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CLARENCE CANNON, Missouri, Chairman GEORGE H. MAHON, Texas

BEN F. JENSEN, Iowa HARRY R. SHEPPARD, California

WALT HORAN, Washington ALBERT THOMAS, Texas

GERALD R. FORD, Michigan MICHAEL KIRWAN, Ohio

HAROLD C. OSTERTAG, New York JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi

FRANK T, BOW, Ohio GEORGE W. ANDREWS, Alabama

CHARLES RAPER JONAS, North Carolina JOHN J. ROONEY, New York

MELVIN R, LAIRD, Wisconsin J. VAUGHAN GARY, Virginia

ELFORD A. CEDERBERG, Michigan JOHN E. FOGARTY, Rhode Island

GLENARD P. LIPSCOMB, California ROBERT L. F. SIKES, Florida

JOHN J. RHODES, Arizona OTTO E. PASSMAN, Louisiana

JOHN R. PILLION, New York JOE L. EVINS, Tennessee

WILLIAM E. MINSHALL, Ohio EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts ROBERT H. MICHEL, Mlinois WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky

SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts DANIEL J. FLOOD, Pennsylvania

WILLIAM H. MILLIKEN, JR., Pennsylvania WINFIELD K. DENTON, Indiana

EARL WILSON, Indiana TOM STEED, Oklahoma

ODIN LANGEN, Minnesota JOSEPH M. MONTOYA, New Mexico

WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON, Wyoming GEORGE E. SHIPLEY, Mlinols

BEN REIFEL, South Dakota
JOHN M. SLACK, JR., West Virginia

LOUIS C. WYMAN, New Hampshire
JOHN LESINSKI, Michigan
JOHN J. FLYNT, JR., Georgia
NEAL SMITH, Iowa
ROBERT N. GIAIMO, Connecticut
JULIA BUTLER HANSEN, Washington
EDWARD R. FINNEGAN, Illinois
CHARLES S. JOELSON, New Jersey
JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York
JOHN J. MCFALL, California

KENNETH SPRANKLE, Olerk and Staf Director

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DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS FOR

1965

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11, 1964.

RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TEST, AND EVALUATION

WITNESSES

HON. HAROLD BROWN, DIRECTOR OF DEFENSE RESEARCH AND

ENGINEERING BEN G. HUFF, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF REVIEW AND SERVICES,

0.D.D.R. & E.

Mr. Mahon. Dr. Brown, we are pleased to have you before the committee again. We always look forward to your appearance with anticipation. If there is a more interesting committee in Congress than this one, I do not know what it is. We deal in very interesting matters and among the interesting witnesses who appear before us, Dr. Brown, none surpass you.

We are concerned about the present status of military affairs and about the direction of our military programs. We want to know where we are now, and we think we know somewhat, but more especially we want to know where are we going to be 3 years, 5 years, 7 years, or 10 years from now.

You are the director of the office where those kinds of things are considered continuously, I hope.

I observe that your statement is a rather lengthy one, and understandably so, and I suggest that you proceed with your presentation.

We will not interrupt you for lengthy interruption, but some erruptions might be in order from time to time to clarify certain points.

U.S. MILITARY POSTURE

How do you feel generally, Mr. Director, in regard to the status of our defenses and the prospects for our continued superiority in the field of military weaponry?

Dr. Brown. I would say, Mr. Chairman, that our current status is excellent and that our prospects, provided we make the correct choices and carry out adequate development programs, are also very good.

I do not believe it is possible for us to be ahead in everything, simply because if the other side wants to select one thing and push very hard on it, they can make great advances. I do not believe that Tre want to be in the position of having to react to every spectacular phase in every area they choose to make a good push on. Our judgments may differ from those of the Soviet military planners about what is needed, and the needs themselves may be different for us than

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