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DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1965

SUBCOMMITTEE ON DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS
GEORGE H. MAHON, Texas, Chairman

HARRY R. SHEPPARD, California
ROBERT L. F. SIKES, Florida
JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi
GEORGE W. ANDREWS, Alabama
DANIEL J. FLOOD, Pennsylvania

ALBERT THOMAS, Texas

GERALD R. FORD, JR., Michigan

HAROLD C. OSTERTAG, New York
MELVIN R. LAIRD, Wisconsin

GLENARD P. LIPSCOMB, California

WILLIAM E. MINSHALL, Ohio

ROBERT L. MICHAELS and S. RALPH PRESTON, Staff Assistants to the Subcommittee

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Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations

WASHINGTON: 1964.

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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

CLARENCE CANNON, Missouri, Chairman

GEORGE H. MAHON, Texas
HARRY R. SHEPPARD, California
ALBERT THOMAS, Texas
MICHAEL KIRWAN, Ohio
JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi
GEORGE W. ANDREWS, Alabama
JOHN J. ROONEY, New York
J. VAUGHAN GARY, Virginia
JOHN E. FOGARTY, Rhode Island
ROBERT L. F. SIKES, Florida
OTTO E. PASSMAN, Louisiana
JOE L. EVINS, Tennessee

EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts
WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky
DANIEL J. FLOOD, Pennsylvania
WINFIELD K. DENTON, Indiana
TOM STEED, Oklahoma

JOSEPH M. MONTOYA, New Mexico GEORGE E. SHIPLEY, Illinois JOHN M. SLACK, JB., West Virginia JOHN LESINSKI, Michigan

BEN F. JENSEN, Iowa

WALT HORAN, Washington

GERALD R. FORD, Michigan

HAROLD C. OSTERTAG, New York

FRANK T. BOW, Ohio

CHARLES RAPER JONAS, North Carolina
MELVIN R. LAIRD, Wisconsin

ELFORD A. CEDERBERG, Michigan
GLENARD P. LIPSCOMB, California
JOHN J. RHODES, Arizona
JOHN R. PILLION, New York
WILLIAM E. MINSHALL, Ohio
ROBERT H. MICHEL, Illinois
SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts
WILLIAM H. MILLIKEN, JR., Pennsylvania
EARL WILSON, Indiana

ODIN LANGEN, Minnesota

WILLIAM HENRY HARRISON, Wyoming BEN REIFEL, South Dakota

LOUIS C. WYMAN, New Hampshire

JOHN J. FLYNT, JR., Georgia

NEAL SMITH, Iowa

ROBERT N. GIAIMO, Connecticut

JULIA BUTLER HANSEN, Washington EDWARD R. FINNEGAN, Illinois CHARLES S. JOELSON, New Jersey JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York JOHN J. MCFALL, California

KENNETH SPRANKLE, Clerk and Staff Director

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DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS FOR

1965

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 11, 1964.

RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TEST, AND EVALUATION

WITNESSES

HON. HAROLD BROWN, DIRECTOR OF DEFENSE RESEARCH AND ENGINEERING

BEN G. HUFF, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF REVIEW AND SERVICES, O.D.D.R. & E.

Mr. MAHON. Dr. Brown, we are pleased to have you before the committee again. We always look forward to your appearance with anticipation. If there is a more interesting committee in Congress than this one, I do not know what it is. We deal in very interesting matters and among the interesting witnesses who appear before us, Dr. Brown, none surpass you.

We are concerned about the present status of military affairs and about the direction of our military programs. We want to know where we are now, and we think we know somewhat, but more especially we want to know where are we going to be 3 years, 5 years, 7 years, or 10 years from now.

You are the director of the office where those kinds of things are considered continuously, I hope.

I observe that your statement is a rather lengthy one, and understandably so, and I suggest that you proceed with your presentation. We will not interrupt you for lengthy interruption, but some interruptions might be in order from time to time to clarify certain points.

U.S. MILITARY POSTURE

How do you feel generally, Mr. Director, in regard to the status of our defenses and the prospects for our continued superiority in the field of military weaponry?

Dr. BROWN. I would say, Mr. Chairman, that our current status is excellent and that our prospects, provided we make the correct choices and carry out adequate development programs, are also very good. I do not believe it is possible for us to be ahead in everything, simply because if the other side wants to select one thing and push very hard on it, they can make great advances. I do not believe that we want to be in the position of having to react to every spectacular phase in every area they choose to make a good push on. Our judgments may differ from those of the Soviet military planners about what is needed, and the needs themselves may be different for us than

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