March 31, 1960, and the balance remaining as of April 1, 1960, although, in reality, the expenditures cover only obligations up to the end of January and February 1960, or even earlier in some cases, as a great many of these monthly bills have not yet been submitted for payment and, accordingly, such payments are not reflected on this statement. These figures that is, the amounts allocated-are more or less arbitrary and, if necessary, must be changed from time to time during the fiscal year as conditions may require. It is impossible to forecast at the beginning or, for that matter, during the fiscal year, the exact amount which may be necessary for each allocation. (The statement referred to is as follows:)

DISBURSING OFFICE, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Miscellaneous items, 1960-July 1, 1959, through Mar. 31, 1960

Nonexpenditure transfer authorization No. 594, Aug. 25, 1959-$264,450 from "Miscellaneous items, 1960," to "Stationery (revolving fund).'

Nonexpenditure transfer authorization No. 1751, Dec. 21, 1959- $260,550 from "Miscellaneous items, 1960," to "Stationery (revolving fund).'

NOTE.-Appropriated, Legislative Appropriation Act, 1960 (Public Law 86-176, 86th Cong., Aug. 21,

1959).

Mr. ROBERTS. These allocations will be taken up in their order and explained briefly as follows:

(1) Miscellaneous equipment, supplies and materials, such as hand towels, paper towels, paper cups, toilet paper, soap, cleaning powder, cleaning equipment, and any other miscellaneous articles that may be required.

(1A) Photostatic and duplication work, including Members' identification cards.

(1B) Official blank checks for the use of the Clerk's Office and the Office of the Sergeant at Arms.

(1C) Special office equipment, maintenance and repairs. (1D) News service, judicial books, tax pamphlets, etc.

(2) Newspapers for the Speaker's and Members' lobby. (3) Standard or manual typewriter machines.

(BA) Typewriter repairs (manual).

(4) Ice.

(5) Laundry service, including hand towels, for the House side of the Capitol, and both House Office Buildings.

(6) Covers gratuities, as authorized by the Legislative Appropriation Act of 1955.

(7) Miscellaneous payrolls by House resolutions, payable out of the contingent fund of the House, until otherwise provided by law. (8) Material for folding, in handling speeches, pamphlets, and other necessary work required of the House folding room.

(9) Payment of premiums on official bonds required for the protection of the offices and personnel of the Sergeant at Arms, the Clerk of the House, and Postmaster.

HOUSE RESTAURANT

(10) The House restaurant, for which $65,000 is specifically provided in the appropriation paragraph for payment to the Architect of the Capitol, as authorized by law, toward the upkeep and operation of the House restaurants.

Mr. NORRELL. Are you aware that the restaurants are doing better than your budget shows?

Mr. ROBERTS. No, sir, I have no information on that.

Mr. NORRELL. And that we do not need to provide the full $73,000 you requested this year?

Mr. ROBERTS. Mr. Chairman, I simply have this request from the Architect. The administration is entirely under the jurisdiction of the Architect of the Capitol and I think he can give you a detailed explanation of that. I am not in a position to do so.

Mr. NORRELL. The Architect also testified before us earlier that he is asking for $2,000 that you have heretofore provided for supplies to committees. The Architect advised us of an arrangement with you about supplying committees in the two House Office Buildings with supplies and asked for $2,000 additional for that. There is something you have heretofore been providing? I do not see that you have reflected the reduction in this statement. What is your statement with regard to that? You have been providing that heretofore? Mr. ROBERTS. Yes, Mr. Chairman. The Architect maintained a storeroom for the Clerk of the House to keep the Clerk's supplies. I asked him to take over that duty and perform those duties himself so far as the House Office Buildings are concerned. Now we provide these supplies for the Capitol and we keep those in the Janitor's Office. But, we still require some money for these supplies. The difference is that the Superintendent was the custodian of all of the supplies and he was allotting them for the Clerk's Office, and I just turned over that duty to him. We do not have any supplies over in the House Office Buildings at this time.

Mr. NORRELL. You have not reflected this change in your statement? Mr. ROBERTS. No, we did not refer to it in the statement.

(11) Exchange, operation, and repair of the Clerk's motor vehicle. (12) Exchange, operation, and repairs of the post office motor vehicles.

(13) Exchange, operation, and repairs of the folding room motortruck.

(14) Hire of automobile for the Sergeant at Arms.

(15) Stationery for standing committees, officers, and departments of the House.

(16) Electrical and mechanical office equipment for the Members, including committees, officers, and departments of the House.

(17) Services and repairs to electrical and mechanical office equipment furnished under allocation No. 16.

RENTAL OF OFFICE SPACE IN HOME DISTRICTS

(18) Rental of office space for Members of Congress in their home districts, as provided in the appropriation paragraph.

Mr. NORRELL. How many Members are renting office space in their districts and how much has been spent during the last year? Also, how does that compare with the previous year?

Mr. ROBERTS. It is more, Mr. Chairman, but we can give you those exact figures.

Mr. NORRELL. Very well, insert them in the record.

Mr. ROBERTS. Yes, sir.

(The information requested follows:)

During fiscal 1959, 196 Members rented office space in their districts at a cost of $223,650.97. Up to March 31, 1960, 235 Members rented office space in their districts at a cost of $111,199.36.

EXPENSES FOR HOME OFFICES

Mr. ROBERTS. (19) Official expenses of Members, not to exceed $150 quarterly for office expenses incurred outside the District of Columbia. Mr. NORRELL. I have a similar question on official expenses of Members outside of the Washington area. What is the situation now as compared to a year ago?

My information is that in both cases they are not using all they are entitled to. I am wondering if that is correct?

Mr. ROBERTS. That is correct. For 1959 and 1960 to date 399 Members are receiving this allowance.

OPERATING EXPENSES FOR CLERK'S AUTOMOBILE

Mr. NORRELL. Is this the item under which the Clerk's motor vehicles are operated, and how much is involved for that item, if it is? Mr. ROBERTS. No. The answer to your question is "No." Mr. Chairman, this is not the same item. The Clerk's motor vehicles are paid out of allocation No. 11 in the Miscellaneous Items.

Mr. NORRELL. No. 11?

Mr. ROBERTS. Yes, sir; but for Members office expenses outside of the District of Columbia, they are paid out of item No. 19.

Mr. HORAN. Could I ask some additional questions, Mr. Chairman? Mr. NORRELL. Yes; any time.

Mr. HORAN. How many vehicles do you have?

Mr. ROBERTS. I have two in the Clerk's Office.

Mr. HORAN. What model and year of automobiles are they?

Mr. ROBERTS. One is a Chevrolet truck and one is a 1956 Cadillac

touring car.

Mr. HORAN. 1956? Do you plan to replace them under this budget? Mr. ROBERTS. Well, I have not thought much about it.

Mr. HORAN. How much does it cost to operate and maintain these cars? You have an item of $2,000 in here but you have not spent nearly all of it.

Mr. ROBERTS. I do not think it is that much.

Mr. HORAN. According to your own figures, you have an item here for $2,000 as the amount allocated and the balance of that on April 1, 1960, was $1,292,92.

Mr. ROBERTS. That is for two cars. That means we have spent $707 up to March 31.

Mr. HORAN. What is the salary of the employee who acts as the chauffeur?

Mr. ROBERTS. I have no chauffeur.

Mr. HORAN. You had one on your trip, did you not?

Mr. ROBERTS. That boy lives out in my hometown and he was going home on his vacation and he wanted to ride out there.

Mr. HORAN. So, there is no salary involved here for a chauffeur as such?

Mr. ROBERTS. No, sir.

Mr. HORAN. That is all, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. NORRELL. You may proceed, Mr. Roberts.

Mr. ROBERTS. (20) Government contribution for Federal employees' group life insurance.

(21) Government contribution for civil service retirement fund. (2) Contested election cases.

(23) Former Speaker's automobile.

For the fiscal year 1961 we are requesting an appropriation of $2,650,000, or an increase of $200,000 more than that appropriated for the current fiscal year, 1960. Using the formula suggested by the Bureau of the Budget for the Government's share of the Federal employees' health benefits program, we estimate that the $200.000 will be sufficient. However, if more employees take advantage of this program, of course it will take an additional sum for the Government's share.

I wish again to repeat that all of these allocations are, with certain exceptions, mostly arbitrary, that may be changed upward or downward, depending upon conditions that may arise throughout the full fiscal year. I might further state for the information of the committee that all disbursements made from the appropriation for "Miscellaneous items" must receive my personal approval and also that of the Committee on House Administration.

FORMER SPEAKER'S AUTOMOBILE

Mr. NORRELL. What is the basis for showing $15,000 for Speaker Martin's car in the statement on page 23?

What is the basis for that?

Mr. ROBERTS. That is the result of House Resolution 88 which was passed by the House of Representatives, January 12, 1959.

This is an arbitrary allocation and it is not tied to anything. I dare say that nothing like that much was spent this year.

Mr. HORAN. What items does it cover and what does it not cover? Mr. Chairman, we may not print this, but I think it would be good to have for the information of the committee.

Mr. ROBERTS. I would have to see the resolution.

Mr. HARPER. I will provide it.

Mr. HORAN. Get it now. We need to know what that covers. Mr. Chairman, last year we had a similar item in our bill.

One of these items is in the amount of $15,000 and then you have a $9,500 item for each of the other cars.

Mr. HARPER. The resolution is as follows:

H. RES. 88

JANUARY 12, 1959.

Resolved, That there shall be paid out of the contingent fund of the House, until otherwise provided by law, expenses necessary for the purchase, maintenance, operation and driving of an automobile for the use of any Member of the House who has served as Speaker of the House.

Mr. HARPER. $9,500 is for each of the other automobiles furnished. Those are specific appropriations.

Mr. HORAN. In 1959 you had $16,000 in there among your estimates and we allowed $16,625. I do not think the salary of the chauffeur is in the $15,000 figure.

Mr. HARPER. In the first place, the automobiles that are provided for specifically here carry $9,500 when no new car is contemplated. That includes the maintenance and operation and payment of the chauffeurs as well as the cost of gasoline, oil, maintenance, repair and so forth.

Mr. HORAN. I gathered that, but in 1959 we actually appropriated $16.625 for the Speaker's automobile.

Mr. HARPER. Yes, and I will explain that to you. He contemplated purchasing a new car.

Mr. HORAN. Before you do that I want to tell you why I want you to explain it: We took this item into the full committee and this discrepancy was pointed out.

Mr. HARPER. This was for a new car-the purchase price of a new car-which runs over $10,000.

Mr. HORAN. Well, the Speaker has had a car to trade in.

Mr. HARPER. He had, but Mr. Halleck inherited the former Speaker's car which left the former Speaker without a car.

Mr. HORAN. Well, that is the explanation.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. HARPER. We are talking about the $16,000 which you appropriated for the Speaker's automobile. He has purchased a new car and the $9,500 is the figure that is used for maintenance and upkeep of all the other official automobiles.