Further, if any station managers were to be put on the CPB Board, the slate of candidate from which they are selected should be created by their peers. Those members of the NAEB Executive Board, elected nationally by the Association's television station and radio station members, represent such a slate. Thus, one approach might be the appointment by the President of a limited number of CPB board members from among the radio station or television station members of the NAEB Executive Board, as professionals already elected to represent the national needs of educational broadcasting. EXPLANATION OF THE RICHMOND, VA., TWO-STATION SITUATION The Chairman asked about the reasons for having two stations in any community, for example, what was the situation in Richmond, Virginia. In Richmond, Virginia, there is one public radio station, WRFK-FM, licensed to the Union Theological Seminary, and two public TV stations, WCVE, Channel 23 and WCVW, Channel 57, both licensed to and operated by Central Virginia Educational Television Corporation in Richmond. The radio station, WRFK-FM, is a high-power FM station, broadcasting a full schedule of good music, fine arts, and cultural programs, as well as being a member of and carrying the national programs from National Public Radio. It is the only such cultural and public radio station in Richmond at this time. The two educational TV stations WCVE and WCVW are both part of the same organization, and operate out of the same facilities with the same personnel. Having two channels makes possible carrying a wider range of diverse public TV programs, but especially provides for optimum scheduling of instructional programming for the Richmond-area schools. The organization is a member of the Public Broadcasting Service, and carries its national programming. It also receives an annual general support grant-but only one-from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Such station grants go to the licensee, in this case the Central Virginia ETVA Corp., not each channel such an agency serves. The grant is based on the combined budget for operating both channels. There are more than a dozen other such multiple-station operations in the nation. For the most part a single organization operates both. In a few cities there are more than one TV or radio station licensees using separate facilities. This has happened where there are significantly different programming needs which can be met only by different licensees. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM NONCOMMERCIAL EDUCATIONAL BROADCASTERS Chairman Macdonald referred at various times during the recent hearings to the need to know the reaction of the stations themselves from around the nation. NAEB's witnesses attempted to present the synthesis of station views for the record in both oral and written form. To illuminate further the record for the benefit of the Chairman and the Committtee members, we offer the following messages received since the hearing from the stations and their related organzations. FEBRUARY 11, 1972. TWX to William Harley, President, NAEB, Washington, D.C. From Howard D. Holst, Chairman, Southern Educational Communications Association, Columbia, S.C. The board of directors of the Southern Educational Communications Association a non-profit membership organization consisting of some fourteen public radio stations and more than fifty public television stations in thirteen southern and southeastern states, wishes to support the position that any federal legislation regarding financing for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting contain a provision that, beginning at a level of $40 million, a minimum of 30% of CPB funds go directly to the stations in what are now known as community service grants, and that as the level of federal funding increases, the percentage of funds designated for such community service grants be further increased. To William Harley, President, NAEB. * From Frank Barreca, Chairman, Rocky Mt. Public Broadcasting Network (RMPBN). Re Hearings on Public Broadcast Funding. It is our understanding that you have been requested to submit written testimony to the Macdonald Committee within the next two days. After listening to summary reports of the committee hearings regarding the pending public broadcasting bills, we are not sure of the committee's reaction to the testimony, nor do we know what will be the result of these hearings. However, since this is a matter of great importance to us as a regional or organization and as individual stations, the urgency of this situation compels us to communicate to you some of our desires. First, there is no mention of regional networks in the reports we have received. It is obvious there is a need for financnal support for the regional networks and we wish this to be communicated. Second, there seems to be some confusion as to the position of the stations regarding individual station support. We cannot speak for all of the stations in the country, but in a series of telephone calls yesterday the managers of the undersigned stations, as a network and individually, were in agreement that the proposed minimum of 30 percent of the funds allocated to the stations should increase as the appropriation rises to 50 percent, or more, of the total appropriation. We all are hopeful that this problem of long-range financing for public broadcasting can soon be resolved, since it is so urgently needed by all those presently concerned for the continuance and growth of this important communications resource. Frank Barreca, KUAT, Tucson, Arizona (Chairman of RMPBN) Jack Schlaefle, KAID, Boise, Idaho. Peter Haggart, KUID, Moscow, Idaho. FEBRUARY 4, 1972. * * * FEBRUARY 4, 1972. To Mr. William Harley, President, National Association of Educational Broadcasters. From J. Michael Collins, President, Eastern Educational Television Network. Since there seems to be some confusion arising out of the recent Washington hearings as to where the stations really stand regarding station funding as a percentage of the total annual federal appropriation to CPB, I think that the following report may prove helpful. At a meeting of the Eastern Educational Television Network board of trustees on January 27, 1972, the stations agreed in principle with the Macdonald bill for financial support of public broadcasting, but felt strongly that the percentage of funds to be passed through to the stations from CPB rise as the total amount made available to CPB rises, eventually reaching more than 50 percent of the total appropriation. The stations felt that the above should be written in to the bill. We would like to have this representation of our wishes made in any further presentation you make to Mr. Macdonald's committee. A list of the station members of EEN is attached. Attachment. WCBB-Lewiston, Maine WCNY-Syracuse, New York WEDH-Hartford, Connecticut WENH-Durham, New Hampshire WETA-Washington, D.C. WETK-Winooski, Vermont WGBH-Boston, Massachusetts WHYY-Philadelphia, Pennsylvania WITF-Hershey, Pennsylvania WLVT-Allentown/Bethlehem, Pennsylvania WMEB-Orono, Maine WMHT-Schenectady, New York WMPB-Owings Mills, Maryland KWSU TV and KWSU AM, Pullman, Washington wish to express support of sliding scale approach to distribution of CPB funds to local stations. Thirty per cent is a reasonable starting point but as funding increases the corporation national needs will be satisfied much sooner than the needs of the local stations; thus the percentage balance should tip in favor of the local stations as higher total dollars amounts are made available. GORDON TUELL. General Manager, Radio TV Services. Washington State University, Pullman, Wash. KVIE TV Sacramento, California continues to strongly support legislation insuring that support for local stations provide increases commensurate with increases in the CPB Budget. ARTHUR A. PAUL, General Manager. * Congratulations on your Macdonald subcommittee testimony that local stations should receive an increasingly larger percentage of CPB funds. 30 percent is too low even this year and should definitely not become a permanent ratio. Developments and strengthening of local stations must be our major concern if we are to fulfill the true mandates of the 67 act and ideals of the Carnegie Study. FRANK ROBERTS, Manager KYVE TV, Yakima, Wash. * Re Macdonald bill hearings, please be advised that the testimony you, Rich Breitenfeld and Lloyd Kaiser presented was right on as far as I am concerned. We need to have the sliding scale concept included in that legislation. KSPS TV Spokane stands solidly behind you in your effort to accomplish this. Kind Regards, WALT SCHAAR. General Manager, KSPS TV. Re Macdonald congressional hearings, urge local station support fund be kept growing upward as corporation funds increase. DONALD H. TELFORD, Vice President and General Manager, I support you and thank you for your testimony that the Macdonald bill be amended to stipulate that stations receive a rising percentage of funds. WILLIAM REED. General Manager, KIXE-TV, Redding, Calif. Mr. MACDONALD. I am going to recognize the majority leader of the House, Mr. Boggs of Louisiana. He has a witness from Louisiana whom he would like the opportunity to present at this time. Mr. Boggs. STATEMENT OF HON. HALE BOGGS, A REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS FROM THE STATE OF LOUISIANA Mr. Chairman, I am really very interested in your subcommittee. It so happens that well over 15 years ago I joined with Senator Magnuson of Washington in introducing the first bill dealing with the subject of public television. Since then we have pioneered in New Orleans in the establishment of a community television station. Our witness, Mrs. Moise Dennery, is one of the public-spirited citizens who made this possible. She interested me in the subject a good many years ago. She has continued to serve on the board of our station there. She has had many other activities of a public nature in our community, having sat on the board of Council of Jewish Women, the library board, and many other public-spirited endeavors. She and her husband both are very much concerned with public television. Mr. Dennery was recently appointed chairman of our new State Commission on Public Television, a commission just created by the last session of our legislature. Mr. Chairman, I consider Mrs. Dennery really an expert in community television. She knows how difficult it is, how important it is to bring in all elements of a community to make an enterprise such as this successful. She will testify later this afternoon. Were it not for the bill on the floor which I think is about to be voted on, I would certainly like to stay here with you. I would like to commend you and the other members of this subcommittee on this legislation and so much other very important legislation that you send to the floor during the course of each session. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. Mr. MACDONALD. We shall now recognize as our next witness, Mrs. Moise W. Dennery of New Orleans, La. STATEMENT OF MRS. MOISE W. DENNERY, MEMBER, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, PAST CHAIRMAN, WYES-TV, BOARD OF TRUSTEES, NATIONAL FRIENDS OF PUBLIC BROADCASTING, NEW ORLEANS, LA. Mrs. DENNERY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. MACDONALD. You have been sitting here patiently. We do welcome you here, and welcome whatever you have to say. I might suggest, unless you want to go into it line by line, that your statement will be introduced into the record as if read at this point and then you can paraphrase or ad lib or answer questions, whatever way you want to do it. How do you prefer? Mrs. DENNERY. I will be happy to submit my complete statement for the record. Mr. MACDONALD. Without objection it is so ordered. Mrs. DENNERY. If you will permit me I wish to highlight the statement. First, on a personal note, may I say how impressed I am with the dedication of the committee and the amount of knowlege acquired. This is my first experience before a congressional committee and I am very impressed. And I do thank you and the members of your committee for permitting me to appear before you today. As the record will show, I have almost 14 years of experience as a volunteer in the field of public broadcasting. Perhaps I am testifying because I may be the oldest volunteer in the entire country-in terms of service. I will not take the time to tell you the various committees on which I have served. I would have hoped to impress you with my background and my involvement, but I understand the time problem. The volunteer movement has been one of the most exciting developments in the field of public broadcasting. There are perhaps 80 various jobs being carried on by volunteers for their local stations, jobs for which no money is available, and volunteers have been able to provide supplemental service to the stations which frees the professionals to do the more complete professional part of their job. Mr. MACDONALD. Mrs. Dennery, have you had a chance to look at the bill which has been introduced by me and the other members? Mrs. DENNERY. Excuse me, that is in my prepared statement. I support the bill as it was introduced. Mr. MACDONALD. Do you have any special reason to support it? Does it have features that appeal to you? Or are you just in favor of public broadcasting and you think this is not a bad way to support it? Mrs. DENNERY. I go into this a little more deeply. I don't consider myself a "do-gooder" as some people think of some volunteers. I have had the opportunity to read the bill. I am impressed with your bill's recognition of the service public broadcasting is performing, the recognition that there is an increasing need for the dollar, the practical aspect of it, taking it step by step, and the very important point of the long-range financing. I am in favor of permanent financing. Mr. MACDONALD. You don't have to apologize for being a “dogooder." We need more people like that, not fewer. Mrs. DENNERY. It has been a very exciting, rewarding part of my life. I was the chairman of the board of the New Orleans station for 3 years. During that time we had no membership of any sort, no contributing members. We now have 4,500 or more members paying dues from $15 to $100. Then we had no fund-raising campaign. This past November we held a TV auction, we had 1.800 volunteers from all walks of life in New Orleans, 1,800 volunteers in one community, and we raised over $300,000. This is one of the most spectacular achievements. Mr. MACDONALD. This was before Mardi Gras time? Mrs. DENNERY. Yes; it was. Believe me, we plan our events around Mardi Gras, which is in 2 weeks. The response to WYES-TV in New Orleans has been a very remarkable thing. We feel that in large part it is due to the type of programing which is provided us by PBS. This has given the station great stature and has helped build great audiences. It is a tool which we have been able to use to take advantage of increased audiences to build increased local support. This has been one of the effective things. Mr. MACDONALD. What is the closest public broadcasting station to you? Mrs. DENNERY. New Orleans is at the present time the only public television station in Louisiana. I must tell you that the legislature in |