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Davis Act as amended. It was necessary to organize hurriedly to do the work: We hired at that time eight employees who had passed the departmental merit test and at salaries classified by the Civil Service Commission, but who were not taken from the Civil Service registers. Since these 8 were placed, 4 others have been appointed making 12 that have been especially trained in the work to be done.

We discussed the matter at the hearings before the Director of the Budget and we discussed it with representatives of the Civil Service Commission, and the new language suggested is to permit us to retain those employees who have become expert in the work to be done.

All other employees that might be taken on, that is, with the exception of attorneys, who are exempt, will be taken from the civil-service registers. But that item should be increased to 12, instead of 8. The number required was given months and months ago, at which time we did not know that language limiting the number would be inserted in the recommendation to Congress. So the number should be 12 instead of 8. Permanent employees for this unit are now being taken from the civil-service registers.


Mr. McMillan. Now, for the fiscal year 1936 there is appropriated $257,000, and for 1937 there is recommended $335,000, an increase of $78,000. I shall ask you to give us the break-down for this increase, and the justification for it.

Mr. SAUNDERS. Yes, sir; I will be very pleased to.

The break-down, of course, appears in the record before you and can be put into the hearings, if you so desire, and we can take those up item by item at your pleasure.


I should first like to point out the items that relate to the library. As you well know, we have come up here for the last several years requesting an increase for the library work. Each year the request has been disallowed, and the work of the library has gone back and back.

The Secretary, when she comes here, will speak on this item, and in addition we have brought with us our librarian, who can explain to you the necessity for the increases in the library staff. Miss Thompson, if you will permit, will tell you something about that.

Mr. Bacon. Are all of these seven new people going into the library?
Mr. SAUNDERS. No, five of them.
Mrs. Kaun. How many did we give you last year? Any?

Mr. SAUNDERS. Yes, two; we asked for seven. I have recently made a comparative study

Mr. Bacon. Of these seven, which ones are going into the library?

Miss THOMPSON. The ones at $2,600, $1,800, $1,620, $1,440, and $1,080, five positions, amounting to $8,540. Four are routine positions, a clerk-typist, a messenger and two minor assistants in the subprofessional service, and there is one increase in the professional staff.

Mr. McMillan. So five of the seven positions requested here will be used for the library, if allowed?

Miss THOMFson. Yes. Three of those, I might say, have been temporarily provided by help assigned from the bureaus, because our



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need has been so great. With the increasing work, due to the big expansion of the Department in the last 3 years, we simply have not been able to get along without additional help.

Perhaps I ought to say that the bureaus are, of course, very much concerned about the situation in the library, because there is in our Department only one library. We do not have any bureau libraries, so that the set-up for the library here represents the total amount allowed for library service for the whole of the Department. Recently the Secretary appointed an inter-bureau committee consisting of the assistant chiefs of the different bureaus or the heads of the research staffs to go into the whole situation of the library. That committee was unanimous in recommending to the Secretary that some relief be given to the library, and following that report three of the five assistants urgently needed were provided for on bureau pay rolls. The funds available in the bureaus did not permit the other two assistants recommended by the committee.

Mr. McMillan. How many employees do you now have in your library?

Miss Thompson. We have 13 regular employees, and then these 3 positions, which are temporarily detailed.

Mr. McMILLAN. How long have you carried these 13 employees?

Miss THOMPSON. We have carried 13 since July. We had two $1,620 positions allowed last year. Before that the staff had been 11 for about 7 or 8 years. You see, there had been an accumulation of work there

Mr. McMillan. But we allowed you two additional employees last year, and now you are coming in and asking for five more?

Miss THOMPSON. There were two allowed out of the seven that we asked for.

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Mr. Bacon. You say that this library is used by all of the bureaus of the Department?

Miss THOMPSON. Yes, sir. It is the only library in the Department, and so must function as a research library for each bureau as well as serve as a general reference library for the departmental offices.

Mr. Bacon. Does the public use it at all?

Miss Thompson. Yes, and it is used very extensively also by other Government agencies. In the last 6 months, our registry book shows that there were 1,093 people from other departments who signed the register in the reference room. Then there are the research bureaus in Washington outside of the Government service and individual investigators and students who use the library a great deal. It is, I believe, generally recognized as the outstanding collection of labor and socialwelfare literature in the country and these problems have become of increased importance.


Mr. McMillan. How many of these employees are now assigned to the library from other bureaus?

Miss THOMPSON. Three.
Mr. McMILLAN. What bureaus are they?

Miss THOMPSON. One is from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, and there is one from the Conciliation Service. How the other one was provided for, I do not know.



Mr. McMillan. How long have they been assigned to you?

Miss THOMPSON. Two of them were assigned during the last fiscal year, and the third one was assigned since July.


Mr. McMillan. How many volumes do you carry over there?

Miss THOMPSON. We have about 185,000 accessioned books and pamphlets in the library, but we have also a large collection of uncataloged material and many thousands of pamphlets. I suppose that the total collection would be in the neighborhood of 200,000 volumes. We have been very strict in the selection of the material and we are constantly weeding out and discarding material, otherwise the collection would have been very much larger. That has been the policy of the Department right along, to limit the library very closely to the field of work of the Department. We take in certain other publications and keep them temporarily, but do not place them in the permanent collection.

Mr. McMillan. What is the percentage of increase in your volumes

per year?

Miss THOMPSON. A few years ago we were cataloging in the neighborhood of 7,000 books and pamphlets a year. The cataloged accessions for the last fiscal year numbered 10,225 and we are letting material accumulate that we are not eataloging.


Mr. Bacon. How much money does the appropriation carry for the purchases of new books and pamphlets?

Mr. SAUNDERS. $4,000, and $500 for the Solicitor's office, which is, of course, for law books. As I recall, and I will correct the figure if I am not right, this amount has been appropriated for several years.

Miss Thompson. The amount allowed for books and pamphlets last fiscal year was $5,000, $4,500 being allotted to the library and $500 to the Solicitor's office. This fiscal year the total is $4,500.

Mr. Bacon. And, out of that $5,000, you have been able to buy 11,000 books and pamphlets?

Miss THOMPSON. We get a very large part of our material by gift and exchange; that has been the way the collection has been built up. In our periodicals, less than one-third are subscribed for. The rest come by exchange.

Mr. McMillan. You are familiar, I assume, with the policy of the committee about these departmental libraries?

Miss THOMPSON. Yes, I am; and perhaps I ought to say here that I am entirely in sympathy with the policy of not making these Department libraries larger than is necessary. They are, however, very valuable collections covering specialized fields of subject matter. I was for some years in the Library of Congress, as an assistant chief of a division; then I organized the Children's Bureau library, later organizing the Department library service, so that I know the library problem in Washington from different angles. I think that the interview with Dr. Putnam recorded in the New York Times over a year ago expressed the right view of these departmental libraries. He described them as specialized collections "which form units outside of the Library of Congress, but which in intimate association and



cooperation with the Library of Congress, form the national library of the United States.” There is this a national library on agriculture, another on labor, a national library of medicine in the Surgeon General's office, and so forth.


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Mr. McMillan. How does your library compare in book volumes with the other departmental libraries?

Miss THOMPSON. It is, of course, much smaller than the library of the Department of Agriculture. It has about the same number of volumes as the library of the Department of State but receives a greater number of current periodicals. Also the personnel of the Department of Labor in Washington is much larger than that of the Department of State although the Labor library has the smaller staff. It is, moreover, open to the public.

Mr. SAUNDERS. I have some figures on that, Mr. Chairman. With the exception of the agricultural library, which has somewhere around 300,000 volumes, ours is second, with one exception, but we want to -stress the point that it is intensively used. The size of the library is not a criterion

Mr. McMillan. Of course not; I recognize that it is not the number of volumes that should govern, but the demands made upon it.

Miss THOMPSON. This is particularly true when you have deliberately limited the collection under the Department's policy of discarding material no longer needed in order to keep it down to a working collection.

Mr. SAUNDERS. May I say at this point, Mr. Chairman, that no human being could have supplied the information that was required by the various bureaus with the force at the disposal of the librarian. It therefore became my duty to say to the bureau heads that if they wanted this information, they would have to supply some help to get it. After considerable controversy they decided that, under the general regulations which permit the transfer of clerks for stated purposes from one bureau to the other, they would make certain assignments to the library to do the necessary work.

As Mr. Lubin's work was heavy, he was persuaded to assign a clerk, and other bureaus were, but they have all served notice that after the end of the year, they cannot afford to carry on that way, that we must either get an appropriation for the library or it will have to get along as best it can.

Mr. McMillan. The very nature of the Department's activities, I assume, will require the use and need of many technical periodicals and books, perhaps, that you do not find in some of the other departments, but at the same time I think you folks are aware of the attitude of the committee on undertaking to build up a great system of libraries in the various departments?

Miss THOMPSON. The great need of the library is an increase for service, for the better utilization of the material that we have, in the way of indexing. It has been possible in the library of the Department of Agriculture, for instance, to do detailed subject indexing of periodical literature, which we have never been able to do with our staff. There is need also of more bibliographical work and the abstracting of new books for the administrative staffs. It is an

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increase in that type of service that we are very anxious to make possible in our library.

You have heard from Mr. Zimmer of the work of the Division of Labor Standards. That has, of course, greatly increased the work of the library, because in all of the problems that they have taken up, they have been calling on the library for the information that is at present available in print so as to utilize it in their work and avoid unnecessary duplication.

Mr. McMillan. All right, Miss Thompson.


Now, with respect to the other two positions provided for here, ono clerk-stenographer at $1,800 and a senior attorney at $4,600

Mr. SAUNDERS. Those are in the office of the Solicitor, and I will ask Mr. Reilly to explain the necessity for each of the positions.

Mr. McMILLAN. All right, Mr. Reilly; will you justify the item covering those two positions?

Mr. REILLY. Yes.

The increase in duties in the office of the Solicitor has been principally due to the amendment last year to the Bacon-Davis Act, the prevailing wage law.

Under the old act, the Secretary of Labor used to make determinations of prevailing wages only in event of a dispute. A special committee of the Senate held extended investigations the last 2 years on kick-backs on Government contracts, and concluded that the law ought to be amended so as to require predetermination for every craft to be employed. The act based on this investigation also broadened the scope of the law so that it covers not only public buildings but also public works, and moreover includes contracts in excess of $2,000, whereas before it only covered those in excess of $5,000, so that almost any repair contract of any size at all now requires a predetermination.

Mr. Bacon. Have you been able to stop that kick-back racket?

Mr. REILLY. We have had only one complaint of kick-back since the new act has been in effect.

Mr. Bacon. I am very glad to hear that.


Mr. McMil LAN. Mr. Reilly, I observe that there is an increase requested for your office of $70,400 for the next fiscal year.

Mr. REILLY. Yes, sir. That is all related to the Bacon-Davis law. At the time that we went before the Bureau of the Budget, the amendment to the act had just recently become effective; that is, the amendment became effective on October 1 and we had to go up to the Budget, I think, in the third week of October, so at that time we were not able to give them any break-down as to the number of employees.

I may say that we did not have any money last year in the appropriation bills for the administrative expenses of the act, but the amendment to the act itself authorized the Department to use emergency funds, and we received an allotment of $100,000 for the current

fiscal year.

Mr. McMILLAN. Have you at this time a break-down showing the number of positions required as a result of this act?

Mr. REILLY. The number of positions in Washington I can give

you, sir.

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