Senator SPARKMAN. I have no questions.

The CHAIRMAN. Any questions?

The Chair wants to call attention to this fine endorsement of Mr. Taylor by our friend, Senator Ribicoff. He said he was director of the New Haven Redevelopment Agency and he had quite a record in Massachusetts and has been adviser in some Latin American countries. We have two well qualified men presented here and apparently they do not wish to ask you gentlemen any questions. (The endorsement by Senator Ribicoff follows.)

Hon. A. WILLIS ROBERTSON,

U.S. SENATE, COMMITTEE ON FINANCE, Washington, D.C., May 11, 1966.

Chairman, Senate Banking and Currency Committee, Senate Office Building

DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN: I regret that I will be unable to appear personally to introduce Mr. H. Ralph Taylor, whose nomination as Assistant Secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development for Inter-Governmental Relations your Committee is now considering.

Mr. Taylor is a resident of New Haven, Connecticut, where he has made his home for many years. As Director of the New Haven Redevelopment Agency he not only gained first-hand knowledge of the serious problems which confront our cities today, but he also laid the groundwork for the exciting progress that city has made. His experience also includes experience with the Massachusetts State Housing Board and the Somerville, Massachusetts Housing Authority.

Equally important, however, is the broad administrative and management experience Mr. Taylor brings from his work in private consulting organizations specializing in urban renewal and development, and his work with A.I.D., as a consultant on urban renewal for the Government of Chile.

I am pleased to endorse Mr. Taylor's nomination. I highly recommend him to the Committee, with every confidence that he will bring to the Department of Housing and Urban Development the versatility, experience and imagination the position and the challenge demand.

Sincerely,

Senator THURMOND. Mr. Chairman.

ABRAHAM RIBICOFF.

The CHAIRMAN. The Senator from South Carolina.

Senator THURMOND. I would like to inquire as to what the duties of these gentlemen would be.

STATEMENTS OF DON HUMMEL, OF ARIZONA, AND H. RALPH TAYLOR, OF CONNECTICUT, NOMINEES TO BE ASSISTANT SECRETARIES OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT

Mr. HUMMEL. It is my understanding that I would be an Assistant Secretary of the Department who would be primarily responsible for the agencies covering urban renewal and housing assistance, and other major programs serving cities. These would include your park developments, open space, and beautification in the city proper, and housing rehabilitation and relocation.

Mr. TAYLOR. Mr. Chairman, I would be Assistant Secretary of the Department with major concern for the area of intergovernmental relations, low-rent and other demonstration programs, and urban

development studies, particularly in the area of intergovernmental problems.

Senator DOUGLAS. I must confess I am a little puzzled. I would have thought from your experience, Mr. Taylor, that you would be dealing with urban renewal.

Mr. TAYLOR. Senator, the Department, as I understand it, is being organized with my duties being on a departmentwide rather than separate compartment basis, so far as studies and pilot programs are concerned.

For example, I will administer urban renewal and low-rent demonstration programs, as distinct from the regular ongoing programs under Mr. Hummel. We will be working together closely as a team on these matters. The intergovernmental phases of the work, with respect to policy, will bring my activities into the renewal ara, as well as the private housing and public housing areas, as well as the planning area; and the background that each of us brings to these matters will contribute to the formation and melding of the Department's policies and operations.

Senator DOUGLAS. I am still puzzled. Does this mean you will be sort of a roving Secretary?

Mr. TAYLOR. No, sir. No, sir. I will be concentrating on coordination, study, and pilot program aspects.

Senator DOUGLAS. Well, does this mean that you are going to incubate the so-called demonstration cities plan?

Mr. TAYLOR. I will be working with it.

Senator DOUGLAS. I thought that was the province of Mr. Wood? Mr. TAYLOR. Mr. Senator, Mr. Wood is the Under Secretary. I will report directly to Mr. Wood and Secretary Weaver.

The CHAIRMAN. May I read this paragraph from Senator Ribicoff's letter. He said:

Equally important however is the broad administrative and management experience Mr. Taylor brings * * *.

Senator DOUGLAS. I don't question his ability in the slightest. I was just interested in the spheres of responsibility. Secretary Weaver really ought to be here to reply to my question. He should be subjected to this inquiry. But I am puzzled and let the record show that I am still puzzled.

Senator THURMOND. Mr. Chairman, as I understand, Mr. Taylor has had experience in urban renewal and Mr. Hummel in intergovernmental relations. But, as I understand here, you are taking just the opposite positions.

Mr. HUMMEL. If I may add, Senator, I think that

Senator THURMOND. I am not questioning your ability to perform these duties. But I was just wondering, since you both have had considerable experience in fields within the Department, that you are not serving in the particular field in which you have had the most experience.

Mr. HUMMEL. As I understand it, particularly from my experience at the local level, there is no place that you can really divide the responsibilities sharply. Mr. Taylor would, in effect, be working more in the field of new programs, as they relate to ways and means of improving urban renewal and housing programs and all the other programs that occur at the local level.

But you just can't entirely separate, I believe, one phase of these problems from another. They are so closely interrelated that, while one of us would have one title and another, another, I think we both, in effect, will deal with different facets of the same problems.

Senator THURMOND. Is he to coordinate work with the various divisions within this new Department, Housing and Urban Renewal? Or is he to coordinate the work of that Department with other departments of the Government?

Mr. HUMMEL. I think it would be both, Senator.

Mr. TAYLOR. It would be both, but with primary emphasis, Senator, on meeting the objectives that were described in the committee reports on the formation of the new Department. My concern will be largely for the coordination of all programs that affect the urban scene, within the limitations and within the scope of the legislative history there set forth.

Senator DOUGLAS. Well, I always thought that was the specialty of Dr. Wood, who is the Under Secretary. Dr. Wood is said to be the man who really drafted the report of the task force. He is said to be the father of the demonstration cities program.

There have been some very bad accidents on the baseball field in recent weeks of shortstops and left fielders colliding with each other with one very valuable shortstop probably put out of business for life. I would hate to see any balls going into the Department and valuable public servants coming into violent collision with each other in their attempts to field them.

Senator PROXMIRE. As I understand it, Mr. Wood is the Under Secretary of the Department with responsibility for the entire Department-every phase of it, and it is an enormously complex and farreaching Department-and Mr. Taylor's responsibility is a specific responsibility, to be Mr. Wood's alter ego, so to speak, on the demonstration cities program and in these areas which are somewhat a little more limited and specific.

Is that correct?

Mr. TAYLOR. Thank you for the clear statement, sir. It is correct. The CHAIRMAN. For the benefit of our distinguished Senator from Harvard on our left.

Senator PROXMIRE. Both of us are from the same school. He was a year ahead of me.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Taylor has two degrees from Harvard.
Senator PROXMIRE. So have I.

The CHAIRMAN. But he had a southern exposure down at the University of Louisiana.

Senator PROXMIRE. I had a southern exposure at Yale. [Laughter.] The CHAIRMAN. Well, I am sure these gentlemen are going to work without conflict and won't collide.

Senator THURMOND. Mr. Chairman, would it be in order to request Secretary Weaver, as soon as he gets things straightened out, to furnish us a list of his Under Secretaries and Assistant Secretaries with a delineation of their duties, so we would know what they are. The CHAIRMAN. Without objection we will request him to make that a part of these hearings. (See p. 16.)

That will be so ordered.

Gentlemen, we thank you.

Mr. TAYLOR. Thank you very much.

The CHAIRMAN. We have biographical sketches of Mr. Hummel and Mr. Taylor, which, without objection will be inserted at this point. Also, I believe, the public law establishing the Department of Housing and Urban Development should be included in the record. (See p. 21.)

(The biographical sketches follow :)

BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF DON HUMMEL

Don Hummel, 48 Calle Encanto, Tucson, Arizona.
Born September 9, 1907-Cincinnati, Ohio.

Family:

Married Eugenia Mitchell, December 1947.

Four children: Donna, 17-senior, Tucson High School; Diane, 16-junior, Tucson High School; Clifford, 14-freshman, Tucson High School; Charlene, 12— Mansfeld Junior High.

Moved to Arizona as infant of 3 months. Raised on a ranch in territorial days. Started school at age of 9 as no schools available before this. Rode horseback to school first two years. Moved to Tucson, Arizona. Graduated from Tucson High School in 1925; University of Arizona in 1930-AB degree in political science; University of Michigan Law School-LLB-1933; admitted to practice of lawArizona and California-1934. Admitted to practice before United States Supreme Court and Military Court of Appeals. Practiced law with father in Tucson, Arizona.

Agent in

Public Service: Asst. U.S. Attorney (Arizona District 1947-1951). charge Division of Investigation handling criminal cases-misuse of U.S. emergency funds.

Organized the Inspection Division, Office of Price Administration—Atlanta Region and Denver Region.

Mayor of City of Tucson (3 terms 1955-1961).

President League of Arizona Cities and Towns 1956.

President of National League of Cities (then American Municipal Association) 1961.

Chairman of U.S. Delegation to Inter-American Municipal Congress 1960. Chairman of U.S. Delegation to International Congress of Local AuthoritiesIsrael 1960.

Commissioner-Arizona Power Authority 1965–66.

Chairman-Tucson Charter Revision Committee-1966.

Advisory Commission on Intergovernmental Relations-Mayor member

1959-61.

Public member and Vice-chairman 1961-62.

Military experience: Lt. Colonel U.S. Air Force.

Served as liaison officer between U.S. Army Air Force and Command and General Staff in counter intelligence matters 1942–43. Graduated Combat Intelligence School-Harrisburg 1943. Served Wing Intelligence Officer China Theatre 1943-46-14th Air Force. Awarded Bronze Star, Legion of Merit; Presidential Unit Citation, two awards by Chinese National Government.

Business experience: Organized, financed and is an officer and major stockholder in the following corporations:

1. Lassen National Park Co. 1933. Owns and operates all facilities for the accommodation of visitors to Lassen Volcanic National Park under contract with the Department of Interior.

2. Mt. McKinley National Park Company 1957. Leases and operates the hotel, grocery store, gas station and transportation service for visitors to Mt. McKinley National Park, Alaska under contract with the Department of the Interior.

3. Glacier Park, Incorporated 1960. Organized the corporation that purchased from the Great Northern Railway Company, the hotels, motels, and related facilities for the service to visitors to Glacier National Park, Montana. Membership: Arizona and California Bar Association

Pima County Bar Association-VFW, American Legion
Trinity Presbyterian Church-Board of Trustees.

BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF H. RALPH TAYLOR

Age: 47 (Born November 2, 1918 in Somerville, Mass.)
Home: 33 Cooper Road, North Haven, Connecticut.

PRESENT POSITION

President, Taylor-Hurley Associates and H. R. Taylor Management Corporation (private consulting organizations specializing in urban renewal and development).

1939: A.B., Harvard.

EDUCATION

1946: M.A., Louisiana State University. 1947: M.P.A., Littauer School, Harvard.

PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE

1941-1945: Military Service: U.S. Army.

1947-1948: Rating Examiner, U.S. Civil Service Commission, Sixth Region. 1948-1951: Administrative Assistant to the Director of Massachusetts State Housing Board (administering veterans' emergency housing program).

1951-1955: Assistant Director of the Somerville, Mass., Housing Authority. 1955-1959: Director of the New Haven, Connecticut, Redevelopment Agency. 1959 Successively Executive Vice President and President, Taylor-Hurley Associates and H. R. Taylor Management Corporation.

Responsible for the programming and development of approximately $100 million of new housing in urban renewal areas under Sections 213, 220, and 221(d) (3).

Developed and maintained relationships with local citizen groups and local governments as well as with various Federal agencies involved in the renewal process.

Acted as consultant to both profit-motivated and non-profit developers.

ALSO

1958-1959: With AID as a consultant on urban renewal for the Government of Chile.

Vice Chairman of the Executive Committee of National Association of Redevelopment Officials.

Member, Board of Directors and Resolutions Committee of National Housing Conference.

FAMILY

Married to the former Henrietta I. Medalia. Three children: Allan, 18; Robert, 16; David, 13.

(The Department of Housing and Urban Development supplied the following information in response to the request by Senator Thurmond:)

Both Mr. Don Hummel and Mr. H. Ralph Taylor will be Assistant Secretaries in the Department, serving under the supervision and direction of Secretary Robert C. Weaver and Under Secretary Robert C. Wood.

Pursuant to the Department of Housing and Urban Development Act, all the powers of the Department are vested in the Secretary, except that the powers of the Federal National Mortgage Association, a corporate entity within the Department, are vested in the Board of Directors of the Association. The Secretary is Chairman of the FNMA Board and appoints the other members. The Under Secretary and Assistant Secretaries of the Department derive their powers from the Secretary and carry out their responsibilities under his direction and supervision.

The Under Secretary has been charged with the responsibility of assisting the Secretary in the discharge of all his duties and responsibilities, and serves as Acting Secretary in the absence of the Secretary.

The Act creating the Department provides for four Assistant Secretaries and a General Counsel appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, and also an Assistant Secretary for Administration appointed by the Secretary, with the approval of the President.