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Connecticut: New Haven: Seamen's Bethel, 61 Water Street. (Woman's Sea

men's Friend Society of Connecticut.) Dr. Leo. W. Simmons, superintendent. Florida: Jacksonville:

Baptist Mission Hotel, 507 East Bay Street. Tampa:

Seamen's Church Institute, 805 Cumberland Avenue. Rev. F. Barnby

Leach, superintendent.
Georgia: Savannah: The Bethel, 307 East St. Julian Street (Savannah Port

Society). Rev. Alfred Shelley, superintendent.
Hawaii: Honolulu: Seamen's Church Institute, Alakea Street. Charles F. Mant,

Illinois: Chicago: Mariners' League, 713 North State Street (Salvation Army).
New Orleans:

Mariners' League, 1600 Baronne Street (Salvation Army).
Norwegian Seamen's Church, 1772 Prytania Street. Rev. Johan

Iversen, superintendent.
Seamen's Bethel, 2218 St. Thomas Street (Affil. Am. S. Fr. Soc.). Capt.

William Lamb, superintendent.
Seamen's Church Institute, 535 Decatur Street. Harold A. Johnson,

Bar Harbor:

Mission House, 24 Ledgelawn Avenue (Maine Sea Coast Missionary

Soc.). Rev. Orville J. Guptill, superintendent.

Portland Soamen’s Bethel Church, 11 Exchange Street (Portland S. Fr.

Soc.). Charles B. Rodway, superintendent.

Emigrant and Seamen's Home, 1308 Beason Street. Rev. F. Giese,

pastor. Norwegian Seamen's Church, 5 South Broadway. Rev. Kaare Helle,

pastor. Seamen's Bethel, Bethel and Aliceanna Streets. Rev. Bert Oakland,

The Anchorage, Seamen's Branch Y. M. C. A. Broadway and Thames

Street. Frank P. Mitchell, secretary.

Boston Seamen's Friend Society, 14 Beacon Street. Rev. Merritt A.

Farren, secretary. *Gardiner E. Thorpe, chaplain at Sailors' Rest, 287 Hanover Street. Mariners' House, 11 North Square (Boston Port and Seamen's Aid So

ciety). Rev. R. E. Bayes, minister; T. F. Manken, superintendent. Mariners' League, 8 East Brookline Street (Salvation Army).

Norwegian Seamen's Mission, 28 Paris Street, East Boston. Charlestown:

Sailors' Haven, 46 Water Street (Affil. S. C. I. of Am.). Stanton H.

King, superintendent.
Philip F. King.

*Mrs. Wallace M. Leonard. Gloucester:

Gloucester Fishermen's Institute, 8 Duncan Street. Rev. George E.

Russell, chaplain. I New Bedford:

Mariner's Home (and Seamen's Bethel), 15 Johnny Cake Hill (New

Bedford Port Society). Rev. C. S. Thurber, chaplain. Quincy:

Sailors' Snug Harbor, 407 Palmer Street. Vineyard Haven:

Vineyard Sound Mission (of the Boston S. Fr. Soc.). Austin R. Tower,

superintendent. Michigan: Detroit: Mariners' Inn, 20 Woodbridge Street West (Episcopal City

Mission). Rev. George Backhurst.
Minnesota: Duluth: The Bethel, 18 Mesaba Avenue (Duluth Bethel Society).

W.J. Grober, superintendent.

New Jersey:

German Seamen's House, 64 Hudson Street. Rev. H. Bruckner, super

Holland Seamen's Home and Immigration Bureau, 334 River Street.

Edward Apol.
Merchant Marine Y. M. C. A., River and Fourth Streets. Fred. L.

Broad, secretary.
New Mexico: Fort Stanton: Seamen's Church Institute of America, United States

Marine Hospital No. 9. Rev. Edward Smith, chaplain.
New York:

Seamen's Home, 55 to 63 Main Street (Seamen's Home Association).

James A. Pickard, superintendent. New York City:

American Merchant Marine Library Association, 45 Broadway. G. E.

Mottla, secretary; R. D. Franklin, librarian. *Mrs. Henry Howard, Pres. r. Paradise Road, Newport, R. I. American Seamen's Friend Society, 72 Wall Street. William Elling,

acting secretary and librarian; Winchester Noyes, president, 17 Battery

Bethelship Merchant Seamen's Branch Y. M. C. A., 56 Sullivan Street,

Brooklyn. C. J. Borden, secretary; C. E. Schuyler, assistant secretary.
British Apprentice Club, 222 West Twenty-third Street. Mrs. H. Č.

Spaulding, manager.
Catholic Seamen's Institute, 651 Hicks Street, Brooklyn (Apostleship

of the Sea). Rev. Alphonse M. Rickert.
Church of the Guardian Angels, Twenty-first Street and Tenth Avenue.

Rev. John J. O'Donnell (club at 485 West 22d St.).
Danish American Seamen's Mission, 193 Ninth Street, Brooklyn.

Rev. A. T. Dorf, pastor.
Evangelical Lutheran Seamen's Mission, 422 West Forty-fourth Street.

Rev. H. Platzer.
Legal Aid Society, Seamen's Branch, r. 510, 11 Park Place. John T.

Little, attorney in charge.
Mariners' Family Asylum, 119 Tompkins Avenue, Stapleton, S. I.

Miss Nellie F. Oxley, superintendent.
Mariners' League of the Salvation Army, 120 West Fourteenth Street.

Maj. Alfred Jackson; Miss Brita Bergh.
New York Bible Society, 5 East Forty-eighth Street. Rev. Millard L.

Robinson, D. D., secretary.
*Charles S. Yates, Marine Dept. c/o S. C. I., 25 South Street. New

York Port Society, 166 Eleventh Avenue. William Patterson,

Norwegian Sailors' Home, 440 Clinton Street, Brooklyn. Mrs. F.

Iverson, manager.
Norwegian Seamen's Church, 33 First Place, Brooklyn. Rev. Leif

Gulbrandsen; Adolf Johannsen.
Sailors' Snug Harbor, New Brighton, S. I. Rev. George E. Green,

Seamen's Church Institute of America, 80 Broad Street. Miss Ruth

W. Talmage, secretary.
Seamen's Church Institute of New York, 25 South Street. Rev. Harold

H. Kelley, superintendent; L. C. Westerman, business manager.
*Rev. Harry J. Pearson, welfare department.
Seamen's Goodwill Mission, 105 Hamilton Avenue, Brooklyn (City

Mission and Tract Society). Rev. Charles Cedarholm. Seamen's House, Y. M. C. A., 550 West Twentieth Street. J. C. Clark,

executive secretary. *Dr. James C. Healey, chaplain. Society for Seamen's Children, office 56 Bay Street, St. George, S. I.

Miss Marguerite Woodin, executive secretary. Sweedish Lutheran Immigrant Home, 6 Water Street. Rev. Axel C. H.

Helander, superintendent; George Helander. United States Public Health Service. Dr. Claude C. Pierce (director

District No. 1), United States Subtreasury Building. *Miss Madeline Oldfield, coordinator of social work, 67 Hudson Street. *Mrs. W. I. Logan, United States Marine Hospital, No. 43 Ellis Island.

*Miss Eleanor Wilson, United States Marine Hospital No. 21, Stapleton,

S. I.
National Council Y. M. C. A., 347 Madison Avenue, Army and Navy

Department, George E. Stock; Transportation Department, George

Roper, secretary; *J. F. McTyier, assistant secretary.
Seamen's Section, Welfare Council of New York, 44 East Twenty-third

Street. Miss A. A. Buffington, secretary; R. L. MeAll, member

legislative committee. Ohio: Cleveland: Central Y. M. C. A., Twenty-second Street and Prospect

Avenue. E. V. Rasmussen, secretary: Oregon: Portland: Pacific Protective Society, office r. 815 Dekum Building.

W. G. MacLaren, general superintendent (per William A. Brown), Portland

Commons, Annex No. 2, 146'2 First Street.
Mariners' Church, 332 South Front Street. (Seamen's and Landsmen's

Aid Society). Rev. George E. Lee.
Mariners' League, 701 North Broad Street. (Salvation Army). Lt. Col.

James Harvey.
Norwegian Seamen's Church, 22 South Third Street. Rev. John

Seamen's Church Institute of Philadelphia, 211 South Walnut Street

Rev. Percy R. Stockman, superintendent and chaplain.
Rhode Island: Newport: Seamen's Church Institute, Market Square. Rev. Roy

W. Magoon, superintendent. South Carolina: Charleston: Harriott Pinckney Home for Seamen, East Bay

and Market Streets. (Affil. S. C. I. of America). Rev. Wallace Martin,

superintendent. Texas: Galveston:

Adoue Seamen's Bethel, 1914 Avenue D. J. R. Sarner, superintendent.

Norwegian Seamen's Mission, Eighteenth and D Streets.

Seamen's Church Institute of Houston, 1910 Seventy-fifth Street.

J. L. Taylor.
Port Arthur:

Seamen's Church Institute, 136 Proctor Street. Charles W. Hughes,

manager. Virginia: Norfolk: Navy Y. M. C. A., 130 Brooke Avenue. James W. Gainfort,

executive secretary. Washington: Bremerton:

Navy Y. M. C. A., Navy Yard. Sam Chollar, secretary.

Seamen's Y. M. C. A., 1601 Western Avenue. George Upton, secretary.
Seattle Seamen's Home, 107 Columbia Street. (Norwegian Luthern

Church of America).
Y. M. C. A., 714 Market Street. C. J. Shaw, general secretary.

Canada (by Provinces and cities)
British Columbia:

St. Vincent's Home and Shelter, 853 East Pender Street. Rev. A. F.

Carlyle (to plan a Catholic home for seamen).
Seamen's Institute, 1121 West Hastings Street (missions to seamen).

Rev. J. W. Leighton, B. A., chaplain.
Vancouver Sailors' Home, 500 Alexander Street (British Sailors' Society).

James Johnstone, superintendent.
Victoria: Connaught Seamen's Institute, 106 Superior Street (British Sailors'

Society). Hibbert, manager.
New Brunswick:
St. John:

Catholic Seamen's Institute, Union Square.
Seamen’s Institute, 150 Prince William Street (British Sailors' Society).

T. Fred. Miller, manager.
Newfoundland: St. Johns: King George V. Institute, Water Street (Y. M. C. A.).

Nova Scotia:

Halifax: Halifax Sailors' Home, Harrington and South Streets (Navy League

of Canada).
North Sydney: Sailors’ Institute (British Sailors' Society).

Sydney: Sailors' Home, Dominion Street (Navy League of Canada).

Hamilton: Y. M. C. A., James and Jackson Streets. C. L. Brown, secretary.
Kingston: Sailors' Institute, Barrack and King Streets (Upper Canada

Tract Society).
Port Arthur: Royal Arthur Sailors’ Institute, 4 Water Street (Upper Canada

Tract Society). Rev. William Hall, manager.
St. Catherines: New Welland Canal Mission (Upper Canada Tract Society).

James Judson, missionary, r. 162/2 Geneva Street.

Navy League of Canada, 165 Lake Shore Boulevard.
Toronto Sailors' Home, 77 Carlton Street.
Upper Canada Tract Society, 406 Younge Street. George Murray
Speedie, superintendent, also operates the Sailors' Rest, Queen's


Catholic Sailors' Club, 329 Common Street. Prof. William H. Atherton
Montreal Sailors' Institute, 352 Place Royale. J. Ritchie Bell, super-

intendent. *Miss Gladys H. Bates.
Norwegian Seamen's Church, 105 Commissioner Street. Andor Hagen.

Catholic Sailors' Club, 80 to 86 Champlain Street. J. S. Matte, presi

Seamen's Institute, St. Andrews Street (British Sailors' Society).

J. Miller, superintendent.
The CHAIRMAN. Is Mr. Stanley Hiller here?
Mr. HILLER. Yes, sir.



The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Hiller, you are president of the Pacific Coast Fisheries' Institute, are you?

Mr. HILLER. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. I have a note that you wished to be heard.

Take a seat at the table, opposite the committee reporter. What have you to tell us for the good of the cause?

Mr. HILLER. I have just heard your labor spokesman say what a fine thing it would be to have the plan you have had since 1936 to help American seamen.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes; Do not forget, however, we are going to hear both sides.

Mr. HILLER. The pendulum swings both ways sometimes, you know.

The CHAIRMAN. Both ways at almost the same time.

Mr. Hiller. I think you are right. I happen to have started in the industry some 15 years ago—in the fish business. That business has risen to be one of California's largest natural resources; but because you were so generous to labor it is today out of business, and it is out of business because labor took the reins and ran the ships. We do not say the law did it, but labor just took the reins and the law lost control. There are seven ships now tied up and probably will never get back into service again, representing some 8 or 10 million dollars of money invested.

The CHAIRMAN. Do you mean to say that as a result of the laws enacted those ships are now tied up?

Mr. HILLER. Well, I won't ascribe it to the law, but to the freedom of the sea as viewed in connection with certain laws by certain labor leaders—for instance, Mr. Bridges' union in San Francisco. That is what he controls, and all the unions combined picked on us to the point where they raised the cost of labor from something like $6,500 a month to $18,000 a month. And then for overtime, after doing their regular work, with three shifts of men on the ships, became so high this last year, that is last fall, that we finally all closed down. The overtime amounted to as much money as the men got by way of salaries, which were twice as high as ordinary seamen had gotten, some hundred dollars a month for ordinary seamen, and from that on up.

The demands that were made by each union, backed by this organization, finally made it necessary for us to stop altogether.

The CHAIRMAN. Was that because of the wages they demanded, or did they have certain other demands to make that you could not meet?

Mr. HILLER. It is an interesting thing, that it is not always the wages you pay these man, but it is the amount of work they do for the wages. They are not doing half as much work with three times as much wages.

The CHAIRMAN. The fact that you are here is evidence that you want to tell us what is wrong and who is to blame or what is to blame.

Mr. HILLER. I am here because we are looking for other fields to conquer. We have to give up that business, after I have spent a lifetime at it, because of labor conditions. The control of labor has been given to people who exploit labor. I belonged to two unions, myself, when I was young; but just the minute that you make it possible for a man to collect money from other men and run those men, you are not going to have any peace in the United States.

I am referring now to the Wagner Labor Act. How about the fellow who does not want to belong to the union? Apparently he is the forgotten man. I joined the union because I had to. I had to work when I was young.

I was an electrician, and I found that if I did not join the union I could not work. After I got into the union I wanted to go further; I wanted to be more than an electrician, and I could not do that unless I gave up the union. In other words, I could not carry on a trade or business and be better than the other fellow; and you cannot do that in the union today. If you join a union you are then just a sailor or a fireman or an oiler or a wiper, and you stay there. The chances of getting out are very small. But when a man is free he can get out of the forecastle or the engine room and go further. But he cannot do it as long as he is in the union.

The CHAIRMAN. Is it your contention that the union should be abolished?

Mr. HILLER. No, sir. The union should not demand a right to force a man to join the union. That is where the wrong comes in.

The CHAIRMAN. You are opposed to the closed-shop idea?
Mr. HILLER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. You want the individual to be free to belong to this union or that union or no union, just as he pleases?

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