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Now, that comes down to title IV:

The Secretary of Defense may establish or develop installations and facilities required for advanced research projects and in connection therewith may acquire, construct, convert, rehabilitate, or install permanent or temporary public works, including land acquisition, site preparation, appurtenances, utilities, and equipment in the total amount of $50,000,000—

in authorization.

Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. He wants that. Now, where is the

Mr. KELLEHER. Mr. Johnson is not here, sir. Only Air Force today. The CHAIRMAN. All right. We must have him up, because this is research and development.

Mr. KELLEHER. ARPA; yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. That is right. What does the Air Force have to do with the general provisions?

Mr. KELLEHER. Nothing, sir, but there is one amendment that would go on page 56, following line 21 to take care of the roads at Patrick Air Force Base. You will recall that roads costing $357,000 were built down there, an access road, into Cape Canaveral, Patrick Air Force Base, and the General Accounting Office found that no authority existed for that.

The CHAIRMAN. That is right.

Mr. KELLEHER. So it was all cleared

The CHAIRMAN. They already spent the money.
Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir; and built the road.

The CHAIRMAN. And had no authority to do it.
Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir; that is correct.

The CHAIRMAN. Now we will have to bail them out. But we hope this won't happen any more.

You come up here and get your legislation and don't do that any more, because that gets you in trouble. You mustn't spend that which hasn't been authorized. And even if there is any doubt about it, you must give the doubt to the failure of authorizing it and not assume that it has been authorized.

General RENTZ. Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. We have a letter from the Comptroller about that. We can go along with you, but it mustn't happen any more, because if you do, somebody will get up-because another section of the law says something about that, too.

General RENTZ. Absolutely.
The CHAIRMAN. All right.
Now put that in, Mr. Kelleher.
Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Let that be the last time, General, that the Air Force slips up. And we will overlook it this time on the ground that you have so much to do and such a large sum to spend that it is most difficult to tell whether you have authority or do not have authority. Mr. BROOKS. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Now

Mr. BROOKS. In that 401 section there, under title IV, wouldn't that be a pretty good place to change that language so as to cover that $25 million extra there, and put it as the chairman suggested, under the $50 million?

Mr. KELLEHER. This is, of course, only for the Secretary of Defense, Mr. Brooks.

The CHAIRMAN. That is right.

Mr. KELLEHER. While the other 3-$25 million each-were for each service Secretary, this is for the Advanced Research Projects Agency. The CHAIRMAN. Now, Mr. Brooks has an amendment with reference to Barksdale

Mr. SMART. Troop housing at Barksdale.

The CHAIRMAN. Where does that come in?

Mr. BROOKS. Page 37, line 22, following the word "facilities", add the word "troop housing", and change the figures to $4,280,000. The CHAIRMAN. That is for two barracks?

Mr. BROOKS. Yes, two barracks for troops.

General RENTZ. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Costing how much?

General RENTZ. $925,000.

Mr. KELLEHER. For 400 spaces.

The CHAIRMAN. 400 spaces, troop barracks.

Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, the quarters you have there now are World War II quarters, mainly, aren't they?

General RENTZ. That is correct, mobilization type.

The CHAIRMAN. And we adopted a policy, as far as the Army is concerned, to try to build more modern quarters and get rid of these old quarters, and that is what this is for. Without objection, the item is agreed to.

Now, Mr. Kilday has an item for $12 million, with reference to a medical center.

Mr. KILDAY. I offer an amendment; on page 34, after line 21, add the following:

School of Aviation Medicine: In addition to all construction heretofore authorized, the Secretary of the Air Force is authorized to proceed with construction of operational and training facilities, research, development, and test facilities, supply facilities, hospital and medical facilities, administrative facilities, troop housing, community facilities, utilities, and ground improvements, at the School of Aviation Medicine, Brooks Air Force Base, Tex., in the amount of $12,000,000.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, insert that item in the proper place in the bill.

Now, that finishes the Air Force, does it not, General?

Mr. KELLEHER. One more item, Mr. Chairman.

General RENTZ. One more.

Mr. KELLEHER. The Air Force Academy.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes. What section

Mr. KELLEHER. That is section 309, on page 56, Mr. Chairman. It is for roads.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes. That same thing happened there, too, did it not?

Mr. GAVIN. Pardon me. What is the name of the project just inserted in the bill?

Mr. KELLEHER. Brooks Air Force Base, School of Aviation Medicine.

Mr. GAVIN. Brooks Air Force Base, School of Aviation Medicine.

The CHAIRMAN. That is where this man went up to the moon. They put in

[Laughter.]

The CHAIRMAN. What section is this, Mr. Kelleher?

Mr. KELLEHER. 309, sir, on page 56, line 18.

The CHAIRMAN. 309.

Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir; line 18, page 56.

The CHAIRMAN. 309?

Mr. KELLEHER. Section 309.

The CHAIRMAN. What page of my book?

Mr. KELLEHER. Page 56 of your bill, Mr. Chairman, line 18.

The CHAIRMAN. 56?

Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir; line 18.

The CHAIRMAN. Air Force Academy is further amended by striking-yes, that is raising the amount.

General RENTZ. Yes, sir; raising the amount of the previous authorization, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Are you building the Academy within the range that we put in when it was originally established?

General RENTZ. Colonel Noonan is the Academy representative. Colonel NOONAN. No, sir; we had $126 million authorized in fiscal year 1955, and in fiscal year 1958 we had $9,425,000, bringing the total of the Academy up now to $135,425,000, which includes $1,858,000 for the interim site.

The CHAIRMAN. Then it has only been increased by $10 million from what we originally established?

Colonel NOONAN. In round figures, yes, sir-$9,425,000.

Mr. KELLEHER. I would like to point out, Mr. Chariman, that this is not an increase in the sense of a deficiency.

The CHAIRMAN. I understand that.

Mr. KELLEHER. These are new items.

The CHAIRMAN. I understand that. This is for roads?

Colonel NOONAN. Yes, sir; this is for roadway facilities, $3,356,000; erosion control, $1 million; and storage base, diesel, $16,000. The CHAIRMAN. Making a total of what?

Colonel NOONAN. $4,372,000, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. All right.

Without objection, that is agreed to.

Now, General, let's see now. That leaves only $25 million to talk about?

General RENTZ. That is right, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, is there anything in the general provisions of the bill that you have to discuss?

General RENTZ. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. I suggest this, Mr. Kelleher, that you ask the Army, the Navy, and the Air Force, and Mr. Johnson, to come back tomorrow morning.

Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Let's try to wind it up.

Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. We have some provisions for each one of them in the bill.

Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Then we will read the bill with all amendments and then the committee will reach its decision.

Thank you very much, General. I want to compliment you

Mr. SMART. What about title V, the general provisions? Mr. Johnson can't speak to that.

The CHAIRMAN. Who speaks for that??

Mr. KELLEHER. Mr. Bryant is the one, normally, or his assistants. The CHAIRMAN. And ask Mr. Bryant to come back, now. Then we must go through this bill on these California items.

Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir. That is why the Navy will be here. The CHAIRMAN. All right. Have them all up tomorrow and we will try to finish the bill tomorrow. All right.

Thank you, General. And I want to compliment you and your staff for the splendid manner in which you prepared these books, because it gives all the information anyone needs to know to reach a correct decison. I want to thank you for the manner in which you addressed the committee on the various items.

I want to say that the Air Force, after 3 or 4 years in presenting bills to the committee, is certainly forceful and effective, and you have every reason to be proud.

Mr. GAVIN. Mr. Chairman, before we adjourn.

General RENTZ. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. GAVIN. I thought we were coming back to that defense missile, on page 45, section 302, that we cut from $317,500,000 to $287 million. Are we definitely settled on that, that that cut of $30 million is satisfactory?

Mr. KELLEHER. I believe that is approved.

The CHAIRMAN. Where is it?

Mr. GAVIN. Page 45, section 302.

The CHAIRMAN. We followed the general's suggestion. We only reduced it

General RENTZ. $30 million.

The CHAIRMAN. $30 million.

Mr. GAVIN. Are you satisfied with that?

General RENTZ. As long as we lump “A," "B," and "C" together, Mr. Gavin.

The CHAIRMAN. That is right.

General RENTZ. So we have flexibility to apply savings against overruns, I think we can do it, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Smart, try to get a quorum here tomorrow, because we want to vote on the bill tomorrow.

Thank you, members of the committee. Now we will recess until tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock.

(Whereupon, at 11:25 a. m., the committee adjourned, to reconvene at 10 a. m. Tuesday, June 10, 1958.)

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

Washington, D. C., Tuesday, June 10, 1958.

The committee met at 10 a. m., Hon. Carl Vinson (chairman) pre

siding.

The CHAIRMAN. Let the committee come to order.

Members of the committee, I think it is necessary this morning for us to consider section 401, title 4, of the bill:

The Secretary of Defense may establish or develop installations and facilities required for advanced research projects and in connection therewith may acquire, construct, convert, rehabilitate, or install permanent or temporary public works, including land acquisition, site preparation, appurtenances, utilities, and equipment, in the total amount of $50,000,000.

Now, this has relation to the work that is being carried on by the Advanced Research Projects Agency.

Now, members of the committee, we have the pleasure this morning of having the Director, Mr. Johnson, here to explain the justification for this lump-sum appropriation.

Mr. Director, it is a pleasure to have you before the committee this morning. We will accord you the privilege of making an uninterrupted statement with reference to why you should have blanket authority to spend $50 million for the Advanced Research Projects Agency.

Mr. JOHNSON. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, it is a pleasure for me to appear before the committee to discuss title 4 of the military construction authorization bill, which would authorize $50 million for installations and facilities required for advanced research projects.

In explaining this request for blanket authority, I should first tell you something of the purposes and operating methods of the Advanced Research Projects Agency.

Our frame of reference, since we were organized on February 7, 1958, has been the directive from the Secretary of Defense, which gives to the Advanced Research Projects Agency the responsibility for planning and directing advanced research projects involving space science and technology, ballistic missile defense and other advanced research and development as assigned from time to time by the Secretary.

The Advanced Research Projects Agency was organized to provide for the Department of Defense expedited and forward-looking research programs which in the past have been retarded by the necessity for a formal military requirement.

The organization of the Advanced Research Projects Agency is in recognition of the importance of pushing advanced research which may have military application even before we know whether the results will be fruitful and how any results achieved may be used.

By utilizing existing facilities of the military departments, other Government agencies, universities, and industry, it is believed that the Advanced Research Projects Agency can effectively carry out its responsibility with a very small staff of about 20 assistants, together with the necessary clerical and stenographic support.

In addition, arrangements have been made for the Institute of Defense Analysis to provide scientific and technical assistance with about 25 scientists.

In the future we anticipate additional contracts with universities and industry for studies and management-type activities.

Thus, it is not our intention to expand to a large organization that will require extensive laboratories, although there probably will be some modification to existing facility complexes to keep from impair

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