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invention for a cure for cancer?” My answer is that invention will take care of itself. I think the Government could well afford to give the inventor a billion dollars if he cures cancer. I believe society would be perfectly willing to make that deal. That is something one doesn't have to worry about in the patent bill.

Senator SCHMITT. Mr. Rabinow, in about 5 minutes, I will have to go vote. So if you could complete your testimony, and then I will be able to dismiss the panel and we can all have lunch.

Mr. RABINOW. It is very hard to discuss a patent system, with which you've worked so hard for so many years, in 5 minutes.

First of all, I believe the U.S. patent system is much better than the foreign systems. I don't believe in the "first to file.” I think that it is a mistake to change to that system. The fact of the matter is that we've done very well with over 100 years of our system, and Europe has not done as well. And the inventors I spoke to—and I spoke before large groups of them in Europe and Asia-all say that our system is better than theirs. They would like to work under our system. It does lead to interferences, which are a big pain in the neck, but the interference procedures can be speeded up. There are regulations that could be changed so the interference could be resolved quickly.

The problems of interference procedures are not a good reason to abandon our patent system just because it is a little cheaper to use the other system. And that is the only argument—that the "first to file” is cheaper for the Patent Office. It is not cheaper for the country. I don't believe that running to the Patent Office with every trivial invention to get in first makes any sense, and this is what they do in Europe. And they keep their mouths shut; they don't talk to their associates; they don't talk to their own families, because if they do, somebody will hear of what you're working on and immediately invent the same thing. Or if he has an idea like it, he will run to the Patent Office and win a patent case because he was there first.

I think this is basically not good. It doesn't work well, contrary to some popular conceptions.

Second, I would like to talk about the quality of the patent system. I agree with Mr. Lodge that we should have more examiners and better examiners. The fact is that our "take" from foreign licensing alone, I'm not talking about imported equipment: I'm talking about imported dollars on what we license to foreigners-is over a billion dollars a year. I don't know the figures for internal taxes. I know what they were for people like Mr. Lemelson and myself—I know that the taxes are heavy.

I would like to see a change in the Internal Revenue forms, not in the tax laws, that would report royalties—U.S. royalties and royalties from foreign countries. The present income tax form does not distinguish royalties on patents from royalties from music and books, and nobody knows what the patent royalties are. If the Internal Revenue would change its forms, we would know finally what the Patent Office earns for the U.S. Government. Computers could easily break out this information and you would know for once that the Patent Office is much more than self-supporting in actual dollars. And I'm not talking about cross-licensing or anything else of that kind.

I would like to agree that the courts' procedures are terrible. This, in spite of the fact that none of my 215 were ever held invalid. I've never sued anybody. I'm not as pessimistic about justice of the system. I think that the patents that get into court are not a sign of weakness or of the strength in a patent. When it goes to court, according to Professor Kayton, who is a Professor of Patent Law at George Washington University, it is when the royalties are very much larger than the cost of the suit. It has nothing to do with the weakness or strength of the patent. In other words, if you're going to pay $2 million in royalties and it's going to cost you $50,000 or $100,000 to test the validity in court, you will go to court, particularly if you've got an even chance.

Very few cases go to court, as was said earlier. I think that if the inventor is reasonable, he may have to take less royalties than he otherwise would get. But that is no different from any other business.

I do believe that all validity cases should be tried in the CCPA. They should not be tried by courts all over the country. I think it is a tragedy that you can win nine cases and lose the last one and lose your patent. I think that this should stop. And it would stop if it were tried in one court.

I do not believe in opposition proceedings because they do not work. What happens in opposition proceedings is this: You are getting a patent, and I know you're going to get it. I know that I can easily come in and destroy it. I will keep my mouth shut because as long as I don't compete with you until later, there's no reason for me to destroy your patent. I am perfectly willing to let you have it, so that other people stay out of the business. And when, finally, I decide to go into the same business, I will come to you and say, “You know, Mr. Schmitt, I have some evidence that your patent is not really as good as you say, but I'm a nice guy and you're a nice guy, and we don't want to go to court. How about a cross-license?” And you look at my new evidence and you say, “You know, you've got a point there," and you give me a cross-license, and we keep third parties out of it. This is exactly what happens in many of the countries that have opposition proceedings. The general idea is, if my evidence is really good, it can always be used later. There is no requirement that it be brought in as the patent is being issued. Therefore, if you're not going to use the patent, why bother? It costs money to come in with evidence, and who wants to read 60,000 patents a year to see what is new and old about them. I look over the patents issued every week, and I would be damned if I would come in with opposition just because I know some of the patents are invalid. If I'm not interested in the business, I will just keep my mouth shut. I can always use that argument later if I must.

I do like the idea of reexamination. If I'm going to fight you on validity, I think that it should first go back to the Patent Office by court order, and not because I want to annoy anybody. The court should say, “This is worth looking into. We have some new evidence.” The Patent Office should look it over again and be required to give a decision within a year, and then the court can settle whatever differences there are left. This is the way I would like to treat it.

I feel that American technology is dying. I think it is in terrible condition but not for the reasons stated earlier today. It isn't because the courts are tough or the patent system isn't working. I think the management of our large businesses is very bad. I can give you evidence. Here is an article about the organization man (Newsweek, June 18) that says they checked 3,600 top management people, and they find that, as you would expect, they are WASP's, they're fathers of families, and other such blah details, but they do not like innovation. They do not like new things. These are too risky.

My experience with industry supports this. I'm sorry that I don't have time to give you examples. I would love to give you several cases. Our American technical industry, by and large, now is run by bookkeepers and not engineers. Commander MacDonald, the man who founded Zenith, is dead. People like this are very rare now. There is still Mr. Land at Polaroid and a few others. Most of our industries now are run by people who don't give a damn about the technical products which they produce or the service they render. All they care about is the “bottom line.”

Some time after I licensed Harman-Kardon for my record player and talked to the manager, I said, “Why don't you build a new model that plays both sides of the record; you have a good patent on it.” And he said: “Jack, it will take 3 years to develop it; we are owned by Beatrice Foods; they own 400 companies; we never meet the management; I will lose my job if I start innovating and developing something new; I have to show profit every year, and the best way to do it is to make few changes.”

Harman-Kardon was just sold to a Japanese company, and now my record player will be built in Japan. This means that it will have the name of Harman Kardon but all of the equipment will be built in Japan. My record player invention is now also built by Bang and Olufsen in Denmark and Revox in Switzerland. The basic patent expired and now many companies will be building it next year. I understand all high-fi fancy record players will be built under my expired patent. I'm very proud of this. I have no regrets. The only thing I do regret is it is not being built in the United States. It is being built in Japan. [The statement follows:]

STATEMENT OF JACOB RABINOW My name is Jacob Rabinow. I was born in Russia. I was educated in the schools of New York and received two degrees in Electrical Engineering from the City College of New York. I have been working in Washington since 1938. At the present time, I am a part-time employee of the National Bureau of Standards. I retired from fulltime Government service in 1975, after having spent some 20 years in Government service and roughly an equivalent time in industry. I am an inventor who has been granted 215 U.S. patents. Another two or three patents have been recently allowed and there are some still pending. I also hold perhaps 100 patents in foreign countries.

Of my U.S. patents, about 57 were assigned to the Government and another 10 were partially licensed to the Government and I retained certain commercial rights. Of the rest, 18 were assigned to clients for whom I was a consultant and 128 are owned by me or by companies which I headed and which eventually became parts of other corporations.

The fields of technology in which I have patents are ordnance, computer equipment, Post Office automation, photography, sound recording and reproduction, ho

rology (clocks and watches), electrical and mechanical equipment of all types, and some labeled “Miscellaneous."

I was asked to speak today by Mr. William C. Gibb, Minority Staff Counsel for Senator Schmitt, and Mr. Steve Merrill of Senator Stevenson's staff. I was particularly asked to comment about the Bill, S-1215, that deals with Government ownership of patents, to express some general comments about the patent system of the United States and to relate some of my personal experience with it. I was told that I would have 15 minutes for my initial presentation and, hopefully, will have an opportunity to answer questions. I would like to make two comments bout the invitation to speak here today.

One is that it is impossible to say much in 15 minutes about a subject that has been my primary interest for some 60 years. Secondly, everything I say here represents my personal opinions and in no way should be taken to mean that I am speaking for the National Bureau of Standards or for anyone else. My talk was not reviewed or approved by anyone else and I can only hope that my opinions do not disagree seriously with those of the management of the National Bureau of Standards—an organization and people for whom I have the greatest respect.

In general, I agree with the spirit and wording of Senate Bill 1215. I think it is high time that the Government come to grips with the realities of the real world which may use the technologies developed directly by the Government or under its sponsorship.

No single set of rules can apply to all Government patents. Obviously, patents on weapons and on atomic energy have to be treated differently from patents on ordinary machinery, patents in agriculture, or patents in drugs. "Free license" policies may well operate in the field of agriculture where no farmer can have a large share of the market and where he cannot afford to do basic research that affects the whole industry. Such patents have to be treated differently from patents on my magnetic particle clutch that would have taken $1,000,000 for development and which did not get full development because no one was able to obtain an exclusive license.

I agree with the proposed bill that the Government should issue exclusive licenses wherever possible and the only criticism I have of the bill is that the granting of such licenses is made more or less permissive. I am afraid that a timid Government bureaucrat would prefer to take the easy and, for him, the safe route of not issuing exclusive licenses so as not to be accused of “Government give away.” I would prefer to see the law strengthen so that the granting of exclusive licesses could be the normal and easy procedure and not granting exclusive licenses would require strong justification.

There is an implication in the bill that the Government may collect royalties and fees on Government-granted patent licenses. I think this is unnecessary and counterproductive. The Government is not a private company; it collects taxes on more than half of the profits. In addition, any profits made on the invention result in taxes not only to the Federal Government but to State and city Governments also. There are also taxes on wages, on dividends, etc., and I believe that because of this it is unnecessary to go to the trouble of contracts, inspections, bookkeeping, and other legal difficulties in royalty collections. The collection of taxes is much more straightforward and is well organized and accepted. I cannot help but express the thought that I would be very happy to take half of the profits made on any of my inventions in lieu of royalties, particularly when this profit sharing will run not for the length of the patent grant but for the full life of the corporation and, in fact, will apply to all inventions and develpments made as a result of my invention by others and for all eternity.

The experience with Government-owned patents has, in general, been disastrous. One needs only to cite the history of the patents owned by enemy aliens during World War II. These were taken over by the U.S. Government and made available free to all. The 15,000 patents involved "died on the vine.” It should be remembered that these were highly valued industrial patents obtained by the Germans and others over a period of years, many of which protected very profitable products.

I need not mention that the U.S. Government now owns some 28,000 patents and their exploitation has not been profitable, either to the Government or to our nation as a whole. When considering patents owned by the Government, the question is not “Who should have it?" or "Who owns it?'' but rather, “What will happen to the technology?"

I have often heard arguments that, at least in the case of Government owned patents, they should be made free to everyone because then their use would be assured and widespread. If this argument is correct, then one cannot justify the existence of any patent system at all. One could the argue that no patent should ever be issued, that results of inventions should be made free to everyone, and that the inventor should be rewarded in some other way as, for example, by special honors, awards from the Government and/or industry, and so on. It is a curious fact that the patent system, as we know it, was first put into practice in Venice in 1474 and has since been adopted by all the nations of the world with the present exception of only China. Even communist countries like Russia and others have a system that reward inventors and yet a Department of Justice attorney once told me that patents are unnecessary. When I related the above history, he told me that the whole world was wrong.

The other subject I was asked to comment on today was the general question of the value of patents and particularly the U.S. patent system. I must repeat that my time here for even a cursory discussion is much too short but I will try to be as brief as I can. The U.S. patent system is unique in that the inventor is the kingpin of the system. The first one to invent wins the patent, not the person who gets to the Patent Office first, as is true in all the rest of the world. This does lead to some difficulties in "interferences” when more than one person applies for a patent on

twice. While interferences are costly and sometimes lengthy, they do not occur too often and procedural changes could and should be made in the system by which interference should be kept to a minimum and resolved promptly. This is the only serious, basic, criticism I have of the U.S. patent system.

Our patent system suffers from some other difficulties. One is that the “arts” are getting much more involved and the examination of the technologies much more difficult. There are some 10,000,000 patents that have to be searched, to say nothing of the staggering amount of technical literature that may be pertinent. The arts are more difficult to search not only because of quantity but because new inventions are very often related to many old inventions in many diverse fields. Therefore, the searching requires more expertise and more time. This leads to the simple and inevitable conclusion that the staff of our Patent Office should be increased, both in quantity and quality; that is, the training required should be higher and the number of examiners should be much greater. It is amazing that they do the job as well as they do with the means at hand today. That this increase of quantity and quality will cost money is beyond question, but is should be remembered that Government taxes, as a direct result of patents, are many times greater than the cost of the Patent Office. For example, the income from licensing our technologies to foreign countries, alone, brings to the United States an income which has been estimated to be between one and two billion dollars. There are no statistics on the amount of internal royalities but if one assumes that most of this money is taxed roughly 50% by the Federal Government, and even if one disregards cross-licenses, the direct returns of cash to the Government are many times greater than the possible cost of the patent system. Moreover, since many people, including myself, think that the patent system is of direct benefit of our society as a whole and the increase in productivity and technology helps us to maintain our high standards of living, then no one should quibble about the cost of the patent system as it exists today or the increased cost of a still better organization.

It would be very useful to all discussion of our patent system if the Internal Revenue Service could make a slight change in the income tax form so that income from royalties on patents should be reported on a separate line, or preferably two lines—one for domestic patents and one for foreign patents. Then, computer printouts could tell use the amounts of royalties collected and taxes paid on these. It is time we stop guessing.

There have been proposals made that the patent examination and searching should be computerized. Somehow or other computers are to be substituted for human brains to see where my invention is similar to or different from the invention of others. I have been involved in computer work as an engineer and in studies involved with the Patent Office. I think the dream of using computers to do the intelligent part of the patent search and evaluation is basically nonsense. Computers can be used for rapid retrieval of patents when you know their numbers or the name of the inventor; they can be used to produce copies when necessary and, in general, reduce the “leg work” involved, but the judgment of concepts is not in the computer's power, and the judgment of concepts is what inventions and the patent systems are all about.

The patent system of the United States is also in very serious trouble because of the procedures in our courts and the cost of litigation. Patents are often tried in courts before judges and juries which have not technical training whatever. Important decisions have to be made on infringements or on the validity of a patent where the technology is subtle, and the questions involved would cross the eyes of

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