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including provision of additional pumps, fire hydrants, and new fire main loops in the four areas with substandard or no protection.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, the next item

Without objection, that item at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, is approved.

Now, the next one is a highly classified item. Admiral AILES. Our classified projects. The CHAIRMAN. (reading): The Secretary of the Navy may establish or develop classified naval installations and facilities by acquiring, constructing, converting, rehabilitating, or installing permanent or temporary public works, including land acquisition, site preparation, appurtenances, utilities, and equipment in the total amount of $65,001,000.

Now, I know something about this. Sixty million dollars here is exceedingly highly classified.

Mr. KELLEHER. This is open session. The CHAIRMAN. The committee knows in detail about what is going on. And unless the committee wants to go in executive sessionthis is very, very highly classified-we won't take it up now.

I think Mr. Kelleher has sufficient facts to warrant the committee acting favorably on this. We made other large expenditures on this item.

Mr. RIVERS. I move I have an amendment to change that $65 million to $75,297,000, which would include the $10,296,000 for the base

The CHAIRMAN. It doesn't fall in that same classification.
Mr. RIVERS. Yes, sir; that is what Mr. Kelleher says.
Mr. KELLEHER. This is where it would go, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. But I don't think from the facts developed here we are warranted in spending for [deleted].

Mr. Rivers. You see, the engineering has just come in. Admiral Ailes is prepared to testify on it.

If you want to go into it, you should. Otherwise, you just ought to accept the amendment. Because I know you are familiar with everything that is in it. And the $10 million, you heard him say awhile ago that he wants it and needs it and he asked for it.

The CHAIRMAN. Well, Mr. Rivers, it has not been approved by the Budget.

Mr. RIVERS. Mr. Chairman, I don't legislate by the Bureau of the Budget.

The CHAIRMAN. Wait. I know that, and neither do I. But neverthe less they have to pass on it.

Mr. RIVERS. I think the least we can do is go into it.

The CHAIRMAN. All right. You want to go into the question why you should get $10 million more for the Polaris bases before these submarines have been even laid down?

I think we ought to be a litlte more orderly in our procedure.
Mr. RIVERS. That is not exactly the point, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. He has faciltiies now for his five
Mr. RIVERS. No, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. They are going along. And it will be some 3 or 4 years before the 5 will be ready. And I think next year would be the proper time, or the year after next, to deal with the question of loading facilities.

Now, there is no need just putting things in here when you know you are not going to get the money on it, and even if you do get the money, they are not going to spend it, because it will be a little bit too fast.

I don't want to run out of work, because I want to stay here as long as I can and want to keep busy.

Mr. BATES. You want to make a career out of it.

The CHAIRMAN. I want to make a career out of it. I want Mr. Rivers to keep busy, and if he does it now, he won't have anything to do next year. I don't want him to do it all in 1 year. And we won't be able to have another Rivers Day. I don't think the committee is warranted

Mr. RIVERS. I think we ought to go into it.

Mr. BROOKS. Why, Mr. Chairman, couldn't we put this down later for consideration ?

Mr. RIVERS. I don't think, Mr. Chairman-
Mr. Brooks.

We will have to go into executive session.
Mr. BATES. We ought to go into it.
Mr. RIVERS. I think we ought to go into it.
The CHAIRMAN. We will go into it.

At the time being, we will approve it, with the understanding that we will have an amendment offered by Mr. Rivers for some $10 million.

Mr. BATES. We will go into it!
The CHAIRMAN. We will go into it.

Without objection, we will strike out section 203, which is for the $25 million which we struck out in the bill the other day. Now

Admiral Ailes. Mr. Chairman, I would like to speak to that. The CHAIRMAN. Well· Admiral AILES. We feel very strongly

The CHAIRMAN. We won't take up the time of the committee now. We are not warranted in doing that. We are just wasting your time and our time. Because we can't legislate that way.

Admiral Ailes. We feel we have very great need for that authority.

The CHAIRMAN. I know it, yes. The other services feel the same thing But we are not warranted in giving such blanket authorization as that.

Admiral Ailes. You gave this authority to the Air Force, sir. Mr. BATES. Mr. Chairman

The CHAIRMAN. Of course, in deference to you, we will be glad to hear what you have to say.

Mr. BATEs. Do you have any other particulars on this item that you have in mind ?

Admiral AILES. No, we do not. That is exactly what it is. It is to take care of facilities that are unforseen-breakthroughs—which will permit us to go ahead with an urgent program and without this, we are stopped for a whole year.

The CHAIRMAN. Well, I think you have been getting along pretty well without this blanket kind of authorization.

Admiral AILES. I think the Air Force used almost 95 percent of the authority you gave them under the same circumstances.

The CHAIRMAN. I think the committee was wise when they struck it out. And we will strike it out in the Air Force, as well as in the

Navy. We struck out $5 million last year. It was only $5 million you requested. We struck that out. So this year you raised it $20 million. Next year you will probably raise it $35 million.

Mr. HARDY. They won't build next year, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. Of course they won't build.

Mr. HARDY. I think we ought to stop it right now because it is getting out of hand.

The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, section 203 is stricken from the bill.

Now, read section 204: In accordance with the provisions of section 407 of the Act of September 1, 1954 (68 Stat. 1119, 1125), as amended, the Secretary of the Navy is authorized to construct, or acquire by lease or otherwise, family housing for occupancy as public quarters at the following locations by utilizing foreign currencies acquired pursuant to the provisions of the Agricultural Trade Development and Assistance Act of 1954 (68 Stat. 454) or through other commodity transactions of the Commodity Credit Corporation.

This is for the commodity housing abroad.
Admiral AILES. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. 46 units in Spain, 45 units in Spain, 330 in Morocco, and 122 in Italy.

Mr. KELLEHER. All approved previously by the committee.
The CHAIRMAN. All approved by Mr. Rivers', Mr. Hardy's, and
Mr. Bates' subcommittee.

Admiral AILES. Yes, sir.
Mr. RIVERS. Mr. Hardy's subcommittee.
The CHAIRMAN. Without objection, that is approved.
Now, inside the United States.
Are these the Capehart houses?
Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. We will have to get some information in regard to the first one.

Read them off, Mr. Kelleher. Which one did the committee approve? Mr. KELLEHER. Almost all of them, Mr. Chairman.

On line 8, Naval Air Station, Brunswick, Maine, 277 units, approved previously.

The CHAIRMAN. All right.

Mr. KELLEHER. Line ğ, Marine Corps Base, Camp Lejeune, 800 units, approved.

The CHAIRMAN. All right.
Mr. KELLEHER. Line 11, Cape Hatteras, N. C., 27 units, approved.
Naval Facility, Centerville, Calif., 24 units, approved.

Line 13, Naval Auxiliary Air Station, Chase Field, Tex., 225 units, approved.

Line 15, Marine Corps Air Station, Cherry Point, N. C., 849 units, approved.

Line 17, naval facility, Coos Head, Oreg., 24 units approved.

Line 18, Naval Training Center, Great Lakes, Ill., 425 units, approved. Line 19, Naval Air Station, Lemoore, Calif., 800 units, approved. Line 20, naval facility, Nantucket, Mass., 19 units, approved.

Line 21, Naval Submarine Base, New London, Conn., 500 units, not approved, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN, All right.
We will stop right there and get some testimony on that.

Mr. KELLEHER. There are sheets before each member, Mr. Chairman, of this kind [indicating].

Mr. BATEs. Which one is this that is not approved ?

Mr. KELLEHER. This is the top one, New London, Conn., on your sheet, the one appearing on line 21 of the bill.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, New London, Conn. Mr. RIVERS. Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes, sir.

Mr. Rivers. The subcommittee, your Subcommittee on Real Estate, last year tentatively looked at this project. There was considerable discussion about it. Mr. Bates, who was stationed up there as a naval officer during the war, was quite familiar with it. We were then reluctant to go into this, due to the size of the community. In view of the fact that our subcommittee has taken such active action in it, it might be well for us to take a very good look at that.

Mr. BATES. That was Newport.
Mr. RIVERS. What?
Mr. BATEs. That was Newport.

Mr. KELLEHER. That was Newport, I believe, you are thinking of, Mr. Rivers.

Mr. RIVERS. Yes, it was Newport. Excuse me. Newport. I beg your pardon.

The CHAIRMAN. Let's see. What is the requirement at New London?

Admiral AILES. I would like to have Captain Schumacher, if I may, of my Housing Office, speak to the details, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. All right, Captain. What is your requirement there?

Captain SCHUMACHER. 500, Mr. Chairman.
The CHAIRMAN. I know that is what you are asking for.
Mr. KELLEHER. Go right across the sheet, Captain.
The CHAIRMAN. How many houses, 4,446; is that correct?

Captain SCHUMACHER. That is correct; yes, sir. The basic requirement is 2,510, and the total, sir, is 4,446.

The CHAIRMAN. You have 2,510 there now?

Captain SCHUMACHER. No, sir; that is our requirement. That is our family housing requirement.

The CHAIRMAN. All right.
How much does the community furnish?

Captain SCHUMACHER. The community furnishes for our basic requirement, 539, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. How much do the Wherry houses furnish?
Captain SCHUMACHER. They contribute 450, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, that makes a total of 1,078. And you have a need for 2,510; is that correct !

Captain SCHUMACHER. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. All right.
Now you propose to build 500?
Captain SHUMACHER. Yes, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. That will leave you, then, 1,000 more to build?
Admiral AILES. Yes, sir.

Captain SCHUMACHER. Yes, sir; that is correct, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Now, how large a place is New London?
Captain SCHUMACHER. About 30,000, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. A 30,000 community, and it only furnished 539 rental spaces for that base there!

Captain SCHUMACHER. Yes, sir.
Captain SCHUMACHER. Yes, sir.

The CHAIRMAN. Is private enterprise interested in building houses and renting houses?

Captain SCHUMACHER. They haven't provided the need, sir.
The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Kelleher, did you examine this?
Mr. KELLEHER. Yes, I have, Mr. Chairman.
I would like to correct perhaps what is a misapprehension.

A great many more people live in the private community than is indicated by the figures. You will see the number, right below the 539, of 1,590. These are people of the lower grades for whom housing is not built but who are married and who do get a housing allowance as a matter of fact, under temporary legislation. The CHAIRMAN. Then the community furnishes about 2,000? Mr. KELLEHER. 2,100. The CHAIRMAN. 2,100. Admiral AILES. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. The community is furnishing at least half of them! Mr. KELLEHER. 2,100 is only those considered by the Navy to be adequate quarters, privately owned. Undoubtedly there is another perhaps 1,000 to 1,500 also occupied by personnel that are not considered adequate. Is that correct, Captain?

Captain SCHUMACHER. We have several in that category, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, give the committee some information as to the total personnel at New London. Of course we all know this is a very important base.

Mr. BROOKS. Where is that base located; what side of the river is it on!

Captain SCHUMACHER. It is on the east side of the river, sir.
Mr. BROOKS. East side.

Captain SCHUMACHER. It is about 4 miles north of the town of Groton, actually. It is across the river

The CHAIRMAN. Not in New London?
Captain SCHUMACHER. It is not in the city of New London, no, sir.
Mr. BROOKS. How far is it from New London?
Captain SCHUMACHER. About 6 miles from the center of town, sir.
Mr. BROOKS. North and east?

Catpain SCHUMACHER. Well, it is across the river, and then about 4 miles north.

The CHAIRMAN. Now, how much land do you have to acquire ?
Captain SCHUMACHER. I am not prepared to speak on that.

The CHAIRMAN. How many acres of land are you going to have to acquire to build these 500 units there? Have you enough land there?

Admiral PELTIER. About 200 acres, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Have you made an investigation where you are going to locate them?

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