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Mr. ANDREWS. Let us turn to page 126 of the committee print, under 218 of the justification and take up "Collection and distribution of library materials, special foreign currency program.” If you gentlemen will turn to page 241 you will see a breakdown of all the countries.

We will insert that in the record at this point, just the grand totals. (The page follows:)

U.S. and foreign currencies

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40,000 40,000 17, 932 70,000 87,932 Congo.

20, 754 94, 000 114, 754 India.

31, 309

899, 309 37, 151 868,000 905, 151
22, 973 170,000 192, 973 25, 641

25, 641 Israel

22, 375 273, 000 295, 376 27,022 273,000 300,022 Nepal..

36,000 36 000

36,000 36,000 Pakistan.

14,276 163,000 177, 27620, 611 168,000 188, 611 Poland..

12, 434 139,000 151, 434 20, 432 126, 000 146 432 Tunisia

17, 754 178,000 195 754 UAR

14. 708 261.000 275, 708 19,141 276,000 295, 141 Yugoslavia 12, 434 138, 000 150, 434 18, 432 225, 003

243, 432 Total -------- 130,509 2,088,000 2,218, 509 224,870 2,314,000 2,538, 870 U.S. personnel, etc.- 54, 691

54, 691 50, 130

50, 130 Grand total... 185,200 2,088,000 2, 273, 200 275,000 2, 314,000 2,589,000

17,932 30,000 47,982 20, 754 94, 000114, 754 5,842

5,842 2, 668

2,668 4, 647

4,647 5,000

11,335 7,998

7.998 17,754 178,000 195 754 4. 433 15,000 19, 433 5,998 87,000 92,998 94, 361 409,000 -4,561

-4,561 89,800 409, 000 498,800

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Mr. ANDREWS. You are requesting $2,859,000 for fiscal 1968, an increase of $585,800, is that correct?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. I believe this is the program mentioned in your opening statement that can be reduced some $270,000, is that correct, Dr. Mumford ?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.
Mr. ANDREWS. Where would the reductions occur?
Will you look at page 241 ?
Dr. MUMFORD. In the allocations to Indonesia and to Poland.


Mr. ANDREWS. Indonesia is shown here at what?
Dr. MUMFORD. $170,000.
Mr. ANDREWS. In soft currency? What would that be reduced?
Dr. MUMFORD. The full amount of $170,000.
Mr. ANDREWS. What about the hard currency for Indonesia shown
on the table on page 241. Would that also be deleted ?

Mr. WELSH. No, sir; it would not.
Mr. ANDREWS. Why not?

Mr. WELSH. We would need that sum to maintain the U.S. staff. We have one person there, a director, and we expect to continue the program using the foreign currency carried over from the previous year.

Mr. ANDREWS. How much foreign currency carryover would you have?

Mr. WELSH. I do not have that figure, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. Would you supply it for the record ?
Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir.
(The information follows:)

PUBLIC LAW 480 PROGRAMS—INDONESIA Indonesia carryover (unobligated) fiscal 1966: $131,599.14 (Nw. Rp. 12,501,918).

Mr. ANDREWS. Why is this program being scratched ?

Mr. WELSH. Excess foreign currencies are no longer available in Indonesia according to the Bureau of the Budget.

Dr. MUMFORD. However, as we indicated the other day there is an accumulation of funds that would enable us, we think, to operate an additional year there. We would need the hard dollars in order to do that.

As Mr. Welsh said, because excess currency is no longer available, we are not asking for additional foreign currency.

Mr. ANDREWS. That could mean, and I assume should mean, this program will wind up as far as Indonesia is concerned at the end of fiscal 1968 ?

Dr. MUMFORD. This is possible unless our Government makes some additional loan arrangements with the Indonesian Government.

Downward Revision of Estimate for Poland

Mr. ANDREWS. Where is the other $100,000 to be taken?
Dr. MUMFORD. From the amount allocated to Poland.

Mr. ANDREWS. On page 241 you show that you had requested $226,000 in soft currencies for Poland for fiscal year 1968. You say that should be reduced to $126,000.

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. That gives you a reduction of $270,000 in soft currency for this program in 1968.

Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. How much, if any, reduction will there be in the hard currency which is shown to be $275,000 for this program?

Mr. WELSH. There might possibly be a reduction of $6,000 in the program for Poland.

Mr. ANDREWS. There might possibly be?

Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. We have not as yet been able to establish a program there. If we are able to do so in the immediate future, we would need hard dollars to operate the program for a full year in 1968, but only a part of the hard dollars authorized for 1967. The hard dollars not needed in 1967 would be deposited in the Treasury.

Mr. ANDREWS. What is the reason for the request for $126,000 in soft currency for Poland if as of today you do not have a program over there?

Mr. WELSH. If we were to begin operating immediately, we would establish contractual arrangements for space, for the acquisition of materials, et cetera.

Mr. ANDREWS. Did you have a program there in 1967?
Mr. WELSH. No, sir.
Mr. ANDREWS. 1966 ?
Mr. WELSH. No, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. How long since you have had a program in Poland?
Dr. MUMFORD. This is the first year it was authorized.
Mr. ANDREWS. You are not sure you get in there?

Dr. MUMFORD. No, sir; as I indicated the other day, we are waiting final word from the Minister of Culture in order to begin the program. We have had approval from the Minister of Finance, and we are hopeful that at almost any time now we will get word that we can go ahead.

Mr. ANDREWS. Let me ask you again, why did you cut the $100,000 from the soft currency budget request for Poland for 1968?

Mr. WELSH. Because, sir, we have moneys authorized in 1967 which would largely be unused in fiscal 1967. The $126,000 would enable us to operate for a full year next year, plus whatever small portion of this year remains.

Mr. ANDREWS. So, for this program which is designated as the special foreign currency program for the collection and distribution of library materials for the Library of Congress, you are requesting $2,314,000 in soft currency, and $275,000 in dollars.

Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir. Mr. ANDREWS. With a possible cut of $6,000 in the hard-currency program, which would be $269,000 hard currency?

Mr. WELSH. May I amend that statement? The $6,000 cut is based on the assumption that we would be able to establish a program in Poland for a portion of this year. If we are unable to operate for any part of this year, then the amount would be cut further, both in hard dollars and foreign currency.

Mr. ANDREWS. The whole thing would be cut ?
Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir; the unused amounts for 1967.

Mr. ANDREWS. $20,432 in dollars and the remaining $126,000 in soft currency.

Mr. WELSH. No, sir; the $12,434 in hard dollars, and an additional $39,000 in soft currencies.


Mr. ANDREWS. Would you provide a record between the U.S. dollars requested and foreign currency? I believe we have that. Would you insert pages 218 through 220 of the justifications?

(The pages follow :) Collection and distribution of library materials (special foreign currency pro

gram), Library of Congress 1967 regular bill.---Proposed supplemental due to pay increase---

----- $2, 268.000


1967 Adjusted. 1968 estimates--


2. 273. 200 2, 859, 000

Net increase-

585, 800


1. Ceylon.—An increase of $30,000 is requested for annualization of program initiated in fiscal year 1967 and for operation of the program at an improved level.

2. India.-No increase.
3. Indonesia.—No increase.

4. Israel. No increase. 5. Nepal.—No increase.

6. Pakistan.-An increase of $5,000 is requested for the purchase of additional English-language titles for 300 American libraries.

7. Poland.-An increase of $87,000 is requested for annualization of program initiated in fiscal year 1967 and to provide for six additional participants.

8. United Arab Republic.--An increase of $15,000 is requested to provide for increased local salary costs, additional office space, and replacement of worn-out equipment.

9. Yugoslavia.-An increase of $87,000 is requested for annualization of pro gram initiated in fiscal year 1967 and to provide for six additional participants. Verc programs requested

1. Congo.-Request is made for $94,000 to initiate a program for the purchase and bibliographic listing of publications.

2. Tunisia.-Request is made for $178,000 to initiate a program for the purchase and bibliographic listing of publications.

VOTE.-In each of the new program requests above, it is necessary to find suitable quarters including utility services, supplies and equipment, hire local staff, purchase books and library materials, ship these materials to the Library of Congress and other research libraries, and perform local travel in connection with the procurement of library materials.)

1.8. dollars.-An increase of $89,800 is requested in U.S. Dollars. Included are Salaries and incidental expenses for 2 new directors for the programs requested for 9 months (Congo and Tunisia) and a director for Ceylon which program was initiated in 1967. The balance of the request is for annualization of programs initiated in 1967 in Poland and Yugoslavia, transportation costs and equipment.


Mr. ANDREWS. Describe program plans for 1968, in general, Dr. Jumford.

Dr. MUMFORD. In general, we plan to continue to operate in the countries in which we have been operating; namely, India, Pakistan, United Arab Republic, Indonesia, Israel, Ceylon, Yugoslavia, Nepal, and if we can go into Poland, we will do so.


Dr. MUMFORD. The Congo and Tunisia are two additional countries in which we are requesting that we be permitted to operate.

Mr. ANDREWS. Are they new countries?
Dr. MUMFORD. They would be new to this program, yes.

Mr. ANDREWS. You have not had a program in those countries prior to this time?

Dr. MUMFORD. No, sir.

Jr. ANDREWS. What assurance do you have that you can get into the Congo and Tunisia ?

Mr. WELSH. A staff member has been to Tunisia rather recently and it appears from his evaluation that we will be able to establish a program there.

We have a title II-C office established in Nairobi, Kenya, and we 'Lave learned from that source that we can successfully launch a program in the Congo.

Jr. ANDREWS. Are the countries of the Congo and Tunisia the only iwo, with the exception of Poland, that you do not have firm commitwent to start a program?

Mr. WELSH. Yes sir; in countries where there are excess currencies. We have not had appropriations to establish programs in Tunisia and the Congo.

Mr. ANDREWS. Are there other countries where you have excess funds and do not have a program? Mr. WELSH. Burma is one. Mr. ANDREWS. Is that the only one ? Mr. WELSH. Guinea is another, sir.

Dr. MUMFORD. The situation changes from time to time. Communications issued periodically from the Bureau of the Budget indicate additional countries where there are excess funds.

Mr. ANDREWS. Do you plan to go into all countries where you have excess funds?

Dr. MUMFORD. If there are sufficient numbers of publications and if we could purchase them with excess currency for the Library of Congress and other research libraries in this country, it would be desirable for us to operate in all of them.

Mr. ANDREWS. Will you justify the increases requested for the existing program, Dr. Mumford ?

INCREASE REQUESTED FOR CEYLON Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. On page 218 we have a breakdown of these increases. I believe you asked for those sheets to go in. For Ceylon an increase of $30,000 is requested to annualize the program that was initiated in fiscal 1967 and for the operation of the program at a somewhat improved level.

Mr. ANDREWS. In Ceylon, how many employees do you have there? Mr. WELSH. We have none at the moment. We are operating the program out of India. We would hope to hire six natives and one American in order to operate the program from Ceylon.

Mr. ANDREWS. One American?
Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir.
Mr. ANDREWS. What would his salary be?
Mr. WELSH. It is a GS-14, sir, which is $17,192.
Mr. ANDREWS. He would have fringe benefits in addition to that?
Mr. WELSH. No, this includes fringe benefits.
Mr. ANDREWS. What fringe benefits would he have?

Mr. WELSH. The same as ours, retirement, life insurance, health services, et cetera.

Mr. ANDREWS. But his total salary including fringe benefits would be $17,000 ?

Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. Would you pay for the transportation of his furniture over there?

Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir.
Mr. ANDREWS. How much would that cost?
Mr. WELSH. That varies from country to country.
Mr. ANDREWS. That would be in addition to the $17,000.
Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir.
Mr. ANDREWS. Would he be permitted to carry his family over ?
Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir.
Mr. ANDREWS. Would he sign up for 2 years?

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