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Mr. WHITBECK. That is an increase over the estimated appropriation, not over last year. In comparison with last year, the total weeks claimed shown on page 9, the figure is 1,582,000; and for this year it is 1,596,000, or 14,000 more weeks.

INCREASES IN WEEKLY BENEFITS

Mr. THOMAS. Has the law been amended recently increasing the weekly benefit amounts?

Mr. WHITBECK. Some of them have been amended.

Mr. THOMAS. Generally, what is the situation overall? Has there been an appreciable increase nationwide in benefit amounts?

Mr. MILLER. Mr. Chairman, 11 States in 1962 increased maximum weekly benefit amounts.

Mr. THOMAS. Eleven States?

Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir.

FIRMNESS OF ESTIMATES

Mr. THOMAS. How firm is this estimate?

On the whole, you seem to know as much about it as anyone. Could you get by with $5 million for Federal employees?

Mr. MILLER. That figure is very firm, sir. There are two things at work here.

Mr. THOMAS. How do you mean, "very firm"?

Mr. MILLER. As far as the number of States who increased the maximum weekly benefit amount.

Mr. THOMAS. We do not question that. It is a matter of record; that is historical, is it not?

Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir.

Mr. THOMAS. What about your figure for the number of claims? The question is how firm is your figure on that? These are 1-year funds, and you have to allocate these?

Mr. MILLER. That is very true. The estimate is exceedingly firm, sir, and certainly we have experience for the first 8 months and the trend seems to be

Mr. THOMAS. What about the ex-servicemen?

Mr. MILLER. With respect to the ex-servicemen we think we have passed the peak in rate of discharge.

Mr. THOMAS. What do you have in your firm figure there for them; about $13.5 million?

Mr. MILLER. That is right.

Mr. THOMAS. How firm is that figure?

Mr. MILLER. It is based on 8 months' experience and what looks to us like the logical expectation for the rest of the year.

Mr. THOMAS. In case you have more money than you need, what

do you do with it?

Mr. MILLER. We cannot spend it for any other purpose.

Mr. THOMAS. It goes back to the Treasury at the end of the fiscal year?

Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir.

Mr. THOMAS. You have no administrative costs in here?

Mr. MILLER. No, sir.

Mr. THOMAS. Could you use those funds, what is left over, for administrative costs?

Mr. MILLER. Not without authorization from Congress.

Mr. Thomas. Mr. Rooney?

Mr. ROONEY. I have no questions.

PAYMENTS BY STATES

Mr. Bow. Could you have a chart showing payments by States and the amount in each State? You say it has been changed?

Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir.

Mr. Bow. Could you work up such a chart showing the numbers you are paying to by States, the amounts you pay to States, the duration, and the amount authorized to the States?

Mr. MILLER. I am not so sure we can do it for duration by States, but we can certainly show you the weekly benefit amounts by State. We can show you the number of claims State by State.

Mr. Bow. To your last firm estimate?

Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir.

(The information supplied follows:)

Expenditures under title XV of the Social Security Act (UCFE-UCX)-Actual July 1, 1962-Feb. 28, 1963, and estimated amount for remainder of fiscal year

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1 We estimate that the funds which have been appropriated ($129,000,000) will be exhausted by Apr. 26, 1963. Approximately 108,000 people will be drawing weekly benefits under the UCFE-UCX program on Apr. 26.

Prepared Mar, 26, 1963.

Mr. Bow. The Federal employees are employees separated from the service and then cannot find jobs; is that right?

Mr. MILLER. That is true, sir.

INCREASE IN UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION CLAIMS BY FEDERAL

WORKERS

Mr. Bow. Why this increase in claims by Federal employees in recent months? Why has that gone up so high?

Mr. MILLER. Actually it has not changed very much in the last year in terms of number of people. Of this total increase, probably no more than 700,000 is estimated in terms of benefits due to additional layoffs. The table the chairman cited and referred to

Mr. Bow. In what areas have these layoffs been?

Mr. MILLER. They have been scattered across the country.

Mr. Bow. What departments or agencies?

Mr. GOODWIN. I have that here, Mr. Congressman. The larger ones are the Department of Agriculture; out of a total they had 19.39 percent; Department of Army had 18.22 percent.

Mr. Bow. You mean the Department of Army civilian personnel? Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir.

Mr. GOODWIN. That is right.

Mr. Bow. Excuse me; I misunderstood.

Mr. GOODWIN. At the Department of Interior, they had 7.5 percent roughly; Department of the Navy, 7.87 percent; Post Office had 18.81 percent; and those are the large ones.

Mr. Bow. Are these benefits paid to the people who voluntarily separate from the service, or are they people who have been separated for cause?

Mr. GOODWIN. They must be involuntary.
Mr. Bow. Involuntary?

TYPE OF UNEMPLOYED FEDERAL WORKERS

Mr. GOODWIN. Involuntary. This is a point that is frequently not understood. Most of these employees are not the regular type of employee you are familiar with here in Washington. Most of these are on some type of construction work or something of that kind, a great many of them blue-collar workers.

Mr. THOMAS. What do you mean by that? These are not contract employees, but Federal employees?

Mr. GOODWIN. Yes; but many of them were employed where the work is done by the Federal Government on force accounts. These are Federal employees in all cases but I merely meant to identify the type of work involved in a large percentage of the cases.

UNEMPLOYMENT CLAIMS BY GOVERNMENT AGENCY

Mr. Bow. Mr. Chairman, I think it would be interesting to have this document in the record.

(The material referred to follows:)

Number of forms ES-932 received for individuals by Bureau's Central Control Unit for each Federal agency that claimants were last employed and filed new unemployment compensation for Federal employees claim for weeks ending January and February 1963

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