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S. 2475 and H. R. 7200
BILLS TO PROVIDE FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF FAIR
LABOR STANDARDS IN EMPLOYMENTS IN AND
AFFECTING INTERSTATE COMMERCE

AND FOR OTHER PURPOSES

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COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION AND LABOR

UNITED STATES SENATE

HUGO L. BLACK, Alabama, Chairman ROYAL S. COPELAND, New York

WILLIAM E. BORAH, Idaho DAVID I. WALSH, Massachusetts

ROBERT M. LA FOLLETTE, JR., Wisconsin
ELBERT D. THOMAS, Utah

JAMES J. DAVIS, Pennsylvania
JAMES E. MURRAY, Montana
VIC DONAHEY, Ohio
RUSH D. HOLT, West Virginia
CLAUDE PEPPER, Florida
ALLEN J. ELLENDER, Louisiana
JOSH LEE, Oklahoma

KENNETH E. HAIGLER, Clerk

COMMITTEE ON LABOR

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

WILLIAM P. CONNERY, JR., Chairman, Massachusetts MARY T. NORTON, New Jersey

RICHARD J. WELCH, California ROBERT RAMSPECK, Georgia

FRED A. HARTLEY, JR., New Jersey GLENN GRISWOLD, Indiana

W. P. LAMBERTSON, Kansas KENT E. KELLER, Ilinois

CLYDE H. SMITH, Maine
MATTHEW A. DUNN, Pennsylvania

ARTHUR B. JENKS, New Hampshire
REUBEN T. WOOD, Missouri
JENNINGS RANDOLPH, West Virginia
JOHN LESINSKI, Michigan
JAMES H. GILDEA, Pennsylvania
EDWARD W. CURLEY, New York
ALBERT THOMAS, Texas
JOSEPH A. DIXON, Ohio
WILLIAM J. FITZGERALD, Connecticut
WILLIAM F. ALLEN, Delaware
GEORGE J. SCHNEIDER, Wisconsin
SANTIAGO IGLESIAS, Puerto Rico

MARI B, CRONIN, Cler:

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LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

JUN 2 6 1937
DIVISION OF DOCUMENTS

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FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT OF 1937

WEDNESDAY, JUNE 2, 1937

UNITED STATES SENATE,
Joint COMMITTEE OF THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON
EDUCATION AND LABOR, AND HOUSE COMMITTEE ON LABOR,

Washington, D. C. The joint committee met, pursuant to call, at 10 a. m., in the caucus room, Senate Office Building, Senator Hugo L. Black presiding.

Present: Senators: Hugo L. Black (chairman), David İ. Walsh, Elbert D. Thomas, James E. Murray, Rush D. Holt, Claude Pepper, Allen J. Ellender, Josh Lee, William E. Borah, Robert M. La Follette, Jr., and James J. Davis.

Representatives: William P. Connery, Jr. (chairman), Robert Ramspeck, Glenn Griswold, Kent E. Keller, Matthew Dunn, Reuben T. Wood, James H. Gildea, Edward W. Curley, Albert Thomas, Joseph A. Dixon, William J. Fitzgerald, William F. Allen, George J. Schneider, Santiago Iglesias, Richard J. Welch, Fred A. Hartley, Jr., William P. Lambertson, Clyde H. Smith, and Arthur B. Jenks.

The CHAIRMAN. The committee will come to order. This is a joint hearing of the Committee on Labor of the House and Committee on Education and Labor of the Senate, on H. R. 7200 and S. 2475.

The CHAIRMAN. The first witness who will appear today is Mr. Robert H. Jackson. If it is satisfactory to the committee, Mr. Jackson has prepared statement which he suggests he can give to the committee and after that he suggests that he can go through the bill section by section for such questions as any members of the committee would want to ask him on the legal phases of the measure. If that is satisfactory to the committee I suggest that we follow that course.

All right, proceed, Mr. Jackson.

STATEMENT OF ROBERT H. JACKSON, DEPARTMENT OF

JUSTICE

Mr. JACKSON. Mr. Chairman, the formal statement which I have prepared deals with the constitutional questions, and later we can point out how those particular constitutional theories are carried into the bill.

For years we have heard easy lip service “in principle to the commonplace that it is bad for America-economically as well as sociallyto have child labor, sweated labor, low standards of living, inhumane and unhealthy working conditions."

Today we are considering something more than "approval in principle" of these ideas. We have an effort, in the specific and exact terms of a bill, to make this devotion to ideals statutory instead of merely rhetorical.

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