Mr. WELSH. Yes sir; in countries where there are excess currencies. We have not had appropriations to establish programs in Tunisia and the Congo. Mr. ANDREWS. Are there other countries where you have excess funds and do not have a program? Mr. WELSH. Burma is one. Mr. ANDREWS. Is that the only one? Mr. WELSH. Guinea is another, sir. Dr. MUMFORD. The situation changes from time to time. Communications issued periodically from the Bureau of the Budget indicate additional countries where there are excess funds. Mr. ANDREWS. Do you plan to go into all countries where you have excess funds? Dr. MUMFORD. If there are sufficient numbers of publications and if we could purchase them with excess currency for the Library of Congress and other research libraries in this country, it would be desirable for us to operate in all of them. Mr. ANDREWS. Will you justify the increases requested for the existing program, Dr. Mumford? INCREASE REQUESTED FOR CEYLON Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. On page 218 we have a breakdown of these increases. I believe you asked for those sheets to go in. For Ceylon an increase of $30,000 is requested to annualize the program that was initiated in fiscal 1967 and for the operation of the program at a somewhat improved level. Mr. ANDREWS. In Ceylon, how many employees do you have there? Mr. WELSH. We have none at the moment. We are operating the program out of India. We would hope to hire six natives and one American in order to operate the program from Ceylon. Mr. ANDREWs. One American? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. What would his salary be? Mr. WELSH. It is a GS-14, sir, which is $17,192. Mr. ANDREWS. He would have fringe benefits in addition to that? Mr. WELSH. No, this includes fringe benefits. Mr. ANDREWS. What fringe benefits would he have? Mr. WELSH. The same as ours, retirement, life insurance, health services, et cetera. Mr. ANDREWS. But his total salary including fringe benefits would be $17,000? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. Would you pay for the transportation of his furniture over there? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWs. How much would that cost? Mr. WELSH. That varies from country to country. Mr. ANDREWS. That would be in addition to the $17,000. Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. Would he be permitted to carry his family over? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. Would he sign up for 2 years? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir; a minimum of 2 years. Mr. ANDREWS. Would he get overseas differential? Mr. WELSH. In Ceylon he would receive a 10-percent overseas differential. Mr. ANDREWS. Would that be 10 percent of the $17,000? Mr. WELSH. No. Mr. ANDREWs. It is all included in the $17,000? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. In other words, his costs there would not be more than $17,000, plus the cost of transporting his materials over there. Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. Would he be paid in dollars or local currency? Mr. WELSH. His salary would be paid in dollars. Mr. ANDREWS. You are requesting $17,932 for Ceylon in hard currency: is that correct? Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. $17,000 of that would be to pay your employee's salary? Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir, and the fringe benefits. Mr. ANDREWS. But all told, fringe benefits, salary, would be $17,000? Mr. WELSH. No, sir; excuse me. The amount that is shown for personal compensation, which is salary, is $14,437 plus $995, because it is customary as in our other jobs of using a lapse factor. Mr. ANDREWS. Let us get started again here now. His salary would be $14,000. Mr. WELSH. The amount we have identified in the 1968 table for Ceylon is $14,437 plus $995, which would be for this man's salary and fringe benefits. Mr. ANDREWS. That is $15,432. What about the 10-percent differential? Mr. WELSH. That is included in the $14,437. Mr. ANDREWS. That man will cost $15,432. Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. You are requesting $17,932. Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. Give us a breakdown on the balance. You are going to give the employee $15,432. That is $2,500 extra. Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. That is under item 22. Transportation of things. Mr. ANDREWS. Do you think it would cost $2,500 to send his furniture over there? Mr. WELSH. Yes. Mr. ANDREWS. How much to send it back? Mr. WELSH. Presumably the same amount but that will not be budgeted until we face that. Mr. ANDREWS. Until you get ready to bring him back 2 years from now? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir, Mr. ANDREWS. That takes up your $17,932; is that right? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. Soft currency you plan to spend in Ceylon in the amount of $70,000. Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. Are you sure you can get a man in Ceylon? Mr. ANDREWS. When are you going to put him over there? Mr. WELSH. Very shortly. We have had our man from India visit. Ceylon and he received approval from the State Department and the local government to initiate the program. INCREASE REQUESTED FOR THE CONGO Mr. ANDREWS. The next is the Congo where you are requesting a total of $114,754, $94,000 of which will be in soft currency, $20,754 hard U.S. dollars. How much will that man be paid? How many men do you plan to have in the Congo? Mr. WELSH. One American and 10 locals. Mr. ANDREWS. What about the salary of the man for the Congo? Mr. WELSH. $13,833 for personal compensation plus $871 for personal benefits. Mr. ANDREWs. What does that total? Mr. WELSH. $14,754. Mr. ANDREWs. Does that include his overseas differential? Mr. ANDREWS. That is the total amount he will get. Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. There is a 25-percent overseas differential for the Congo. us. Mr. ANDREWS. But that is included in the $14.000 figure you gave Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. The balance of this money will be spent for transporting his furniture and so on. Mr. WELSH. Yes. A sum of $6,000 is included for transportation of things. Mr. ANDREWS. You do have camels in this program. Mr. WELSH. We do, indeed. We have pictures of them. PROGRAM IN INDIA Mr. ANDREWS. We saw them last year. How many people do you have in India? Mr. WELSH. In India at the moment we have 59 locals and two Americans. Mr. ANDREWS. Do they get about the same salary and fringe benefits? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. Would you say about $15,000 is the average salary that your overseas people get, including all fringe benefits? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. One of the biggest items you have is shipping his furniture over there? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Incidentally, in India the second in command is a lower grade than the top man. But the average salary is $15,000. VALUE OF A SPECIAL ACQUISITION PROGRAM Mr. ANDREWS. Dr. Mumford, is this program of any value to the United States? Is the United States getting a good return for the money expended? Are these collections being utilized? I wish you would discuss it. Dr. MUMFORD. I certainly think so, Mr. Chairman, from the reports we have had from librarians and scholars in the research libraries into which these materials go. They are being used, and they would not be able to get any sizable percentage of them on their own. By the Library's having a person on the spot to collect publications, to keep constant contact with the governmental agencies and with the private book dealers, we are able to obtain material which an individual institution would not be able to acquire certainly not as easily or nearly as completely as we have been able to do. Mr. ANDREWs. What interest has been shown by the libraries of the United States in the materials they are able to get? Dr. MUMFORD. Very strong interest, Mr. Chairman. In fact, we have more requests to participate in this program than we can satisfy, because the funds will permit only a limited number of participating institutions. We try to place the publications in institutions where there are special studies going on in respect to this particular area and where the materials are most needed and where they might have had a nucleus of materials on which to build. Mr. ANDREWS. Are you increasing the volume of material you are getting in under this program? Dr. MUMFORD. Only as the number of publications increase within the country. In some of these countries there is an increase in the amount of publication. We do not bring in everything. We are selective. Mr. ANDREWS. That is the purpose of your man over there, to look over the material and select it. Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. We confer with the librarians from the institutions that are receiving this material and try to limit materials to the categories that they think will be very useful. Mr. ANDREWS. Does your man in Pakistan, for instance, have the sole right to select what shall be purchased in Pakistan and sent back to this country? Dr. MUMFORD. Within certain well-defined policy criteria. These criteria have been determined in consultation with the librarians here who are going to receive the material. Mr. ANDREWS. Would you hazard a guess as to what the value of this material you are getting from overseas, sent to this country, would be worth in dollars and cents if you had to purchase it on the market? I mean with dollars. Dr. MUMFORD. I think we might be able to make a rough estimate, Mr. Chariman. I would not attempt offhand to give a figure. Mr. ANDREWS. Put that in the record. (The information follows:) 78-653-67—————37 Mr. ANDREWS. Are you sure you can get a man in Ceylon? Mr. ANDREWS. When are you going to put him over there? Mr. WELSH. Very shortly. We have had our man from India visit Ceylon and he received approval from the State Department and the local government to initiate the program. INCREASE REQUESTED FOR THE CONGO Mr. ANDREWS. The next is the Congo where you are requesting a total of $114,754, $94,000 of which will be in soft currency, $20,754 hard U.S. dollars. How much will that man be paid? How many men do you plan to have in the Congo? Mr. WELSH. One American and 10 locals. Mr. ANDREWS. What about the salary of the man for the Congo? Mr. WELSH. $13,833 for personal compensation plus $871 for personal benefits. Mr. ANDREWs. What does that total? Mr. WELSH. $14,754. Mr. ANDREWs. Does that include his overseas differential? Mr. ANDREWS. That is the total amount he will get. Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. There is a 25-percent overseas differential for the Congo. us. Mr. ANDREWS. But that is included in the $14,000 figure you gave Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. The balance of this money will be spent for transporting his furniture and so on. Mr. WELSH. Yes. A sum of $6,000 is included for transportation of things. Mr. ANDREWS. You do have camels in this program. Mr. WELSH. We do, indeed. We have pictures of them. PROGRAM IN INDIA Mr. ANDREWS. We saw them last year. How many people do you have in India? Mr. WELSH. In India at the moment we have 59 locals and two Americans. Mr. ANDREWS. Do they get about the same salary and fringe benefits? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. Would you say about $15,000 is the average salary that your overseas people get, including all fringe benefits? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. One of the biggest items you have is shipping his furniture over there? Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Incidentally, in India the second in command is a lower grade than the top man. But the average salary is $15,000. VALUE OF A SPECIAL ACQUISITION PROGRAM Mr. ANDREWS. Dr. Mumford, is this program of any value to the United States? Is the United States getting a good return for the |