Mr. BROOKS. 21,500 square yard what?

General WILSON. Parking apron, sir, to park the aircraft.

Mr. BROOKS. You say the land has already been provided. By

whom?

General WILSON. Provided by the city to the guard, placed on a 50-year lease for a dollar a year, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. How many acres?

General WILSON. We have altogether on Theodore F. Green, both on the airport and across the road that is made available to us about 26 acres, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. We get that for a dollar a year?

General WILSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. That is certainly satisfactory. We will approve that item if there is no objection.

Travis Field, Savannah, Ga.; housing facilities, housing supply facilities, and utilities, $317,000.

General WILSON. This again, Mr. Chairman, is a permanent fieldtraining site; but it also has an Air Guard unit stationed on it the year round located at this field. We are proposing in this to replace 17 of the old World War II temporary type barracks with 17 of our standard barracks, which each one of them composes 2,080 square feet. It is the same barracks that we have used at all of our permanent training sites, very inexpensive.

Mr. BROOKS. You are building barracks on your permanent training sites?

General WILSON. Yes, sir. They are shelters, you might say. They are four walls on a concrete slab with a roof on it, no windows in it. Mr. BROOKS. But men can stay there overnight?

General WILSON. Yes, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. During the training period.

General WILSON. During the training period, yes, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. Are you going to use that for 2 weeks' training? General WILSON. There will be over 8,000 men training there during the year, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. How many of these major training bases do you have? General WILSON. I have 8 of them, sir; 7 of them are located on joint civil-military bases; one is located on Otis Air Force Base, Mass., sir.

Mr. BROOKS. You don't have one for each State?

General WILSON. No, sir. We consolidate. They are too expensive to do that. So we have them where we combine the training together, and with the 24 wings we have, it averages out about 3 complete wings a year will go to each one of these bases.

Mr. BROOKS. The States are satisfied with that arrangement?
General WILSON. Very happy with it.

Mr. BROOKS. If there is no objection, this item is approved. Various locations: Runway arrestor barriers, $300,000. We have already provided for a good many of those.

General WILSON. Yes, sir. Those were in particular line items. These are grouped together, since they are very small, with an estimated cost of $30,000 each. We expect to have we know that the aircraft are going to be available in about 10 locations next year. One of the reasons we have asked you for this this way, instead of at specific locations, Mr. Chairman, is because of the differential in cost.

For example, we estimate that each one will cost about $30,000 apiece. But due to the location and how much of the runways they have to go under to get the controls to the tower, the cost can almost double the $30,000 in some; and some go down as low as $10,000.

So we have asked for this to construct the barriers in this manner, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. Do you have the locations available? Can you put them in the record?

General WILSON. Yes, sir; we can give you the locations that we propose.

Mr. BROOKS. They are all in the back of the book, aren't they? General WILSON. Yes, they are in the back of the book. Congrey, Columbia, S. C.; Detroit, Wayne Romulus, Mich.; Douglas Field, Charlotte, N. C.; Gowan Field, in Boise, Idaho; Greater Pittsburgh Airport, Pittsburgh, Pa.; Hancock Field, Syracuse, N. Y.; Newcastle County Airport, Newcastle, Del.; Tuscon Municipal Airport, Tuscon, Ariz.; and Tulsa Municipal Airport, Tulsa, Okla., sir.

Mr. BROOKS. That completes the list of these line items. While you are here, General, the rest of the bill relates to general provisions. If you wish to give us any further advice or help in reference to these general provisions, we will be glad to hear from you.

General WILSON. Mr. Chairman, could I submit these three to be added to the bill that we have been discussing, sir?

Mr. BROOKS. Yes, that is right, before we finish. If you would, read what you have there, General.

General WILSON. This is Milford Point, Conn., an aircraft control and warning unit; total estimated cost is $336,717. We have been in a very inadequate facility there for 4 years. We are getting new equipment for the aircraft control and warning unit, and if they are going to continue in being, we have got to provide them some facilities, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. That is No. 1, sir?

General WILSON. That is No. 1, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. What is the next one?

General WILSON. The second one is Wellesley Aircraft Control and Warning Station, which General Harrison was discussing yesterday that is in his State, for a total of $318,400. It is an aircraft control and warning station, and it is a similar type, standard facility that will go at Wellesley, Mass.

Wellesley College has furnished the land to the State, and they have given us a lease for 50 years for a dollar a year, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. And what is the final one?

General WILSON. The next one is an extension of a ramp or parking area at Westchester County Airport, $105,000.

Mr. BROOKS. Westchester, Pa.?

General WILSON. No, sir; that is in New York, sir. That is to add 10,500 square yards of parking to meet the requirement for the operation of jet aircraft, sir.

Mrs. ST. GEORGE. How much was that again, General?

General WILSON. That was $105,000.

Mr. BROOKS. My thought about these three-they are already approved by the Congress, and the only thing is that the authorization runs out. My thought is that in this bill we ought to provide per

haps in a separate paragraph an item to show we are not authorizing anew, but we are just merely extending the authorization.

Mr. Ducander, that will look a little better on the floor.

Mr. DUCANDER. Mr. Chairman, I think the way you would probably want to do it is to add these as separate items and then in the report explain-merely to maintain the legislative language.

Mr. BROOKS. We want to be able to show, if we can, that we haven't increased these; but that this is merely continuing what we already have.

Mr. DUCANDER. Yes, sir; I understand.

Mr. BROOKS. We will work that out. Do you have any other remarks in reference to the rest of the bill? The Air National Guard, I see in the back of the bill, is provided with $11,976,000.

General WILSON. That will have to be amended, sir, to include this $700,000 that we have just talked about in these last three projects. sir.

Mr. BROOKS. We will merely extend the authorization. It is not really authorizing anew.

Mr. DUCANDER. This will take the place of the other, though, will it not?

General WILSON. I already have the authorization for this year's fund. But due to the language in section 4 "or funded from appropriation made before the date of enactment of this act," that actually would cancel that authorization.

So that means either they have got to be added as another line item in the bill, or knock this out.

Mr. BROOKS. That, you say, is in section 4?

General WILSON. Page 11 of the bill, sir, lines 8 and 9.

Mr. BROOKS. We could amend this on page 12 there, could we not, to simply say, "Air Force National Guard of the United States, $11,976,000" and in addition, extending authorization for three items? Then we would leave the sum total the same.

Mr. DUCANDER. I think this is something we can work out. I think it would be better to work it out on that basis because the money is available. It is not calling for new appropriations.

General WILSON. The money won't be available. I will have to use money I have in another appropriation because I have no carryover fund, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. It doesn't look good for the program when we have to reappropriate money for the same purposes twice.

General WILSON. That is correct, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. It looks like we are using more money than we are actually consuming.

Are there any further statements or anything?

General WILSON. No, sir.

Mr. BROOKS. If not, General, we do thank you very much for your appearance here. I want to comment, too, regarding the facility with which you are able to answer these questions. You have your answers right ready, and we appreciate that ability to give us what we need in the way of information.

General WILSON. Mr. Chairman, I am sold on this program. I believe in it, and I again want to thank this committee for all the help that it has given us.

Mr. BROOKS. Nobody has ever questioned your enthusiasm for your program. Thank you very much, General.

Monday afternoon I think we will be able to meet at about 2:30. At that time we will take up the two items that have been carried over, plus the general items that may form a matter of some controversy. We will have a short briefing from the Army and from the Defense Department. We can tell them what we are going to do in reference to extending the authorization on these three items of the National Guard.

If there is no objection, we will adjourn until 2:30 Monday after

noon.

(Whereupon, at 12 noon, the committee recessed, to reconvene Monday afternoon, 2: 30 p. m., June 9, 1958.)

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES,

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES,

SUBCOMMITTEE No. 1,

Washington, D. C., Monday, June 9, 1958. The subcommittee met at 2:30 p. m., in room 313-A, Old House Office Building, Hon. Overton Brooks, chairman of the subcommittee, presiding.

Mr. BROOKS. The subcommittee will please come to order.

At this time we would like the subcommittee would like to hear from Brig. Gen. W. R. Shuler, Chief of Construction for the Army, in charge of logistics.

There is no provision in the bill for the Army or the Army National Guard.

If you will have a seat, General Shuler, the committee would like to hear from you.

The Army seems to be having its problems, and one of your problems is you have no program in this bill.

General SHULER. Mr. Chairman, we have no request for new appropriations, and that explains why, sir, we have no line items in the bill. But we do have a program for fiscal year 1959, which is composed of projects previously authorized by the Congress and funded with moneys appropriated in fiscal year 1958 and prior years and carried into fiscal year 1959.

Mr. BROOKS. Now as I remember, General, when we reviewed this matter a year ago, we were very specific about the immediate need for the projects that were approved and authorized. And we reduced the total in the bill because we were afraid some of the projects would not be funded.

Now you tell me you have money left over that has not been used. I think your statement, though, probably covers this situation. General SHULER. It does.

Mr. BROOKS. If it does, just proceed.

General SHULER. Yes, sir.

Mr. Chairman, with your permission, I would like to remind the committee that I appeared during March on this same subject, and at that time, I feel, sir, I gave the committee a comprehensive statement as to what our status was.

I have updated that statement now to show the committee what changes have taken place.

With your permission, sir, I would like to place the full statement in the record, but to brief you on the highlights, sir, in my opening statement, if that meets with your approval.

Mr. BROOKS. If there is no objection, the statement will go in the record.

(The statement referred to is as follows:)

Mr. Chairman, I propose to make my presentation in the following manner: First, to describe how the Army establishes the requirements for construction necessary for the administration and training of the Reserve components;

Second, to give an accounting of the $244 million appropriated to the Army under the authorization of Public Law 783, 81st Congress, as amended; Third, to analyze our future construction requirements as we now know them; and

Fourth, to cover joint utilization of facilities by the several Reserve components.

The long-range requirements for facilities are derived from the Reserve components troop program, which in turn is based on troop strengths approved by the Secretary of Defense and on plans for fighting future wars, as approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. This troop program is a listing of National Guard and Army Reserve units which the Army will mobilize in event of an emergency. The Department of Defense has given the Army revised long-range paid drill strengths for use in the development of long-range plans and programs in support of the Reserve components.

These revised troop strengths are well below those previously used and will affect our long-range facilities requirements. Although the revised troop structure should be approved by the Secretary of the Army by July 1, 1958, it will be several months before an implementing plan, to include a stationing list based on the new troop distribution, can be developed. The Army, however, plans to utilize all adequate facilities, either existing or programed, under the revised troop structure. This policy is clearly outlined in the Plan for Reorganization of the Reserve Components of the United States Army, which is the Army Staff's instruction to field agencies for implementing the revised troop structure; the plan states: "Consistent with other governing considerations, implementation of this plan envisages that existent and programed facilities will be utilized to the maximum by the Reserve components."

Expenditure limitations imposed on the Army for fiscal years 1958 and 1959 made it necessary to reduce the fiscal year 1958 program from the $55 million level approved by the Congress. Although there has now been a relaxation of these expenditure controls, the Army has not been allowed to request any "new obligational authority in the fiscal year 1959 budget under consideration. The fiscal year 1958 program is currently established at $35 million in direct obligations ($14 million for Army National Guard and $21 million for Army Reserve). The carryover of funds into fiscal year 1959 ($48.1 million) will be utilized to accomplish a $40 million program in fiscal year 1959. The Army is condent that all of the facilities projects to be accomplished under continuation of the authority of Public Law 783, 81st Congress, as amended, are valid long

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