Mrs. HARDEN. Do you perform any program functions for other services, a program on oil, gasoline?

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. No, sir. Purchases were small.

SUPPLYING ALAMEDA MEDICAL TEST

Mrs. HARDEN. On June 30, the Army took over the medical supply function on the west coast. Did that affect medical stores at Clearfield?

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. They were already here in warehouses assigned to the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery.

Mrs. HARDEN. Do the medical supplies go straight to Oakland or to Alameda?

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. Either one.

Mrs. HARDEN. Which one, do they go to both? The test run is at Alameda, do they go from here to Oakland or direct?

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. They go direct, do they not Mr. Denney? Mr. DENNEY. They go direct.

SPACE UTILIZATION

Mr. ROBACK. Referring to the statement contained in the question and answer brochure, in relation to the answer, I wonder if you would elaborate on the answer, since it appears you would have adequate space for storage of Army and Air Force stocks. The storage situa tion as of 31 July 1952, indicates that 54 percent of the space allocated to the Bureau of Supplies and Accounts is occupied. It would appear that you could stock and issue material for the Army and Air Force. STATEMENT OF COMMANDER F. E. JOHNSTONE, SUPPLY CORPS, USNR, CONTROL DIVISION OFFICER, NAVAL SUPPLY DEPOT

Commander JOHNSTONE. I will elaborate since I answered that question. The three principal services do not use the same stock numbers for the same items, therefore, the Air Force might request a broom by the Air Force stock number, but the Navy would not have it by that particular number. We have a problem in that respect. Ultimately if it was under one stock number the Navy could easily stock it, check the one stock number coming in from a particular source, and there would be only one stock number for the three serv ices. We don't even approach using the same forms where requisitions are concerned, or the same method of requisitioning. That also had its bearing in answer to that question. If we tried to issue anything under the existing circumstances at the present time we would have to be set up to handle three different sets of stock numbers.

Mr. BONNER. Along this line, is there any reason why the Air Force. Army, and Navy could not have the same stock number for similar items?

Commander JOHNSTONE. There is no good reason at all.

Mr. HOLIFIELD. The committee is interested in the Federal cataloging program. We have approximately 2,000 people employed back there by the Munitions Board, and we are surprised that there is not more enthusiasm at this activity.

Commander JOHNSTONE. We are enthused. The work for general stores material is being done in the General Stores Supply Office at Philadelphia, on an active basis.

Mr. HOLIFIELD. The results of their work will be applied to this level?

Commander JOHNSTONE. Yes, sir.

NEED FOR UNIFORMITY OF FORMS AND PROCEDURES

Mr. WARD. The last report made by this subcommittee recommended uniformity with respect to forms, procedures, and so forth. Are you in accord with that?

Commander JOHNSTONE. Yes, sir; very definitely.

RESPONSIBILITY OF DEPOT COMMANDER

Mr. WARD. We were in Bayonne over a year ago, and while there we talked to the officer in charge of the depot. We asked what control he had over the stock that came in, and the stock that went out. What is the situation here?

Commander JOHNSTONE. We are practically in the same position as the Utah General Depot. The supply demand control point controls movement in and in most instances movement out. Ships parts for the naval supply depot are received from the ships parts control center (a supply demand control point), which is a component of Naval Supply Depot, Mechanicsburg, for all repair parts for ships, big and little. They send in to us at Clearfield stocks which our stock reports indicate are necessary to carry out the mission of this base. Other activities and consumer ships in the fleet merely send their requisitions direct to us. This is the prime issuing point west of the Mississippi River and the only issue function that is handled on this basis through our depot. Everything else is sent to us at their direction (supply demand control point), and issued out only on their

order.

Mr. WARD. The point I want to make is-you don't have control of the shipping function?

Commander JOHNSTONE. That is right.

Mr. WARD. Do you handle material for the Army and Air Force? Commander JOHNSTONE. That would be one advantage only for the existing differences in stock numbers.

Mr. WARD. You are able to serve them as well as the Navy?

Commander JOHNSTONE. We could carry forward if all services. did have stock number unification. The ideal thing would be if all services had the same stock numbers for the same material we could issue to any other service and they could do the same identical thing for us.

UTILIZATION OF SPACE

Mr. ROBACK. You have 54 percent of utilization of your warehouse capacity?

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. Fifty-four percent general stores only. On an over-all basis the utilization is closer to some 80 percent at the present time.

Mr. ROBACK. I refer to the Bureau of Supply and Accounts. You are handling almost 90 percent as indicated in the brochure (Appendix I, p. 3). Figures for other bureaus from 52 percent up to 80 percent for BuShips now occupying space.

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. A lot is being reserved for known incoming stock. The 54 percent may change next week to 65 percent. We buy seasonally and are in the midst of the canning season.

RESERVES OF NAVY CLOTHING

Commander JOHNSTONE. Another case that is interesting-the Bureau of Supplies and Accounts have a Navy clothing prgoram. We were taken out of distribution on clothing now we are back into clothing. We are building up four storehouses completely filled with Navy clothing. A year ago only 20 percent of the space was occupied. Full allocations were based on known in-bound movements.

Mr. ROBACK. Are those reserve stocks?

Commander JoHNSTONE. Yes, sir, nothing else but.

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. The naval clothing factory in Brooklyn directs shipments to us and then we ship to Oakland as required for use on vessels by the fleet. We are much closer to Oakland.

Mr. ROBACK. I suggest the relevant portions of this information be incorporated in the record of this meeting.

Mr. BONNER. We did not bring our reporter along, Admiral Gillilan, and we would appreciate it very much if we may have a copy of the record of this meeting when the record has been prepared.

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. Yes; we shall be glad to take care of it.
Mr. HOLIFIELD. Are you familiar with the medical tests at Alameda?
Commander JOHNSTONE. Only superficially.

Mr. HOLIFIELD. You have no opinion of its success?
Commander JOHNSTONE. No, sir.

Mr. HOLIFIED. Are the storage of medical supplies at this depot a bulk reserve operation?

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. The medical stocks held here are on the books at Oakland and they control movement of that material.

Mr. HOLIFIELD. Do you see any reason why the tests would not be successful?

Commander JOHNSTONE. Not offhand.

One item that will be of interest to you from the standpoint of stock number simplification, which is a big thing in the Navy. It deals with bearings. Up until approximately a year ago the individual bureaus of the Navy were responsible for stocking their own bearings for their own particular equipment, under their own stock numbers. Ninety percent of the bearings were found to be interchangeable. The bearings are now controlled by the General Stores Supply Office and stock numbers are uniform.

Mr. HOLIFIELD. That is encouraging. One thing we learned from the Hoover report was the extensive duplication of stock numbers for the same material.

Commander JoHNSTONE. Every manufacturer used to have their own stock numbers.

Mr. HOLIFIELD. You are gradually finding these different stock numbers and combining the stock physically. Then when you reorder you are eliminating the reordering of duplicate numbers.

Mr. WARD. After eliminating the nonstandard numbers in your stock how do you reorder that number, by cross reference? Commander JOHNSTONE. That is right.

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. It is part of the function of our Technical Division through their research library to clear up Navy stock numbers and make appropriate cross reference.

Mr. HOLIFIELD. Referring to our discussion on the bearings, is that bearing packaged and identified by the new naval stock number, or by the manufacturer's old number?"

Commander JOHNSTONE. It is repacked and renumbered by the new number.

Mr. HOLIFIED. Are there any objections from the suppliers? Commander JOHNSTONE. No, sir. By having a standard stock number any activity's business could be spread out.

Mr. HOLIFIELD. It certainly simplifies things.

Mr. BONNER. Any further questions?

REPORTER. No questions.

Mr. BONNER. Thank you very much Admiral, we didn't know that we would be received so graciously and we certainly appreciate it. Rear Admiral GILLILAN. Thank you, Mr. Bonner, and now we have arranged a tour of the depot for you and your party.

Mr. BONNER. That is fine but we will not get out of the automobile, we will just drive around the depot. We will not be able to go into the storehouses.

Rear Admiral GILLILAN. Very well.

(Whereupon the hearings were officially closed.) (Ogden exhibits 2 and 3 follow :)

OGDEN EXHIBIT 2

UNITED STATES SUPPLY DEPOT CLEARFIELD, OGDEN, UTAH

QUESTION AND ANSWER PAMPHLET

Question. What is the Navy supply-management system?

Answer. To make accessible vast quantities of material required to supply the Navy, Bureau of Supplies and Accounts, under the direction of the Secretary of the Navy, and in cooperation with other Navy Bureaus, has established stocks of material at various continental and extracontinental activities. These may be activities whose prime mission is supply, or supply departments of activities with other primary missions. Stocks of the larger supply points are generally replenished by supply-demand control points. These larger supply activities replenish the stocks of the smaller supply points. Material under the cognizance of all Bureaus is channeled through their supply outlets. Bureau of Supplies and Accounts has complete responsibility, exercised through the Bureau or a supply-demand control point. Material is broken down into two major accounts: (1) a revolving fund, the Naval stock fund, in which common items in common demand throughout the Navy are procured and actually sold to the requiring activities, charging appropriated funds; and (2) the other broad category of material, which is the appropriation purchase account. They are appropriated funds, and material carried in that account has been paid for by the purchasing activity, one of the Navy Bureaus. These are generally the two accounts in which we carry material. The former is a continuing revolving fund, including general stores, inclusive of clothing. The other is the appropriation purchase account, which are the appropriated funds of the various Bureaus, and from which the procurement of special materials, such as automobiles, equipments, and so forth, are procured as direct charges to the appropriations. In both accounts there is an accounting both by the Bureau of Supplies and Accounts and its field activities.

1. Navy supply-management system

Question. What is the inventory value of stocks in store at Naval Supply Depot Clearfield? How many items?

2. Inventory value of stocks in store at Naval Supply Depot Clearfield, and number of items

Question. What was the value of issues made by Naval Supply Depot Clearfield during the past year?

Answer. During the fiscal year 1952 the value of issues made by this depot was as follows:

Question. Are items in store similar to items carried by the Army Quartermaster?

Answer. It is estimated that of the general-store material in store, approximately 90 percent is similar to items carried by the Army Quartermaster. 4. Percentage of items in store similar to Army Quartermaster stock Question. Are any cross-servicing agreements in effect locally?

Answer. The following cross-servicing agreements are in effect locally:

Current

INSTALLATION

Hill Air Force Base..

PURPOSE

Remove pits from grinding ways on external grinding machine.

For services of one teletype maintenance technician to inspect and make necessary repairs to teletype equipment.

Naval Supply Depot Clearfield. To make available to the Department of

Fort Douglas---

Hill Air Force Base.

the Army 240,000 gross square feet of general-duty covered storage space. For the collection of garbage and the removal of snow from the thoroughfares in the naval officers' quarters area at Fort Douglas.

For chemical laboratory professional services and analyses requested by this depot. For the processing of exposed photographic material.

To perform emergency repairs on one electric cipher machine as requested.

Naval Supply Depot Clearfield___ Utilization of 120,000 gross square feet of

covered storage space at Naval Supply Depot Clearfield for temporary storage of special Air Force program materials for a period not to exceed 6 months.