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plan and design of a Theological Institution for the improvement of the junior preachers of the Wesleyan body. Several of the small friends of the measure, have been anxious to prove that the worthy Doctor, had been guilty of Warrenizing, that, he, before his lamented decease, with our dear and infatuated Dr. Warren, repented his having sanctioned a design “in some sinful moment of expediency,” which was fraught with so much mischief to the best interests of the connexion at large. Those who were honoured with the personal acquaintance of Dr. Clarke, will know full well how to treat such a dishonourable quirk as this. Some interested individual inserted a letter in that compound of base calumny and falsehood of the blackest kind, and which bears a lie in its very cognomen, the CHRISTIAN Advocate, professing to come from a branch of the family of the late Doctor, in which it is asserted that he was decidedly and conscientiously opposed to all such institutions. At this I confess I was at first startled, unable to believe that our venerated friend should act like the dear Doctor of Chancery notoriety, who wished to institute a monopoly of learning, and dreaded lest any should be “as larn’d as he.” All my momentary agitation, however, became evanescent when I met with the following sentiments, uttered by Dr. Clarke and published by his authority, which I am justified in considering genuine, and far more authentic than any thing which may appear in the columns of that mendacious periodical, to which I have already too much alluded. When the character of a publication is wrecked, the testimony it occasionally volunteers is not worth a rush! The case is now simply the un-Christian Advocate versus Dr. Adam Clarke The former declares that the Doctor was opposed to a Theological Institution. Dr. Clarke “ being dead, yet speaketh," and he says— what? “We want some kind of seminary for educating such workmen for the vineyard of our God, as need not be ashamed." " I introduced a conversation on the subject this morning; and the preachers were unanimously of opinion that somes trong efforts should be made without delay, to get such a place established, either at Bristol or London, where young men who may be deemed fit for the work, may have, were it but twelve months' or even half a year's previous instruction in theology, in vital godliness, in practical religion, in English grammar, and the rudiments of general knowledge."-" Every circuit cries out, send us acceptable preachers. How can we do this? We are obliged to take what offers."-" The time is coming and now is, when illiterate piety can do no more for the interests and permanency of the work of God, than lettered irreligion did formerly.”—“Speak, O speak speedily to all your friends. Let us get a place organised without delay. Let us have something that we can lay matured before the Conference. God, I hope, is in the proposal.” Such was the pious and nervous language of Dr. Clarke on this topic, and those who are wishful to convict him of Warrenizing are ignorant of his unblemished character, and uncompromising integrity.

I come now to refer to the conduct of Dr. Clarke in regard to the Leeds affair; and, notwithstanding the antipathy which he constantly exhibited to instrumental music, am I to bring myself to the degrading conclusion, that he sanctioned the outrageous conduct of those men who only constituted the organ the bush from behind which the emissaries of discord might shoot their Parthian arrows ? Sir, from his soul did he abhor the proceedings of those agitators; and, during the whole of the six days' discussion, which took place on that memorable occasion, Dr. Clarke did not utter a single sentence of disapprobation of the measures adopted by the Conference. His righteous soul was grieved at the enormous wickedness of the Leeds malcontents, and not a word of dissent escaped his lips, when the thanks of the Conference, by an overwhelming majority, were presented to the special district meeting, and the preachers then stationed in that town. If the Doctor had thought that the Conference was “ doing the Devil's work,” and “ doing that work as the Devil wished,” would he-the honest, plain-spoken, straight-forward, sin-hating, and God-fearing Dr. Clarke-have sat a silent spectator of those iniquitous proceedings, and by his silence become a partaker with them in their guilt ? You know he would not! The whole Methodist community would rise and indignantly utter-NO! That foul slander which re-acts upon the character of the pious Dr. Clarke, is worthy only of those pages in which I find it; it is a scurrilous libel on the fair fame of that venerable man, and an expression highly derogatory to his reputation as a gentleman and a Christian!

On this subject I have not yet finished. Dr. Clarke's acquiescence in the proceedings of the Conference on the Leeds business, was not of a tacit kind. In reference to the just and well-merited suspension of Matthew Johnson, about which such a mighty fuss was made, the Doctor declared it as his judgment, that Mr. Grindrod had acted in perfect agreement with the law in passing sentence upon Mr. Johnson, adding, " THAT AS MR. J. HAD FULLY ADMITTED THE CHARGE BROUGHT AGAINST MIM, THERE WAS NOTHING TO GO TO THE JUKY.” After the whole case had been brought before the Conference, Dr. Clarke accidentally met Mr. Grindrod contiguous to the platform, and with all that cordiality, friendship, and good humour for which he was distinguished, he placed his hands on the shoulders of Mr. G. and said, “Brother Grindrod, you shall not be censured, you HAVE DONE NOTHING WORTHY OF IT.” The above I have from authority the most unquestionable, and which I am willing to produce when you, Mr. Editor, think fit to call for it. The expression which is reported to have been uttered by the Doctor at the house of his friend in Birmingham, is nothing less than a vile imputation on his sincerity and integrity, and which his friend, Mr. Hickling, has triumphantly refuted, to the entire satisfaction of every reasonable and intelligent man. The parallel which some have attempted to draw between the two Doctors, Clarke and Warren, is as fulsome as it is unjust. The difference between them is as great as that between the farthing candle, shedding a feeble glimmer in the recesses of a cellar, and the sun-which illuminates the evil and the good! ALEPH.


Sir-As Dr. Warren is engaged in a tour through the “length and breadth of the land,” for the purpose of “raising the wind,” to pay the expenses of his late unsuc. 'cessful suits in Chancery, and as I perceive his tale is got quite tríte and threadbare, I have supplied him with another; to which I invite his attention, and that of your readers.

“My dear good people I beseech your courteous, candid, and pious attention, whilst I relate the cause or causes of my standing before you in the character of a mendicant. A sketch of my early life has appeared in Blackwood's Magazine, from the romantic pen of my son, who really is a clever fellow, and the pride and oracle of his father. But as you are all Methodists-(or something else-aside)-I shall speak only of my Methodistical career. This I commenced with some piety, a little modesty, a sprinkling of common sense, and not a little singularity. I used to say at that time,

I must be singular, or I should be lost! Some persons say, that I retain nothing but my singularity ; but they are poor mistaken men, and I pity them. I passed my junior years without observation-was scarcely known beyond the limits of my own circuitand this was much to my advantage. I always professed to be a liberal; when, therefore, I became superintendent, I determined not to be ruled, but to be liberal in my own way, as all true liberals have been before me: consequently, when two large societies in the Sunderland circuit complained that I did not give them enough preaching, and presumptuously requested more, I took it in dudgeon, and piously and in the fear of God, determined they should have none at all. I put them at once off the plan; but my laudable design was frustrated by a neighbouring tyrannical superintendent, who, though with considerable inconvenience to himself, took them into his circuit. My colleagues used to say, and still affirm, as I am told, that with all my show of liberality, I was somewhat of a tyrant; but this is a foul slander, when directed against Samuel Warren, who would rather act upon the opinions' of other people, than abide by his own. Nor could my attempt to sell a chapel in Scotland, without the consent of Conference, in which I was successfully opposed by one of my junior colleagues, who had little veneration for my age and wisdom, be fairly construed, after mature and deep thought,' into a contradiction of the preceding assertion; though by it I, of course, felt disappointed. During this time I had acquired a smatiering of classical knowledge, and some 'dictionary learning,'--though, up to this day, I cannot at all times write English grammatically, as the first page of my “ Address' proves; but I account for this on the ground of my attention to other, and what are still to me, comparatively, “unknown tongues. I am aware that some small friends account for it in another way. After a time, and with much labour-and by adding to my costume what has been irreverently called, a red monkey's tail,' I managed to procure the degree of Master of Arts. I then felt—what I consider, with all deference,' to be-a laudable desire to become Doctor Warren. I got another station in Scotland, and spent a great deal of time, not so much as a Methodist preacher as an University graduate. I applied very assiduously to certain Doctors for testimonials--as to my learning, &c. &c.—and in some instances was ungraciously refused; particularly by one, who was a brother preacher. Thus was I again disappointed. However, after a great fuss, I procured LL.D. I then, of course, thought that the highest offices in the connexion were at my command, as they hed been in the case of Dr. Adam Clarke--for a Doctor is a Doctor; but the stupidity of my brethren prevented their thinking as I, with my enlarged and superior mind, did; and, therefore, when I said, make me president-they said, 'call again to-morrow.' At the last Manchester Conference, I desired the office of senior Missionary secretary ; but the committee refused my application, and elected my antipathy. At another Conference, despite all my arguments, a sentence of a special district meeting at which I was a principal man, was reversed and declared 'cruel.' Thus, disappointment fol. lowed disappointment. To say nothing of the rejection of my · Digest of Methodistical Law,' upon which I had spent so much pains, as the standard of our discipline; in consequence of which, the two volumes which were published at 12s may be obtained for 4s-a discount of 667 per cent. I came, therefore, to the 1st Manchester circuit, as my opponents would say, 'soured. I bowed to one, with a grace that belongs only to myself-I nursed the radicalism of the radicals-was the humble servant of all and became a favourite. Thus I prepared for my late grand attack upon the Conference. I approved of the Institution, and wished it to be called a College! till I found that there was no chance of my being made either an officer in it, or missionary secretary. It was then that I determined to get rid of the mask, which I had so long worn with great inconvenience, and which, to say the truth, was getting rather thin and nearly worn out. I tried to make a speech in the Conference, condemnatory of the whole affair, but, as I began to abuse individuals, they refused to hear me. All this, it is necessary to say, was done conscientiously and in the fear of God. I then, though dissuaded from it, published the speech, which certainly sold well, and made a great stir. The preachers remonstrated with me, and wished me to suppress it. This I most obstinately refused; and when brought to trial at a special district meeting-which I acknowledged over and over again, was the only course left my brethren-I resolutely refused to take my trial, because Mr. Bromley, my friend, was not allowed to remain, after he had grossly insulted the meeting. I was then, as you know, suspended; upon which I did all in my power to “agitate” the Methodist body, by bidding defiance to all rule and usage. Moreover, I determined heroically, but not vindictively or wickedly, I assure you, far be it from me! to appeal to the Vice-chancellor, who decided the cause against me, and gave me what I consider to be a very impertinent lecture. But I was not to be thus stopped, and though dissuaded from the attempt by my legal friends, I referred the case to Lord Lyndhurst, who, my son assured me, would reverse the decision, in consequence of an article which he (my son), has written in Blackwood, laudatory of his Lordship. But his Lordship too decided against me, very much to my mortification, I assure you. Yet no wonder, his Lordship is a Tory, and the Conference are Tories. I regret the Whigs were not in office at the time. But a truce to politics. Thus I am saddled with a tremendous debt which must be paid shortly somehow. I built a Tabernacle in Manchester to oppose Oldham-street, and this has increased my responsibilities. My friends of the Grand Central Association are not so ready and liberal with their subscriptions as I expected. One, a great man, promised me £100; but has deducted £15 for travelling expenses to London and back. Some will not give me any thing because I have not won,' which you know is not my fault but my misfortune. A millstone is round my neck;' and matters would be worse, did I not keep possession of the house belonging to the trustees of Oldham-street chapel—which some say is very mean and paltry, and which I would not do if I could do better; but of that I have no prospect at present. I beseech you, there: fore, Christian friends, as you value your liberties and me their defender; as you admire obstinacy, I beg pardon, I should have said firmness of purpose; as you respect consistency; as you would keep me out of jail to which I am willing after all to go if you think proper; as you venerate the name of my great forerunner, Alexander Kilham, of blessed memory; as you would ruin the Wesleyan Missions, schools, and trustees; as you would starve the old and afflicted preachers, widows, and orphans; as you would “ reduce Methodism to a state of ruin,” to

Put your money in the plate,

Or I, your preacher, cannot eat.' I would just observe, in conclusion, that the balance has been against me in several of my journies, and, therefore, I earnestly hope for a good collection this evening.” Manchester.



We perfectly coincide in opinion with our correspondent, in reference to the great northern tale which appeared in the last Lantern. To the triple calling of the Association we must now add the oflice of publishing reputed facts, the knowledge of which it was impossible for them to obtain but by the most deeply dishonourable means. In reply to a gentleman in Sunderland, who remarked that the local meetings bad not sufficient power, a minister of this town is said to have advised the people to draw their purse-strings tighter. Mr. Hichling, of Birmingbam, has very properly cleared himself of the unutter:

abie baseness of betraying his friend, Dr. Clarke, by reporting private conversations said to have taken place in his own house, and we doubt not Mr. Vint is equally honourable. Both gentlemen, it seems, are beset by snakes in the grass, who turn out to be in correspondence with an Association of creatures like themselves. It is uncertain whether this be an original story, or a new edition of an old one, improved and adapted to present circumstances, as the Leeds protestants say the remark was made in their town and to another person. If the thing ever occurred, it was on this principle, that some weak people have been so often told by such men as Gordon, that the preachers are “just like" highwaymen and pickpockets-that when they talk of a want of “power," they are really afraid of being robbed; and this minister thinks that the best way to tranquillize their minds, is to convince them that their money is certainly under their own control. But the “system" said to be recommended in Sunderland is not that which is “tried" at present. A few years ago, when common decency was respected, those who closed their “purse" thought themselves bound in honour also to shut their mouths; and, as some of them had long done much more harm by their speeches than good by their contributions, the loss of both was a clear gain to the connexion. As to the present “ system," which consists in an endless attempt to sub vert Methodism, after having clearly forfeited all moral right to meddle with it at all, by ceasing to sup. port it, certain we are that it could not possibly be recommended by any honest man.

A correspondent reminds us that the Association are very much “disgusted" with our paper about the “convicts" in another hemisphere, and say that it is a very low." We hope they will candidly allow that, as disputants, we are obliged to meet our opponents on their own ground; and that this theatre, whether high or “low," was first selected by their oracle, Gordon, when he said the preachers were “just like highwaymen," who wished to “rob and murder" him. The conception was once thought to be so sublime that, at Manchester, it was “listened to with intense interest," and "cheered for a considerable time." It is plain, from the Lantern, that people may sometimes mistake their own abilities, and it seems we have done so; for, we thought, the idea was lofty rather than "low," By including in the Association all expelled persons, on both sides of the world, a circumference was provided worthy of the “Grand Central," and seemed to make the whole affair "grand" indeed.But we have been mistaken; and as people sometimes go from one extreme to the other, we now believe it to be utterly impossible for any man to raise such a "low" thing as the delegate meeting. Six persons met at Stockport, some of them not even members of the Methodist society, and, after some deliberation and carefully looking at the matter on all sides, four of them were finally dubbed “delegates" by the other two, and sent to legislate for the Wesleyan connexion. We admit that this is "low,' even beneath contempt; and maintain, that even the genius of Milton could not make it otherwise.

Our correspondent is not quite correct in saying that the Association separate many things, and unite none. Thongh Gordon has separated the Dudley “leaders' meeting" from the Conference, it is to remain in strict connexion with his own dramshop, and to be employed in restoring its respectability, which was thought to be damaged by the “light words " of Mr. Wesley. The avocation of the Christian Advocate is not quite simple, but at least twofold. However zealously he may endeavour to separate the church from the state, he labours with equal assiduity, from week to week, to unite Methodism with “ Morison's pills." This principle of union “extends through all the extent" of his labours for the sins of the Methodist preachers, the virtues and exploits of Dr. Warren, and every thing else are all tacked to the pills." We should not wonder but the Conference, bad as it is said to be, might easily convert that bitter enemy into a friend, if it would only submit to make “a proper use of its authority," and consummate this union by recommending to all the Methodists and their friends throughout the world, to begin forthwith to take a certain quantity of the “pills," and go on increasing the number every day, so long as there was life or property remaining. But this must be done quickly, if it is done at all, for the c. pills," the “balm of gilead," and every thing else, is likely to be soon eclipsed by the healing virtues of the preachers' fund," recently discovered. An Irish minister, who has long been ailing, infirm, and not merely useless, but a burden to the church, having received a sum of money from this famous “ fund," has suddenly become hale and strong, and is now labouring in Liverpool, Manchester, and elsewhere, with distinguished efficiency and acceptance!

We present our cordial thanks to our Preston correspondent, for his illumination of the delegates from that town to the late futile meeting at Manchester, yclept provisional! Pomfret, it appears, was originally a roomite !-a party who separated from Methodism a few years ago, and so termed from their meetings being held in a room! He afterwards became a Wesleyan, and for a short time was a local preacher and leader; but not being permitted to preach when and where he pleased, among ranters and such like, during his connection with us, he joined the Protestant Methodists-alias “the orchard people." He is famed for nothing in Preston, but his opposition to the Wesleyan Methodists.-Johnstone, the second of the motley group from Preston, was a violent political radical, and a warm partizan of the notorious Henry Hunt-quondam M.P. and blacking maker. Like his brother delegate, Pomfret, he is one of the orchard, or Protestant Methodists, but never was connected with the Wesleyans.

Our correspondent, “A. B.," is informed that the four delegates from Stockport were delegated by a meeting composed of six people, of which they constituted two-thirds, only two of this number were members of the Methodist society; one of whom has been subsequently suspended from his office as a local preacher, and the other has written a letter to the Grand Central Secretary to withdraw his name.

The inquiries respecting James Lamb are numerous; our readers shall not be long kept in suspense respecting him. We shall then largely avail ourselves of our Irish correspondence.

ticle entitled “Leaders' Meetings," for the constitutional principles laid down therein, and for the answers it contains to several important queries which have been proposed by our readers, is, solely from its length, unavoidably postponed until our next. It found its way to the printing office, but could not receive insertion.

Communications have also been received from “Epsilon,"__"Omega,"_“Omicron,"_“R. D." *G.F.:—“A Friend to Methodism,”—“An Enemy to Duplicity,"_"Sigma,"--and “Mentor."

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We took occasion, in our last number but one, to combat the leading principle of the Manchester Delegates, as applicable to the divine appointment and powers of the ministry. We now take up the scriptural discipline of the church, with the intention of showing that it is directly opposed by the resolution, that the people “shall possess the right of interference in all its affairs." Had that resolution affirmed the right of every person to exercise his judgment in placing himself under the discipline of the church ;-taking, at the same time, the consequences; for which consequences he is only answerable to God;—then, we could have no ground of quarrel with the proposition. But when it is assumed that, after such person has voluntarily united himself to the Christian church, and placed himself under its regime, he possesses the “right to interfere in all its affairs," including the discipline which relates to himself—this involves a principle against which we demur. .

Discipline, in general, refers to two things': the order and communion of the church ; and the piety and morality of its professing members. . In the primitive and apostolical church we read of several kinds of offices-sacraments and ordinances—the preaching and administration of the word of life—the communion and fellowship of the saints ; together with the numerous duties and obligations the different parties owed to each other. The discipline of the church is, consequently, no other than the regular, united, and harmonious operation of the whole and entire system, according to the arrangement of its founder and Head. If we find from the word of God, that the offices, the ordinances, the preaching, the communion, and the duties of the fellowship are enjoined by Christ, then, discipline consists in every person occupying his right position and performing his own duty. This is, we conceive, the substance of Christian discipline itself; the power to watch over and superintend its execution is another thing, and must be separately considered. There is a difference betwixt legislation and magistracy. The supreme power of a state only possesses the right of legislation; but a magistracy is essential

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