Hearings

of the powers fighting the Axis, rather than be utilized in the diplomatic field.

Senator MCKELLAR. All we want you to do is keep the accounts straight.

Colonel AURAND. The accounts will be kept straight at the time the articles are delivered. That is the only time we can account for what each country receives.

Senator MCKELLAR. We want to know what we give to those we promised lend-lease aid, and we want to know all of it; and if you will change the language to see to that, it will be all right. If anybody does not feel that way about it, all they have to do is to say so, but as far as I am concerned I am sure the change would be proper. Lieutenant Colonel MoORE. We would like to have the bill as originally submitted to the House.

Senator MCKELLAR. All you want on this one is the $125,000,000. Lieutenant Colonel MOORE. We would like to have the other categories similarly changed.

Senator MCKELLAR. You want them all to go back?

Lieutenant Colonel MOORE. Yes, sir. We want all the items. included under title III-defense aid-on pages 11 and 12, returned to the regular War Department appropriations.

Senator O'MAHONEY. All of that title?

Lieutenant Colonel MOORE. Yes, sir.

Senator MCKELLAR. Well, this is a request you made since Friday or Saturday?

Lieutenant Colonel MOORE. Yes, sir. This request has been brought about by the declaration of war.

Senator MCKELLAR. Is there anything further you wish to say?

REMOVAL OF LIMITATION ON THE VALUE OF DEFENSE ARTICLES THAT MAY BE TRANSFERRED TO LEND-LEASE

Lieutenant Colonel MOORE. I would like to request that the original transfer language read as submitted to the House by the President's communication published in House Document No. 441.

Senator MCKELLAR. What page is that?

Lieutenant Colonel MOORE. On pages 7 and 8. The House revised the transfer language now included as a general provision which starts on line 22, on page 7 and ends on line 7 of page 8.

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Senator MCKELLAR. The general provision, you mean? Lieutenant Colonel MOORE. Yes, sir; the general provision. Senator MCKELLAR. Which reads, "Whenever the President deems it to be in the interest of national defense," and so forth; and the provision is "* that the value of the defense articles disposed of in any way under this paragraph shall not exceed $500,000,000." Lieutenant Colonel MOORE. Yes, sir. We would like to have the original language as submitted to the House substituted for that proviso.

Senator MCKELLAR. Read that language.

Lieutenant Colonel MOORE. I am sorry I haven't that language. Senator MCKELLAR. The clerk says that it is here,

except that the value of the defense articles disposed of in any way under the authority of this paragraph shall not exceed $500,000,000.

That is the only change. You want that stricken out?

Colonel AURAND. Yes, sir. A provision for accounting is contained in the original Lend-Lease Act. It requires a report to the Congress of the amount transferred.

Senator McKELLAR. And that would include such a situation as this?

Colonel AURAND. Yes, sir. We are required to maintain accurate records.

Senator BROOKS. In changing that language so that all the facilities will be under the jurisdiction of the War Department, so that you can then allocate such material as is produced as you see fit, according to their request, it seems to me that gives you the right to take all of the manufactured material for your own Army. Is that right? Colonel AURAND. Yes, sir.

Senator BROOKS. Without any restriction on the facilities having been provided for lease-lend?

Colonel AURAND. That is correct.

Senator BROOKS. How large an Army at the present time would this $388,000,000 facilities provide for? What is the contemplated size of the Army that that facility would provide for, providing you used it all?

Colonel MOORE. I would like Major Heiss to answer that. Major HEISS. That cannot be answered in number of men. Senator BROOKS. Could it be answered in number of units? Major HEISS. It can be answered in types and quantities of equipment that were listed in our estimates, as to numbers of guns, numbers of tanks, numbers of armored cars, and so forth, that we were going to procure with the funds in this estimate before September 1943. We feel that we need this $388,000,000 to produce those in that time. It is hard to say in definite numbers of men or numbers. of units, because the equipment for the various units is changing from day to day, particularly motorized equipment, antiaircraft equipment, and antitank equipment. The equipment is becoming denser in units all the time.

GENERAL SOMERVELL. Do I understand that what you want is a proviso in the bill to state that the War Department will, on call, account to Congress for the amount of money that has been used for defense by country A, country B, country C, and country D? If that is what you want, there is certainly no objection to a statement in the law to that effect, because that is what we propose to give you. Colonel AURAND. That is already in the lend-lease law.

Senator BROOKS. The question I have is as to an understanding of the over-all size of the Army these productive facilities will provide for in case you use them yourself.

BASIS OF ESTIMATES

Colonel AURAND. I would like to quote the Chief of Staff's statement in the House as well as I remember it. About a billion and a quarter dollars of the 3.9 billion of equipment can definitely be absorbed in a 3,200,000-man army. This one-billion-five-hundred-andfifty-million odd dollars is based on known defense aid requirements for countries to be aided. The remainder is purely to increase pro

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ductive capacity. It is not based on any troop basis whatever. It was estimated to secure the necessary production per month of the articles for which increased production was necessary. They were primarily tanks

Senator BROOKS. And so far as you know today, the production facilities you are asking for here are to equip an Army of no larger than 3,200,000 men for the United States.

Colonel AURAND. That is correct.

Senator BROOKS. Can you tell me if you use the other balance for the lease-lend that you mentioned for your own Army, how large an army in round figures that would equip?

Colonel AURAND. I would like to put it this way. The value of the equipment for a 3,200,000-man Army, plus the Air Corps that is included in it, is in the nature of $20,000,000,000, so that the extra billion and a half might equip an extra 200,000 men. I think that is

right, if my arithmetic is correct.

Senator BROOKS. How many planes are contemplated in this addi

tional appropriation under the bill?

Colonel AURAND. There are no planes in this appropriation.
Senator BROOKS. None at all?

Colonel AURAND. No, sir.

SIZE OF ARMY

Senator NYE. Can you, in connection with the question Senator Brooks has been pursuing, furnish the committee with detailed information concerning the size of the Army and its several branches for the last 6 months, and during each month?

Colonel AURAND. Yes, sir; that can be put in the record. (The information referred to follows:)

Active Army strength, by arm or service, June 30, 1941