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Minish, Hon. Joseph, a Representative in Congress from the State of New Jersey -

Page

749

Mottl, Hon. Ronald M., a Representative in Congress from the State of Ohio..

Nelson, Hon. Bill, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Florida....

Panuzio, Nicholas A., president, Panuzio Associates, Bridgeport,
Conn., on behalf of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce; accompanied
by William D. Kelleher, associate director for community and
regional development; and Paul A. Reardon, economist.
Ritter, James P., a representative of the Pennsylvania House of
Representatives, on behalf of the National Conference of State
Legislatures

Rubin, Florence R., urban policy chair, League of Women Voters of the United States..

Sklar, Morton H., revenue sharing project director, Center for Na-
tional Policy Review, Catholic University Law School.
Solomon, Sandra, director of government affairs, National Urban
Coalition; accompanied by Philip M. Dearborn, lecturer and con-
sultant to revenue sharing reform project, Howard University..
Staats, Elmer B., Comptroller General of the United States, U.S.
General Accounting Office_

Taylor, William, director, Center for National Policy Review...
Letters, statements, etc., submitted for the record by-

Altman, Roger C., Assistant Secretary for Domestic Finance, U.S.
Department of the Treasury:

Comments on testimony by Center for National Policy Review.
Information concerning noncontiguous States___

541

28

802

492

629

712

675

85

594

899–907 896

Beame, Abraham D., Chairman of the Advisory Commission on
Intergovernmental Relations:

Potential grant consolidation and number of grants involved.
Table 1.-Revenue sharing entitlements in selected central cities
and their suburbs.---

364

356

Table 2.-State share of total State-local tax revenue (frequency
distribution of States) -

358

360

Table 3.-State share of State-local expenditure from own funds.
Bonsal, Richard I., commissioner, and director, Department of Public
Works, Montclair, N.J.:

April 15, 1980, letter from Governor Byrne re distinction between
townships and municipalities..
Prepared statement___

800

752-798

Cantor, Arnold, assistant director, department of economic research,
American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial
Organizations:

Table 1.-State and local government outlays for new construc-
tion___.

730

Table 2.-Unemployment by selected State and metropolitan

areas.

732

Table 3.-Federal grants to States and localities...
Table 4.-State share of total State-local tax revenue.

734

739

Table 5.-State share of State-local expenditure from own funds.
Colby, Joseph, supervisor, Oyster Bay, N.J.: Prepared statement 376-381
Conway, James, mayor, St. Louis, Mo., representing the National
League of Cities: National GRS survey totals..

737

272-273

Corrada, Hon. Baltasar, Resident Commissioner of Puerto Rico:
Federal aid to State and local governments-1978_.
Income taxes__

568-569

571-572

State government tax collections and excise tax-1978-
Dearborn, Philip M., lecturer and consultant to revenue sharing reform
project, Howard University: Paper entitled "General Revenue
Sharing Audit Requirements'

574-575

676-702

DeGood, Douglas, mayor, Toledo, Ohio, representing the U.S.
Conference of Mayors: Conference of Mayors' 100-city survey--- 282-308
Edgar, Hon. Robert W., a Representative in Congress from the State
of Pennsylvania:

Funds passed through to local governments..
Prepared statement...

80

48-55

Letters, statements, etc.-Continued

Fazio, Hon. Vic, a Representative in Congress from the State of Page
California: Prepared statement.
580-584
Fountain, James R., Jr., city auditor, Dallas, Tex., representing the
Municipal Finance Officers Association: Prepared statement. 202-228
Fountain, Hon. L. H., a Representative in Congress from the State of
North Carolina, and chairman, Intergovernmental Relations and
Human Resources Subcommittee: Additional material supplied for
the record..

823-852

318-333

668-674

Francois, Francis B., councilman, Prince Georges County, representing
the National Association of Counties: Prepared statement
Ginsburg, Woodrow, director, research and public policy, Center for
Community Change: Prepared statement...
Hammerschmidt, Hon. John Paul, a Representative in Congress from
the State of Arkansas: Prepared statement...
Hughes, Harry, Governor of the State of Maryland, on behalf of the
National Governors' Association:

588-593

Information concerning severance taxes_
Prepared statement__

491

428-479

Hyde, Hon. Henry J., a Representative in Congress from the State of
Illinois: Prepared statement..

382-419

Jones, Hon. James R., a Representative in Congress from the State of
Oklahoma: Prepared statement...

26-27

Kindness, Hon. Thomas N., a Representative in Congress from the
State of Ohio:

547-553

House bill concerning revenue sharing-
Prepared statement...

557-565

Litwin, Theodore, first selectman of Litchfield, Conn., representing the National Association of Towns and Townships: May 6, 1980, letter to Chairman Fountain, from Barton D. Russell, executive director, NATAT, re how many towns or townships are inactive units of government.

349-351

Luken, Hon. Thomas A., a Representative in Congress from the State of Ohio: Prepared statement...

64-66

233-263

Marlin, Dr. John Tepper, president, Council on Municipal Performance: Prepared statement...

Marshall, James F., executive director, Assembly of Governmental
Employees: Prepared statement_ __

536-539

Miller, Hon. George, a Representative in Congress from the State of
California: Prepared statement...

580-584

Miller, G. William, Secretary of the Treasury, U.S. Department of the
Treasury: Prepared statement..

860-869

Mollohan, Hon. Robert H., a Representative in Congress from the
State of West Virginia: Prepared statement..

72-76

Nelson, Hon. Bill, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Florida: Prepared statement...

41-43

Panuzio, Nicholas A., president, Panuzio Associates, Bridgeport,
Conn.: Prepared statement_ _ .

806-821

Pashayan, Hon. Charles, Jr., a Representative in Congress from the
State of California: Prepared statement_-_.

57-62

Railsback, Hon. Tom, a Representative in Congress from the State of
Illinois: Prepared statement..

67-69

Rattley, Jessie M., president, National League of Cities: Prepared

statement.

267-270

Ritter, James P., a representative of the Pennsylvania House of Representative, on behalf of the National Conference of State Legislatures:

Prepared statement_

525-534

Recommendations concerning categorical grants___.

500-516

Rubin, Florence R., urban policy chair, League of Women Voters of the United States:

Prepared statement.

658-665

Report entitled "Citizen Participation and General Revenue

Sharing, 1976–80”

631-656

Letters, statements, etc.-Continued

Sklar, Morton H., revenue sharing project director, Center for National Policy Review, Catholic University Law School: Information on jurisdictions which did not comply fully with citizen participation requirements..

Page

715-716

Solomon, Sandra, director of government affairs, National Urban
Coalition:

Prepared statement_ __

Prepared statement on behalf of M. Carl Holman..

704

705-709

Staats, Elmer B., Comptroller General of the United States, U.S.
General Accounting Office:

Information concerning single audit concept..

189

Opportunities to achieve savings in Federal assistance programs
through legislative enactment of proposals contained in GAO
reports____

140-163

Prepared statement..

91-124

Statement concerning our report on the problems involved with
grant auditing...

165-179

States funds passed through to local governments in fiscal year
1978..

132-134

Taylor, William, director, Center for National Policy Review: Prepared statement.

597-628

Vander Jagt, Hon. Guy, a Representative in Congress from the State
of Michigan: Prepared statement____
Wydler, Hon. John W., a Representative in Congress from the State
of New York: May 15, 1979, letter to the Speaker of the House of
Representatives, from the Secretary of the Treasury, re enactment of
legislation to authorize continuation of an existing program.

70-71

855

STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL ASSISTANCE ACT OF 1972

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 19, 1980

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,
INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS

AND HUMAN RESOURCES SUBCOMMITTEE

OF THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS,

Washington, D.C. The subcommittee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:45 a.m., in room 2247, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. L. H. Fountain (chairman of the subcommittee) presiding.

Present: Representatives L. H. Fountain, Ted Weiss, Mike Synar, John W. Wydler, Clarence J. Brown, and Olympia J. Snowe.

Also present: Representative Frank Horton of New York.

Staff present: Delphis C. Goldberg, professional staff member; Pamela H. Welch, secretary; and John Faso, minority professional staff, Committee on Government Operations.

Mr. FOUNTAIN. The subcommittee will come to order.

Since some of you will have to leave early, I will yield first to Mr. Wydler. I will make my statement later.

Mr. WYDLER. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I am pleased this morning that the subcommittee will begin consideration of one of the most important and successful domestic programs general revenue sharing.

It seems like only yesterday that our subcommittee last considered this program. You will recall that last time the subcommittee spent many hours and over 15 days of hearings in a thorough examination of the program.

The fact that we fulfilled our oversight responsibilities on this matter can largely be attributed to the conscientious manner in which this subcommittee, under your leadership, Mr. Chairman, conducted its business.

Though we are not scheduled for as many days of hearings this time around, I know that the committee work will be no less important.

While I am pleased with you, Mr. Chairman, I must say I am anything but pleased with the administration. In fact, I am appalled that Secretary Miller is not before us here this morning to explain the administration's position on the largest piece of domestic legislation which the Congress will consider during this session.

However, we alone should not be affronted. I am told that the administration also decided not to appear before Senator Bradley's subcommittee just a few weeks ago.

Perhaps everyone in the Treasury Department and the White House staff has been too busy traveling around the country to selected

primary States. Indeed, I am told that one of the reasons the administration is not here this morning is that a detailed announcement of proposed cuts in the budget is being withheld until after the New York primary next Tuesday.

I would hope that in between the primaries the administration could find some time to run the country, though I think it rather unlikely. Many times issues seem to get narrowed down to one or two points of contention. So it is here.

There is little doubt that Congress will reenact the local share of revenue sharing in some form or other. However, the big issue will be whether or not State governments will continue to participate.

I believe they should, and I believe it would be a mistake for Congress to take them out.

We hear this argument about States' surplus. The argument goes something like this: Why should the Federal Government, while running a deficit, give revenue sharing moneys to State governments while they have a surplus?

I think the argument is superficial since it ignores the important points.

The real question should be, if that rationale is used, why should States be eligible for any of the more than $82 billion in aid that the Federal Government makes available to States and localities?

I would hope that witnesses who come before us during our hearings will be able to tell me why they think States should not get revenue sharing, but should continue to be eligible for highway aid, water aid, sewer construction, and so forth, to the tune of about $82 billion of Federal funds.

Why single out revenue sharing?

I suspect that those pointing to the State share really do not support the program anyway. But they know that they cannot eliminate the local portion.

Second, why go after revenue sharing when it has been one of the most successful programs ever devised to aid States and localities by the Federal Government?

Not only has it been the most successful, but it also has been one of the most responsible from a budgetary point of view.

According to the House Budget Committee, general revenue sharing payments over the last 5 years have increased at a rate of 12 percent. On the other hand, AFDC has gone up 31 percent. Social service programs have increased 48 percent. Highway programs have gone up 48 percent. Elementary and secondary education programs have gone up 51 percent. Unemployment payments have increased 66 percent.

EPA water programs have gone up 78 percent. Medicaid has gone up 81 percent. Health services have gone up 81 percent. CETA has gone up 152 percent. Subsidized housing has gone up 156 percent. Mass transit grants are up 247 percent.

All of these may be worthwhile programs, but I fail to see the logic in cutting the one program that has added the least to the Federal deficit.

What is the administration doing about the almost 500 individual categorical grant-in-aid programs which spread the bureaucracy rules and regulations over America? State and local officials would much prefer the Congress to make cuts in categorical aid.

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