runway ends to the aircraft parking areas. Runway and taxiway lighting will also be provided.

The final line item of the project is for land acquisition at Webster Field at the estimated cost of $187,000. The land is required to permit extension of one runway from 5,000 to 8,000 feet and to provide the standard overrun and safety clearance of 3,000 feet beyond the end of the runway.

In order that this may be done, we propose to acquire approximately 300 acres in fee and flight clearance easements over an additional 140

acre area.

Mr. KELLEHER. Mr. Vinson recommends deletion of items totaling $855,000. I will read them off very briefly, if I may, and explain his theory.

First, the jet engine runup test pads, the transportation shop, the parachute shop, liquid oxygen transfer building, alteration to messhall, inflight and transient messhall.

Mr. Vinson felt that those items, while necessary in the final development of Towers Field, were not necessary in the initial stages of it, and therefore recommends that the figure of $18,521,000 be stricken and $17,666,000 be inserted in lieu thereof.

Mr. KILDAY. In behalf of the chairman, I offer the amendment to strike $18,521,000 at line 9, and insert $17,666,000.

Admiral AILES. May I speak to that, Mr. Chairman. These items have been stricken from our funding list by reviewing authority. We couldn't use it for a year anyway.

Mr. NORBLAD. You speak of Towers Field, of Webster Field and Andrews Airfield Base.

Admiral AILES. There is going to be a facility on Andrews Air Force Base named John Towers Field.

Mr. NORBLAD. You speak of Webster Field in the bill.

Admiral AILES. Webster Field is an outlying field which will serve both our planes and the Air Force, to work with this facility at Andrews.

Mr. NORBLAD. Why do you need separate operations buildings, separate from the Air Force? Why can't you use one and the same? It seems to me this is a tremendous duplication.

Mr. RIVERS. And that is a first class field out there now.

Mr. NORBLAD. You have something like $2 million in there for an operations building.

Admiral AILES. I will ask Mr. Hanabury of the Bureau of Aeronautics to speak to this.

Mr. HANABURY. The operations administration building is primarily an administration building. For those administrative functions now carried on in the existing building over at Anacostia, and the operations portion of this building is about 6,000 square feet, for those requirements peculiar to the Navy. But the main operations building at the field will be the Andrews Operations Building.

Mr. NORBLAD. Then, as I understand, you are building separate administrative and separate operations; one for the Air Force, and one for the Navy, on the same field.

It seems to me to be the worst kind of duplication.

Mr. HANABURY. As a matter of fact, it is not, sir. We have coordinated every line item in this program with the Air Force. We are

using, for instance, all of their recreation facilities. Each item like fuel storage has been coordinated with the Air Force to make sure we are not duplicating their requirements.

Mr. NORBLAD. They are going to build a separate messhall.

Mr. HANABURY. We are altering an existing Air Force messhall— minimum cost.

Admiral AILES. It is only $75,000.

Mr. NORBLAD. It is not a matter of cost, but this constant duplication that has been going on for many years, and the taxpayers are not very happy about it, and I am not either.

Mr. HANABURY. We discussed building a messhall with the Air Force. Rather than build a new one, we are altering a building which they have for that purpose.

Mr. NORBLAD. You will have your separate mess and they will have their separate mess?

Mr. HANABURY. In that barracks area; yes, sir.

Mr. NORBLAD. You will have a separate administration building and they will have a separate administration building?

Mr. HANABURY. Yes, sir.

Mr. NORBLAD. All on the same field.

Mr. HANABURY. You would have to go over to Andrews and see how large the place is, sir, to really appreciate the fact that there are numerous commands on there: Air Defense Command, Air National Guard, Navy, Air Research and Development Command. They all have administrative facilities. It would be almost impossible to combine all those functions in one administration building.

Mr. NORBLAD. Do you know anything about that, Mr. Kelleher? I thought when I read about you people getting together out there, this would be one classic example of the services cooperating, but it looks to me like it is the same old thing.

Admiral AILES. I think we have consolidated as much as we can, sir. We are going to be over on the eastern side of the field. They are building an additional runway there. This will be right in our operational complex.

Mr. KELLEHER. I know this has been closely studied by the two departments. This is illustrated by the fact that Andrews is by no means finished, the Air Force has $18 million later on in the bill for the further development.

Bolling and Anacostia are going to close and all that load is going to go out there. They will require a new runway.

Mr. RIVERS. And Anacostia and Bolling are moving out of where they are now.

Mr. NORBLAD. I agree on that, but I think this duplication is really unwarranted, if there is any.

Admiral AILES. It is absolutely a minimum of operational, Mr. Norblad. It is really just the administration of these 145 planes and the people connected with them. Our Reserves are going out there, all our proficiency flying is going out there.

Mr. NORBLAD. What does your map show, please?

Admiral AILES. This shows where our facilities will be, over on the eastern side.

Mr. NORBLAD. Where is the Air Force?

Admiral AILES. The Air Force is principally over here.

sir.

Mr. NORBLAD. Why can't you have it in the same area?
Admiral AILES. We are putting our barracks over here among theirs,

Mr. NORBLAD. Why can't you have everything together?

Admiral AILES. It has gotten so big it is spread out all over the place.

Mr. NORBLAD. Is the Air Force going to use the items that you have shown in red there?

Admiral AILES. Those will be Navy facilities.

Mr. NORBLAD. I object to the item.

Mr. BENNETT. Although you have unity in being on the same base, you have disunity in not utilizing the same facilities.

I would like to ask, to what extent at Andrews Air Force Base will there be a utilization of the same facilities? For instance, are any runways to be used by both the Navy and the Air Force?

Admiral AILES. Yes, sir.

Mr. BENNETT. Any illustrations of places where there actually is some value of having both these branches at the same main airbase? Admiral AILES. The control tower will be used by both to control everything. The runways will be used by all planes coming in, whether Navy, Air Force, foreign, or anything that may be allowed to come in.

Mr. BENNETT. Do you believe a sizable savings has been made to the taxpayers by their joint utilization?.

Admiral AILES. I don't think there is any question about it. Mr. RIVERS. This is the same as a joint user base that you have in the Air Force in any municipality. You are on the one side of the field and the Air Force installation, including the ARDC-if anything ought to be moved out of there, it should be ARDC. It has no business there. It ought to be over in Ohio where we directed in the first place, but I don't see how it is possible to do any more than they are doing because it will be a big outfit over there.

Mr. BENNETT. Another point I would like to make.

Mr. Lankford was unfortunately called away, and this is in his district, I believe.

If we strike these items, I hope Mr. Lankford will be allowed to make further presentation.

Mr. KILDAY. He will have that opportunity.

Without objection, the questions on the amendment reducing the $18,521,000 to $17,666,000. Without objection the amendment is agreed upon.

Mr. HARDY. Did I understand the Air Force was going to increase their operation instead of decreasing it?

Mr. KELLEHER. If that question is directed to me, the answer is "yes". Mr. HARDY. Bolling Field is going out, but aren't they going to move out some activities?

Mr. KELLEHER. I understand their activities will increase out there. Mr. HARDY. In addition to what they are taking over from Bolling? Mr. KELLEHER. I don't know to what extent in addition to Bolling. I can't answer that.

Mr. HARDY. I thought they were going to move some of their present functions out. If that is the case, I have some hope that maybe some of the Air Force facilities would be available and utilizable by the Navy.

I can't help recognizing some validity in the point raised by Mr. Norblad. Certainly, it doesn't look like too much integration out there. They even have red colors on one side and black on the other. Mr. NORBLAD. I would like to have the item passed over and I would like the opportunity to go out there and look at it.

Mr. KILDAY. When?

Mr. NORBLAD. I will in reasonable time. I can't do it right now. Mr. HARDY. We certainly should get this Towers Field operation out of there.

Mr. KILDAY. The item will be held in abeyance until next week sometime.

Your next heading is "Supply facilities," I believe.

Admiral AILES. The next project is a California project, sir. The next class of facilities in our program is supply facilities, Mr. Chairman. We have 4 projects in this class in the total amount of $5,544,000, 3 of the projects costing $2,484,000 are at continental stations, and the fourth project for $3,060,000 is overseas.

The purpose of supply facilities is to provide supply support to the fleet throughout the world wherever our ships operate. Supply centers and depots replenish combatant ships and mobile support ships wherever deployed, as well as furnish supply support to naval installations, such as shipyards, air stations, et cetera.

Navy material, stocks, repair parts, and consumable supplies are controlled by inventory control points at our Bureau of Supplies and Accounts shore activities.

Mr. Chairman, I would like to have Admiral Becknell present a short statement.

Admiral BECKNELL. The requested authorization in this program for "Supply facilities" under the management control of the Bureau of Supplies and Accounts totals $5,544,000 for four items.

Two items provide for the physical installation of electronic data processing machines in order to furnish effective material support to fleet and air units.

The remaining two items are in the area of petroleum and are required for fleet fueling operations.

Admiral AILES. The first project in the program is at the Naval Supply Depot, Newport, R. I., for rehabilitation and improvement of steam facilities at the estimated cost of $2,210,000.

The mission of this depot is to receive, warehouse, distribute, and control designated types of naval material for support of assigned fleet units and shore activities. One of the facilities needed by the depot for its operation is its steam-heating plant.

Steam is used for pumping and heating petroleum products and operation of other equipment in connection with the receipt, storage, and issue of the petroleum products handled by the fuel facility. Steam is also used to heat a number of the depot buildings.

The depot has three boilerhouses. No. 1 is badly deteriorated and obsolete and is used only during periods of peak demand.

Boilerhouse No. 2 has been in use about 90 percent of the time. since it was built in 1942. Due to these severe operating conditions and lack of any alternate steam supply, it has had only minimum maintenance.

Boilerhouse No. 3, also constructed in 1942, steams about 200 hours per year for occasional fuel transfers, but is also deteriorated.

A complete overhaul of boilerhouses 2 and 3 and the steam distribution system is needed to prevent operational failure of the entire fuel facility. In addition, construction of a 10-inch, aboveground, high-pressure steam cross-connection between the boiler plants, a line about 7,500 feet in length, will provide proper operating flexibility and permit elimination of boilerhouse No. 1.

Mr. HARDY. What is this?

Admiral AILES. This is a fuel distribution system. Taking the oil from the tanks and delivering them through long pipelines to the various piers where it is loaded on to ships for shipment overseas, for delivery to the fleet at sea.

During the war it was badly deteriorated. Last year at one time a ship going to the Mediterranean was delayed in loading 4 days while they repaired the system.

Mr. KILDAY. Without objection the item is approved.

Admiral AILES. The second project is at the naval supply center, Norfolk, Va., for alterations within an existing building for installa tion of electronic data processing machines, or EDPM, as it is called, at the estimated cost of $128,000.

The use of EDPM will increase our effectiveness in the maintenance of stock control, financial inventory control and related recordkeeping functions of the center.

The increased flexibility and speed of this equipment will provide additional useful management data for the continually increasing inventory and financial controls.

The proposed project will provide for modification of a 6,000square-foot area in an existing building suitable for operation of the rented equipment. The work will include installation of new floors, ceilings, partitions, special electrical power and lighting and airconditioning.

Mr. KILDAY. Without objection, that is approved.

Admiral AILES. The third and last of the continental supply facilities projects is at the naval supply center, Oakland, Calif. This project is the counterpart of the project I just described for the naval supply center at Norfolk.

It will provide for modification of a 5,600-square-foot area on the third floor of an existing building for an EDPM installation. The estimated cost of this project is $146,000.

Mr. KILDAY. Without objection, it is approved.

Admiral AILES. Mr. Chairman, the next class of facilities in our military construction program is Marine Corps facilities. The representative of the Commandant, Marine Corps, General Allen, is not here to present the Marine Corps requirements. We understood the chairman wished to pass this class for the present and consider it later with the projects at California installations.

Admiral AILES. Mr. Chairman, the sixth class of facilities in the Navy's program is ordnance facilities. The objective of this portion of our program is to provide and keep modern facilities ashore for effective support of the fleet with respect to conventional and new

weapons.

Introduction of new weapons into the fleet creates requirements for new support facilities ashore. In this program we are requesting authorization of 11 ordnance facilities projects at the total estimated