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the building. So we are now in the process of re-covering quite a bit of this in order to use it in the first phase of the building.

INCREASE REQUESTED

Mr. ANDREWS. Do you have a comparative statement, something to compare with this breakdown that you give in your statement?

Mr. JENNINGS. About the only thing we can compare it to is the 1967 appropriation. This is relatively the same as 1967; $300,000 was requested for 1967 and this is $365,000, which is an increase of $65,000. The real reason I think that probably will be needed is just as I have stated. In addition to that we will be moving into the new spaces that have been provided down in the garage and this will necessitate buying some additional equipment.

REQUEST FOR SUPPLIES AND MATERIALS

Mr. ANDREWS. Let us discuss the breakdown you gave us on this budget; $15,000 for supplies and materials. What kind of supplies and materials?

Mr. JENNINGS. That is miscellaneous materials—tacks, lumber, and material such as hides for upholstering, webbing, nails.

Mr. ANDREWS. Does it include any labor! ?
Mr. JENNINGS. No, sir.

REQUEST FOR FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT

Mr. ANDREWS. The next item is $207,800 for the purchase of furniture and equipment. Discuss that.

Mr. JENNINGS. This item will probably not be that high. However, there is some question as to where we stand, as I understand it, between the architect and my self as to the purchase of the furniture and equipment for the basement level of the Rayburn Building.

It was my understanding when I testified before the committee that he had some $300,000 to carry out the instructions of the Building Commission for the purchase of all the furniture for the Rayburn Building. This is not included in that amount. This is for replacement.

Mr. ANDREWS. In what offices? Mr. JENNINGS. All offices and all committees and everything in the House side of the Capitol.

Mr. ANDREWS. Do you have a shopping list for the furniture? Mr. JENNINGS. We have a list, yes, sir, but we don't know exactly which items.

Mr. ANDREWS. How did you arrive at the figure $207,800 ?

Mr. JENNINGS. That is based on the estimates of the amounts over years past.

Mr. ANDREWS. If you get this money will you buy the furniture through competitive bids?

Mr. JENNINGS. Yes, sir.

REQUEST FOR CLEANING AND REPAIRING OLD RUGS

Mr. ANDREWS. The next item is $6,000 for cleaning, repair work, and remaking of old rugs. How will you get that work done?

Mr. JENNINGS. We have authorized now a master carpet layer and two helpers. Most of this, Mr. Chairman, will be used for the sewing together and using of the old carpets that come out of the second phase of the Cannon Building to go in Members' offices in the Longworth Building, plus the installation of new carpets where authorized other than that which is provided in the renovation of the Cannon Building.

REQUEST FOR PURCHASE OF NEW CARPET

Mr. ANDREWS. You have $100,000 for the purchase of new carpet. Where will that be used ?

Mr. JENNINGS. Wherever it is necessary. Most of it probably will be used in committee rooms where changes are required.

Mr. ANDREWS. Have you made a survey as to the need for new carpeting?

Mr. JENNINGS. Not a detailed survey, Mr. Chairman. Mr. ANDREWS. How did you arrive at the figure of $100,000? Mr. JENNINGS. Based on the usage of the past and also based on some of the requests that we now have from Members and committees and from others pertaining to carpeting.

Mr. ANDREWS. What buildings would this carpeting be used in?

Mr. JENNINGS. In all four of the buildings: the House side of the Capitol, Cannon, Longworth, and Rayburn.

Mr. ANDREWS. Are not all of the offices in the Rayburn Building carpeted wall to wall?

Mr. JENNINGS. No, sir. We just approved a request the other day for the Armed Services Committee room for carpeting which is on the basement level.

Mr. ANDREWS. What about Members' offices?
Mr. JENNINGS. All the Members' offices are carpeted.
Mr. ANDREWS. But not all committee rooms?

Mr. JENNINGS. All committee rooms other than those on the base. ment level which have been assigned, but there are some large com mittee rooms,

Mr. ANDREWS. If this money is appropriated and you buy $100,00 worth of new carpet, how will you buy it? By competitive bidding!

Mr. JENNINGS. We will buy it by competitive bidding where large purchases are involved. Where small individual purchases are involved and it is difficult to write specifications for it, such as a request that have now for one dining room, we will just buy that on the basis o a negotiated bid.

REQUEST FOR PURCHASE OF PACKING BOXES Mr. ANDREWS. You have $6,000 for the purchase of trunks or so called packing boxes for the second session of the 90th Congress.

Mr. JENNINGS. Yes, sir. That $6,000 is for the so-called footlocker Each Member gets one.

Mr. ANDREWS. What are the rules for those trunks?

Mr. JENNINGS. Each Member is authorized one for each session Congress.

Mr. ANDREWS. That is by resolution which has been annualized! Mr. JENNINGS. Yes, sir.

REQUEST FOR PURCHASE OF DRAPERIES

Mr. ANDREWS. $30,000 for the purchase of new drapery material, drapery supplies and sewing. Where will you use that?

Mr. JENNINGS. Wherever requested and deemed necessary, Primarily it will be in the House side of the Capitol as well as one office building.

Mr. ANDREWS. Will you buy it before requested or will you wait until the request is made?

Mr. JENNINGS. We will wait until the request is made and then try to screen it as much as humanly possible.

REQUEST FOR INSECT EXTERMINATION

Mr. ANDREWS. $200 for insect extermination. We will quit on that. That is a good place.

Mr. JENNINGS. That is self-explanatory.

Mr. ANDREWS. We will meet again in the morning at 10 o'clock, gentlemen.

TUESDAY, MAY 2, 1967.

Mr. ANDREWS. The committee will come to order.

We shall continue with the Clerk of the House. I believe we were discussing the contingent expenses of the House, on page 29, and we had gotten down to the item of furniture.

Mr. JENNINGS. I think we finished that, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. ANDREWS. I have a few more questions I want to ask you about furniture.

EQUIPMENT FOR UNDERGROUND GARAGE FACILITIES

What furniture or equipment lists do you have in mind for the new facilities that you are going to get for the underground garages?

Mr. JENNINGS. The only equipment that I have and the only request that I will be handing in that connection is equipment for that space which is assigned to the Clerk's department—the upholstery shop, the cabinetmaking shop, and the offices that are assigned to the property custodian.

Mr. ANDREWS. Do you propose to buy it out of this request of $207,800?

Mr. JENNINGS. Any furniture that goes in there, I do, but very frankly, I would anticipate using old furniture that will be surplus in the Cannon Building,

Mr. ANDREWS. I think that is the smart thing to do. I would hope that you will use as much as possible and buy as little new.

USED SURPLUS FURNITURE

Tell us something about the furniture that will be left over from the Cannon Building and the Rayburn basement activities. If all new furniture is provided for those areas, what kind will you have left? Will some of it be reasonably good?

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Mr. JENNINGS. We will have from the basement of the Rayburn Building only that old furniture which was brought from the George Washington Inn over to the basement level of the Rayburn Building when the committees moved into that area before the Rayburn Building was completely furnished. As I have pointed out in the past, no furniture has been provided for the basement level of the Rayburn Building. So, the surplus furniture there, to repeat, will be that furniture which was brought from the old George Washington Inn. Very little of it will be of the type that will be usable.

In the Cannon Building we will have some surplus equipment. As a matter of fact, I rather suspect, Mr. Chairman, that we will find some complaints from Members because we are putting new furniture in each of the offices and not using some of these desks, because some of them will be rather nice. We would not have enough of them to furnish every office, and it was felt by the Building Commission and, upon my recommendation, that we should attempt to standardize and use the Rayburn-type furniture as far as practicable and as far as we could by giving each of the Members a comparable office.

Mr. ANDREWS. You are asking for $207,800 for furniture under this item?

Mr. JENNINGS. Yes.

Mr. ANDREWS. Then if you get the $1,885,000 in the pending supplemental bill, that will give you a pretty good furniture account, will it not?

Mr. JENNINGS. Yes, sir.
Mír. ANDREWS. I hope you can get by without using it all.

Mr. JENNINGS. I do, too. Very frankly, I think we will. This is a question I need to ask. If you make available the $1,885,000, will this remain available until expended?

Mr. ANDREWS. Right.

Mr. JENNINGS. The first phase of the Cannon Building will be ready some time after the 1st of July, but the second phase will not be ready until a year hence. The reason I asked for the entire amount is so we could place the order for the volume and get a much better discount, a much better price.

Mr. ANDREWS. I believe you told us this $1,885,000 will be enough to furnish the whole Cannon Building.

Mr. JENNINGS. The whole Cannon Building. There is a $300,000 item that it was my understanding the Architect of the Capitol had in his past budgets in the Rayburn Building for the purpose of furnishing the basement of the Rayburn Building. I have not asked for that in a supplemental or in this.

Mr. ANDREWS. The Library of Congress in its 1968 budget is asking for $10,000 for 200 metal, legal, and letter-size file cabinets, and $13,000 for standard desks, tables, and chairs. What would you say would be the possibility of their getting reasonably good furniture of that kind from you when you renew the furniture now in the Cannon Building?

Mr. JENNINGS. Mr. Chairman, we will have a great deal of surplus.
Mr. ANDREWS. Filing cabinets, tables, desks, chairs, et cetera ?
Mr. JENNINGS. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. I wish you would discuss that with Dr. Mumford or somebody of the Library of Congress and tell them about it, because we have already pointed out to them the possibility that they could get some of this from you. We will take it up with them, too.

Mr. JENNINGS. I will be delighted to do that. However, it has been our practice to dispose of all of our surpluses through the General Services Administration.

Mr. ANDREWS. This can be arranged.
Mr. JENNINGS. Surely, it can.
Mr. ANDREWS. Locating the furniture is the main problem.

That is all the questions we have on the item of "Contingent expenses" of the House on page 29. Any questions, Mr. Steed?

Mr. STEED. No questions.
Mr. ANDREWS. Mr. Langen?

USE OF NEW FUNDS FOR PURCHASE OF FURNITURE

Mr. LANGEN. I have just one or two inquiries. I do not know whether it has been identified as yet. We talked about the $207,800 for the purchase of furniture and equipment. What kind of furniture and what kind of equipment, and where will it be?

Mr. JENNINGS. Quite often we are called on to supply furniture for various offices. An example would be the doctor's office, for instance. The Architect of the Capitol has drawn up and submitted to the Clerk a suggested plan for the furnishing of the doctor's office. This would be one example.

Presently we are refurnishing the Members' family room, which is upstairs just off the gallery. It looks very much like a smoker down at the Union Station, with big, heavy, leather, old-type furniture. We are trying to refinish that in something that would be in keeping or comparable to the Members' ladies room downstairs.

Oftentimes we are called on to furnish additional furniture for existing offices. An example of that is over in the Joe Martin Dining Room. Just last week we installed new carpeting there. At this time have a letter on my desk from Mr. Ford, requesting some additional tables and cabinets. I was in there this morning and I find they are needed very badly.

If you look throughout the Capitol, there are places that are old and antiquated. We are trying to modernize them. This is for occasionaltype furniture.

In addition to that, the House Building Commission has authorized the retiring Members to buy their desks and chairs. This money would be used to replace those desks and chairs.

These are just some of the examples. I could probably think of some others.

Mr. LANGEN. I gather that you say these are items that may come along, but they are not identified as of now as to furnishing one office or one committee room or something else. It is a kind of guess as to what anticipated requests might be.

Mr. JENNINGS. Yes, sir, that is true.

Mr. LANGEN. It seems to me that we appropriated money for the remodeling of the doctor's office last year, for instance, but I suppose the added furniture came along at a later date.

Mr. JENNINGS. Yes, sir. You see, when additional space is authorized by the Speaker or the Building Commission, as was the case

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