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the fees. In some cases it involves items where transfers are proposed from other appropriations.
In some instances, increases are proposed in limitations, but the cost would still be absorbed within the appropriation. Then we reviewed the Department's appropriations to determine where there were balances which were not planned for use during the year, and are proposing to transfer such balances to other appropriations to meet the increased salary costs.
Mr. WHITTEN. What is the rule within the Department so far as transferability? What is the percentage and what are the limitations as to transferability?
If I recall correctly, within a broad category you can transfer up to 7 percent within the items in a bureau or agency. But you cannot transfer, say, from Agricultural Research or Marketing Research to Soil Conservation Service. Am I right about that?
Mr. GRANT. That is right. We can transfer under the 7-percent authority between appropriation items within the same bureau or agency, but we cannot cross agency lines.
However, I want to point out that the transfers proposed in these supplemental estimates involve action by the Congress.
Nr. WHITTEN. So if this subcommittee should authorize transfers beyond that which you normally have, there is no reason why you should not treat all agencies alike insofar as what they absorb and insofar as what they depend on for appropriations. I am asking you why each agency in the Department should not have it pro rata share of the absorption and its pro rata share of dependence upon additional appropriation.
Mr. GRANT. It could be done that way.
Mr. WHITTEN. You have heard the chairman announce what the policy of the subcommittee is. In view of that announcement could you go over these figures and see that each of the agencies accepts its part of the absorption in case you should not get additional funds to make up the difference?
Mr. GRANT. Yes, this could be done and if I understand you it would mean redistributing the transfers proposed so that each agency would get a pro rata portion of the transfer?
Mr. WHITTEN. I do not mean to belabor the issue before my colleagues, who have been nice enough to ask us down here to develop this, but it is my experience in Congress that cuts such as we are discussing now are usually applied to those plans where the Congress would be likely to restore them. If there should be a policy by the Congress requiring each agency to absorb a certain amount, all of these agencies being important to those who rely upon them, it would be beneficial to the committee and the Congress in trying to fix the sums on a reasonable basis.
I am asking you, could you go back over this and rework it?
Mr. GRANT. Yes, sir.
Adjusted to reflect pro rata
distribution of transfers
$3, 225, 175
$1, 470, 800
3, 225, 175
1, 470, 800
2, 023, 372
Agency or item
$5, 036, 900
Agricultural Research Service:
Salaries and expenses...
Salaries and expenses (special foreign currency program)
Total, Agricultural Research Service-
Cooperative State Experiment Station Service: Payments and expenses.
Extension Service: Cooperative extension work, payments and expenses.
Farmer Cooperative Service.
Soil Conservation Service:
Great Plains conservation program
Total, Soil Conservation Service
Economic Research Service-
Statistical Reporting Service.
Agricultural Marketing Service:
Marketing research and service.
Special milk program.
School lunch program.
Removal of surplus agricultural commodities.
Perishable Agricultural Commodities Act fund.
Total, Agricultural Marketing Service
Foreign Agricultural Service-
Commodity Exchange Authority.
1, 334, 600
1, 509, 717
2 195, 000
Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Service:
Expenses, Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Service:
Transfer from Commodity Credit Corporation.
Total, Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Service.
Federal Crop Insurance Corporation:
Administrative and operating expenses.
Federal Crop Insurance Corporation fund.
Total, Federal Crop Insurance Corporation.
Rural Electrification Administration.
Farmers Home Administration:
Salaries and expenses.-
Trust and emergency credit revolving funds.
Total, Farmers Home Administration.
Office of the General Counsel
Office of Information..
National Agricultural Library:
Salaries and expenses
Total, National Agricultural Library -
Salaries and expenses
Working capital fund
Total, eneral administration.
Forest protection and utilization
Forest roads and trails.
Assistance to States for tree planting.
Acquisition of lands for Superior National Forest
Expenses, brush disposal...
Restoration of forest lands and improvement
Working capital and trust funds.
Total, Forest Service.
Total, U.S. Department of Agriculture.
1 Includes $865,000 related to the administration of the agricultural conservation pro-
Mr. WHITTEN. The issue now is, you have $18,000,219 that you can
Mr. WHITTEN. What part of that has to do with new programs, if
Mr. GRANT. Yes, sir. This proposal before the committee includes
program. This is a new item proposed to be carried out under sec-
In 1960 and prior years the Government entered into contracts to make con-
The appropriation has not been adequate to cover the Government's con-
LAND USE ADJUSTMENT PROGRAM
Last March Secretary Freeman proposed a food and agricultural program for
of appropriations. The supplemental estimate of $6 million is to cover the
CONSERVATION RESERVE PROGRAM
Mr. Whittox. I think my own subcommittee is familiar with this
Mr. GodFREY. Yes, sir. That is true.
Mr. WHITTEN. And it represents a failure on the part of the Con-
Mr. WHITTEN. And if it is not paid here it would mean the folks