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GOVERNMENT AGENCIES

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

SELECT COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT
ORGANIZATION

Congues
UNITED STATES SENATE

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Appointed pursuant to Senate Resolution No. 69
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Seventy-fifth Congress, First Session

ON

S. 2700

A BILL TO PROVIDE FOR REORGANIZING AGENCIES OF THE
GOVERNMENT, EXTENDING THE CLASSIFIED CIVIL
SERVICE, ESTABLISHING A GENERAL AUDITING
OFFICE AND A DEPARTMENT OF WEL-

FARE, AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

AUGUST 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 1937

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SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION

JAMES F. BYRNES, South Carolina, Chairman HARRY FLOOD BYRD, Virginia

CHARLES L. McNARY, Oregon JOSEPH C. O'MAHONEY, Wyoming

JOHN C. TOWNSEND, JR., Delaware
ALBEN W. BARKLEY, Kentucky

ROBERT M. LA FOLLETTE, JR., Wisconsin
PAT HARRISON, Mississippi
FRED H. BROWN, New Hampshire

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LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

SEP 2 S 1931

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Statement of -

Merriam, Charles E., member, President's Committee on Adminis-

trative Management.-

1, 51, 99

Greeley, W. B., secretary-manager, West Coast Lumbermen's Asso-

ciation -

27

Chapman, H. H., president, Society of American Foresters--

Gulick, Luther, member, President's Committee on Administrative

Management -

52, 91

Taber, Louis J., master of the National Grange-

75

McClure, James G. K., Jr., American Forestry Association.

103

Smith, H. A., Association of State Foresters--

109

Cope, Francis R., Jr., Pennsylvania Forestry Association.

110

Cary, Dr. Edward H., chairman, legislative activities committee,

American Medical Association---

122

Woodward, Dr. William C., legislative counsel for the American

32

Medical Association ---

126

Kaplan, H. Eliot, executive secretary, National Civil Service Reform

League.

139

Stengle, Charles I., national president, American Federation of

Government Employees.

147

Steward, Luther C., National Federation Federal Employees.

155

Baldwin, Mrs. Harris T., National League of Women Voters..

157

Rice, M. W., Veterans of Foreign Wars -

159

Lyman, Josiah, Association of Federal Mechanics_

165

Eastman, Joseph B., member Interstate Commerce Commission. 177

Sykes, Eugene O., acting chairman, Federal Communications Com-

mission.

197

Ayres, W. A., Chairman, Federal Trade Commission

202

Scott, John W., Federal Power Commission-

207

Brashears, Edward S., Association of Practitioners Before the Inter-

state Commerce Commission --

208

Fulbright, R. C., National Industrial Traffic League-

212

Hooker, H. L., Association Railroad and Utilities Commissioners.. 224

Smith, Elmer A., Association of Practitioners Before the Interstate

Commerce Commission.---

233

Miller, C. A., general counsel, the American Short Line .Railroad

Association -

237

Hood, J. M., the American Short Line Railroad Association

244

Ames, Harry C., New Jersey Industrial Traffic League

246

Walter, Luther M., National Industrial Traffic League

250

Ryder, Oscar B., Commissioner, United States Tariff Commission... 260

Madden, J. Warren, Chairman, National Labor Relations Board. 261

Herrell, R. H., Comptroller, Government Printing Office.-

263

Briggs, Dr. Lyman J., acting chairman, executive committee, Na-

tional Advisory Committee for Aeronautics -

266

Mitchell, Harry B., President, United States Civil Service Commis-

sion --

271

Hazen, Melvin C., President, Board of Commissioners of the District

of Columbia

275

Elliott, R. N., Acting Comptroller General of the United States

281

Neumann, David, Claims Division, General Accounting Office --- 292

Bell, E. W., Chief of the Audit Division, General Accounting Office 312

Tulloss, S. B., Chief of the Investigations, Office of Comptroller

General

316

Office

Ickes, Hon. Harold L., Secretary of the Interior.

McGuire, O. R., counsel for Comptroller General..

Selko, Dániel T., Brookings Institution ----

Reports of other Government Departments and Agencies.

342

353

366

422

435

REORGANIZATION OF THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES

MONDAY, AUGUST 2, 1937
SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON
GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION,

Washington, D. C. The committee met in room 201, Senate Office Building, at 10:30 a. m., Senator James F. Byrnes (chairman) presiding.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order. Dr. Merriam, will you please take this chair over here?

STATEMENT OF CHARLES E. MERRIAM, MEMBER OF PRESIDENT'S

COMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGEMENT The CHAIRMAN. Give the stenographer your name, please. Mr. MERRIAM. Charles E. Merriam.

The CHAIRMAN. Dr. Merriam, the committee has been meeting in executive session and you have heretofore testified before the committee in executive session. I wish that you would, this morning, explain the recommendations of the President's committee, particularly with reference to matters which have not been previously discussed by you and other members of the President's committee. Most .of the time of the executive session was devoted to discussion of the provisions affecting the General Accounting Office. I wish you would give to the committee your views with reference to other provisions of the bill.

Mr. MERRIAM. Mr. Chairman, I must apologize, in the first instance, for the absence of Mr. Louis Brownlow, who is the chairman of our committee. He has been ill for the last 2 months. He has not yet come back to his normal state of health and will not be able to be present at any of these hearings during the next week or so. I say that with regret, because Mr. Brownlow was not only the chairman but the leading spirit in the organization of our material and the shaping up of our findings. My other colleague, however, Dr. Gulick, is present and he is at your service at any time when you may require

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him.

I might, with your permission, Mr. Chairman, go back just a moment, since it is a long time since the executive sessions to recall something of the background of this report, and then go further into the detail to which you referred regarding other items than the Comptroller General.

This committee's report was an effort to bring better order out of what seems to be and is a jungle of Federal administration. This was an attempt to bring the United States Government, on the administrative side, down to date; an effort to embody in a report findings and conclusions that seem to represent a development of

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