Mr. HARRISON. Congressman Burleson, of Texas, introduced the bill this year. We had a letter the other day from Mr. Buckley, chairman of the Committee on Public Works, citing the building and asking what our opinion was, and we wrote a letter to Mr. Buckley in which we urged that he do everything possible to get this enacted this year. We also have written letters to Mr. Jones, who is the chairman of the subcommittee under Mr. Buckley on public works, and I believe to Senator Carl Hayden, chairman of the Joint Committee on Printing. Mr. STEED. Has any decision been made as to where it will be located? Mr. HARRISON. Yes. It would be located adjacent to Building 3 on H Street. It will be a four-story and basement building which will put our paper storage on the floor where the paper is to be used. Our letterpress paper will be on the end of the floor where the letterpresses are, and so forth. It means we can move the paper in our building and not have to touch it except by skid movers. As it is, we have to move it to Franconia and truck it up to Washington. Last winter in the snow we ran short of paper because the trucks could not get in and out of the warehouse in Franconia. SELECTED WORKLOAD AND VOLUME DATA Mr. STEED. I wonder if you could insert for the record a table showing, year by year for about the last 8 years, the volume of requisitions and print orders, the expenditures in total, the congressional printing and binding volume and expenditures and any other pertinent data, including the number of employees and the volume of business contracted out. Do you think you can work out a table like that for us? Mr. HARRISON. Yes, sir. Mr. STEED. You can insert that in the record. (The information requested follows:) Total gross expenditures (including sales of publications program) 1 Based on information developed annually for hearings before the Committee on Appropriations. Mar. 31, 1961 Fiscal year: 1954 1955 1956 1957. 1954 1955. 1956. 1957 95, 644, 677 60, 371, 959 Congressional printing and binding billings for work ordered in fiscal year as of Amount Fiscal year-Continued 1958. $87, 166, 185 1959. 90, 728, 052 1960. 1961 (8 months). Amount $11, 345, 463 11, 200, 019 11, 911, 115 3,989,955 NOTE. With the inception of the revolving fund accounting system in fiscal year 1954, all billings for each fiscal year are based on the orders received during the respective fiscal year. REASON FOR INCREASED APPROPRIATION REQUEST Mr. STEED. In the matter of the deficiency this year, could you give us a little more detail as to why this amount is required, what factors went into causing the deficiency? Mr. HARRISON. Well, the work that Congress required just increased in that amount over and above what we had anticipated. Mr. STEED. Were there any factors like increased paper costs? Mr. HARRISON. No. Our paper costs have been decreasing slightly in the last few years. There is a lot of paper now. For awhile it was very tight, then a lot of mills added to their production capacity so that the paper market has been pretty loose in the last few years. Wages have gone up but our prices have stayed pretty static. QUESTION OF COMPETITIVE PRICES Mr. STEED. Do you think in the prices you charge the departments that you are competitive with commercial costs? Mr. HARRISON. I think we are below, Congressman. Let me say this: A commercial printing plant at some given time will underbid anybody because they have no work, their payroll is going on, their rent is going on, so they will underbid anybody else in order to get a job just to pay the freight. But that is an exception. Maybe next time you give them a job they are higher than anybody else because their workload is heavy and they do not need it. My experience over the last 12 years has shown me that the prices of the Government Printing Office are very favorable to the Government, and indeed I think the printing that we purchase today costs more than it would if we could produce it. We do not intend to produce it all. We would like to keep the ratio where it is. We buy about one-third and we produce about two-thirds. Just as someone said awhile ago when we came in, "You people are working for us this week," because a lot of work has piled up for your committee and the load is very heavy. But I think our prices are lower than commercial prices. OVERTIME Mr. STEED. Do these problems of rush work that come and go present overtime problems for you? Mr. HARRISON. Oh, yes, sir; yes, sir. We would either have to do that or attempt to buy sufficient equipment to be able to produce an anticipated peak on one shift, and we do not believe that is economical. Mr. STEED. Could you give us some indication as to how much overtime annually you are faced with? Mr. HARRISON. For fiscal year 1960 the overtime was $4,629,000. Mr. STEED. Are there any particular times of the year when that problem is more prevalent than others? Mr. HARRISON. Yes; during the session of Congress it is more prevalent than any other time because then we have the "must" work to get out for Congress, which comes first; and then we try to keep up with our obligations to the departments. When Congress is not in session we are able to have a better plan for the use of our personnel so we do not have as much overtime. Mr. STEED. Have you had much complaint about the delay in the work you do for the other departments? Mr. HARRISON. We always have a few, but by and large when an order comes in with a delivery date our estimators and planners can pretty generally tell if it can be done by that date. If they do not think it can be done, then they discuss it with the departments and say, "This is unreasonable. Could you not allow us more time?" Then, of course, if an extra heavy load comes from the Congress we have to work overtime. Mr. STEED. Do you think your leadtime from the receipt of orders to delivery of work is comparable to that of commercial firms? Mr. HARRISON. It is many, many more times better than a commercial plant can give. You must remember a commercial plant has to have some schedule of work. A commercial printer never knows if he will be a low bidder on a Government job, so he must have a fairly steady load of commercial work. So he will not disrupt his commercial work to do the Government work in 2 or 3 days. The Government Printing Office has no customers other than Government customers. CONGRESSIONAL RECORD TO FORMER MEMBERS OF CONGRESS Mr. STEED. I call your attention to Public Law 87-2 of the 87th Congress, which is in regard to the distribution of copies of the Congressional Record to former Members of Congress requesting such copies. The law provides that such copies are authorized to be distributed: To each former Senator, Representative in Congress, Delegate from a territory, or Commissioner from Puerto Rico, upon request to the Public Printer, one copy of the daily. Can you tell us how many former Members of Congress have taken advantage of that law? Mr. HARRISON. Yes, sir. As of April 6 we had received 35 requests. Mr. STEED. That is the first check really on what use of that provision we could expect. Mr. HARRISON. It really has not been very heavy. REVOLVING FUND OPERATION I have nothing in the way of criticism, I might say, Mr. Harrison. I just wanted to have you briefly review the reform which I think you had a hand in, which changed the method of appropriating for the Government Printing Office. Is that true? Mr. HARRISON. Yes; on a revolving fund rather than on a direct appropriation. Mr. HORAN. Briefly, how do you operate on that? Mr. HARRISON. Could I have Mr. Cristofane talk on that? Mr. CRISTOFANE. We have a working capital fund and we operate the same way as a commercial concern would operate. We perform the service by using the working capital fund and we bill the customer for the job after the work is finished and the money is put back in the revolving fund. Mr. HORAN. And we appropriate what each year? Mr. CRISTOFANE. You appropriate each year only for congressional printing and binding and for the Superintendent of Documents and not for the working capital of the Government Printing Office. Mr. HARRISON. This appropriation is for congressional printing that we are talking about this morning. Mr. HORAN. I realize that, and you estimate a basic lump sum of $10 million, but that has not proved adequate the last few years. I notice you had a shortage of $1.7 million in 1959 which we had to appropriate last year and over $3 million this year. Would it satisfy anything if we had a more realistic lump sum? Mr. HARRISON. We had a little meeting on this yesterday in which I asked my staff the same question. It is so difficult to know how much Congress will require in a year. We could ask for an increase to $12 million or $13 million and if we did not use it of course it would go back to the Treasury. Of course if Mr. Mansfield gets his wish this year and Congress adjourns by July 31, it may be that this will be enough. PRINTING OF DUPLICATE BILLS Mr. HORAN. I noted one thing that has happened that I think is very wise. It has happened to me and I am not critical at all. On the House side when we wish to endorse a piece of legislation-and I have done this in two instances by introducing identical bills-there was a time when we printed all the bills that the second person wanted, which was a waste, I think. This year the second bill that I introduced, we wanted to get additional copies and we were informed it was not being done. I assume the Joint Committee on Printing did that? Mr. HARRISON. We did that 3 or 4 years ago. On duplicate bills only the parent bill is printed in full quantity; the others are just token bills. Mr. HORAN. I think that is proper. What I did I thought was proper because they were bills introduced-one was by my colleague Mr. Whitten, of Mississippi, that I thought was a good bill and I wanted to endorse it. Of course, we have a House rule that does not allow us to put our name on a House bill as a joint sponsor if we know about it in time. There was also a bill introduced by my colleague, Mr. Wayne Aspinall, that I thought was a good bill. It affected my district in the mining field, and I wished to endorse it. I do think under certain circumstances it might be wise for us to have the same rule the Senate has. Mr. HARRISON. The Senate does not have the rule against coauthorship of bills. As many people as want to can have their names on the same bill, so you rarely find a duplicate bill in the Senate. Mr. STEED. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. HORAN. I think it is proper that there should not be too much duplication, because it does run into money. Mr. HARRISON. Yes. GPO CENTENNIAL Mr. HORAN. I just have an observation in connection with your centennial celebration. I am not trying to fight the War Between the States again, but it is astounding to me some of the things that happened in the Congress during that sad affair. The Government Printing Office was begun, was it not? Mr. HARRISON. Yes. Mr. HORAN. And Congress in 1862 created the Department of Agriculture, although it was not of Cabinet rank; it was under a commissioner. Within a period of 3 weeks Congress passed the act setting up our land-grant colleges, and they passed the Homestead Act. Mr. HARRISON. They were busy people. Mr. HORAN. Yes. Mr. STEED. And in that same general time they were completing the dome of the Capitol. Mr. HORAN. That is right. Mr. HARRISON. That is interesting. Mr. HORAN. That is all I have, Mr. Chairman. I do want to say that it has been my observation that the Government Printing Office has been under good management during the 8 years Mr. Blatten |