National defense activities appropriation, statement of total requirements for the fiscal year 1943, including extension of supplemental appropriation, 1942, and additional requests Continued Senior transcriber, CAF-4 Mail and Files Division: Chief of Division, CAF-5. Clerk, CAF-3. Junior clerk, CAF-2. Duplicating machine operator, Chauffeur, CU-3. Messenger, CU-3. Assistant messenger, CU-2. Administrative Department: Clerk-stenographer, CAF-3.. Advisory personnel. Engineering Unit: Associate engineer, P-3. Total departmental. Deduct lapses..... Personal services, departmen tal, net.. FIELD ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT Radio Intelligence Division: 18 112 Supervisor, P-6.. Supervisor, P-5. Senior clerk, CAF-5. 2 Radio operator and technician, 3 247,000 133, 400 428,000 4,000 Reclassifications have been allocated to the proper positions in the total column requiring the change of: 13, P-2 to P-3; 13, P-3 to P-4; 3, P-4 to P-5; 3, P-5 to P-6. 73546-42-pt. 1—2 National defense activities appropriation, statement of total requirements for the fiscal year 1943, including extension of supplemental appropriation, 1942, and additional requests Continued AMOUNT REQUESTED OF AND ALLOWED BY THE BUDGET BUREAU Mr. LUDLOW. The amount of this estimate before us is $2,149,876: What did you ask the Budget for? Mr. WOODRUM. How much did the Budget cut you? Mr. JETT. Approximately $1,000,000. Mr. WOODRUM. What did you ask for, and by what amount did they cut your request? Mr. TABER. In connection with this particular request? Mr. LUDLOW. Yes; I am referring to this particular request. Mr. FLY. We asked the Budget for $3,191,338, and this amount of $2,149,876 was allowed. Mr. LUDLOW. Did they undertake to apply the cut in any way? Mr. JETT. No, sir; they broke it down. Mr. WOODRUM. They determined that 40 percent of broadcasting examination was sufficient, and your estimate was on the basis of 100 percent examination of broadcasting? Mr. JETT. No, sir; it was based on about 60 or 65 percent. INVESTIGATION OF CITIZENSHIP OF RADIO OFERATOR LICENSEES AND EMPLOYEES OF COMMUNICATIONS COMPANIES Mr. RABAUT. I want to ask you something about the immigration or naturalization feature of the work you are doing in the investigation of personnel. Mr. FLY. On what page is that? Mr. RABAUT. That is under the head of "Citizenship investigation," on page 7. Is that something that should really go to one of the duly constituted departments of the Government handling such matters? Mr. FLY. If this is not a duly constituted service, where would it be done? Mr. RABAUT. By the Naturlization Service. Mr. FLY. We are not concerned with naturalization. Here we are concerned with two factors: First, we are required to license only citizens, and, second, it is of the utmost importance that the radio operators in this country be not merely citizens but loyal citizens. You have here men who are sitting at the nerve centers of our whole military system, and it is utterly essential that we know who those men are, and to know as best we may where their loyalty lies. Mr. RABAUT. I am just wondering why this activity comes under this particular branch of the Government. Mr. FLY. Because we cannot get the F. B. I. to do this work until there is evidence requiring an investigation. We request them to do a lot of work of this kind. Mr. WOODRUM. You license people and require certain data, and you are in a better position to do this than any other agency? Mr. FLY. Yes, sir. They would never do this job as thoroughly as we do because they lack the license records. We are charged with the duty of determining their qualifications and seeing that they are citizens, and that they have everything that goes along with that. If they are to be licensed then, in the public interest, we must have loyal citizens performing this work. Mr. RABAUT. My question intended no reflection on your Department; but here is the Department of Justice and here is the Depart ment of Commerce working in this field. Do you think that they want a lot of disloyal people in any department of the Government service? Mr. FLY. We have requested those people to investigate any number of radio operators, but they have declined to do it unless we have evidence of disloyalty or information upon which such charge may be made. Mr. RABAUT. They decline to do it, and so you must do it yourselves; but it is surprising to me to learn that they do not do it. Are these employees fingerprinted? Mr. FLY. Yes, sir. Mr. RABAUT. What do you do with the fingerprints? Mr. FLY. We are filing those fingerprints with other biographical data, and we have requested the F. B. I. to make a check on the fingerprints in each case. We keep, and will continue to keep complete data on them, with the complete records, whatever they may be. Mr. RABAUT. I have in mind that in connection with the other departments, all of this work is really within the scope of the Department of Justice. These fingerprints are supposed to be kept in one place, and I think that is a good idea. Mr. FLY. We have given them the right to check them. They have the right to take the whole group and check them. They have not done that for the group as a whole. They have had access to particular ones at all times. All of that will be done shortly. FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR NATIONAL DEFENSE ACTIVITIES, 1942, AND AMOUNT REQUESTED FOR 1943 Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. For national defense or war activities you have in the pending independent offices appropriation bill a total of $2,665,157. Mr. FLY. Yes, sir. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. And you are asking for $2,149,876? Mr. FLY. Yes, sir. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Which, if allowed, would give you a total of $4,815,033 for the fiscal year 1943? Mr. FLY. Yes, sir. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. What do you have for comparative purposes for the current fiscal year? Mr. FLY. For defense activities- Mr. WIGGLESWORTH (interposing). I want the figures to show what you had for comparative purposes. You had originally $1,920,000 for what we call national defense activities. Mr. FLY. Yes, sir. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. And we gave you a supplemental appropriation of $585,195. Were any other funds made available to you during the fiscal year 1942 for those purposes? Mr. FLY. None, except for some funds that the Army gave us. Mr. JETT. And the 1942 deficiency appropriation. The CHAIRMAN. The one that you refer to is the appropriation of $587,000? Mr. JETT. Yes, sir. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. How much did you get from the Army and Navy? Mr. FLY. $45,000 from the Army. We had a total for national defense activities for the fiscal year 1942 of $3,316,195. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Then you must have received over $800,000 from the Army, Navy, the President's emergency fund, or from some other place. Mr. FLY. You are including the $404,000 for foreign broadcasting service. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. That is a defense activity, is it not? Mr. FLY. Yes, sir. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. I want the comparable figures for 1942 that you are requesting for the fiscal year 1943. Mr. FLY. That would be $3,316,000. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Where does the balance of $800,000 come from? Apparently it was not from an appropriation. Mr. FLY. They are increases that we are asking for, and they are set forth here. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. When you revise your remarks, insert a table showing the funds received for national defense applicable to the fiscal year 1942. If what you stated is correct, it would be $3,316,195. The two appropriations that I have referred to aggregate $2,507,195, and the balance should be accounted for in the table you are to furnish. Mr. FLY. The disparity is that amount of $404,000 for foreign broadcasting monitoring. Mr. JETT. That was the amount authorized for foreign broadcast monitoring. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Where does the difference of $800,000 come from? Mr. FLY. That money was expended on account of the foreign broadcast monitoring service. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Clear that up when you revise your remarks. Mr. FLY. I will do so. Summary of appropriations and estimates, fiscal years 1942 and 1943 $1,920,000 in Independent Offices Appropriation Act, 1942; $600,000 in Second Deficiency Appropriation Act, 1941; $209,000 in First Supplemental National Defense Appropriation Act, 1942; and $587,195 in First Deficiency Appropriation Act, 1942. The amount of $3,316,195 does not include $45,000 transferred from the War Department as a working fund to cover a portion of the cost of the Radio Intelligence Center, San Francisco. 'In Independent Offices appropriation bill, 1943. PRESENT NUMBER AND PROPOSED ADDITIONAL NUMBER OF PERSONNEL Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. On pages 1 and 2 of the justifications, put in parallel columns a statement of the number of positions you are requesting, and the number of positions you already have, and which are included in the independent offices appropriation bill, so we can see what we have already allowed you in each case, in comparison with the increase requested. Mr. FLY. I will do so. (The statement requested is as follows:) |