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Service, especially in the Pittsburgh steel area, from Army Ordnance, from the Labor Relations people of the Army and Navy, from employers themselves, and sometimes from the unions to come in and help in a disturbing labor situation or manpower situation, where in every case there has been practically a cessation of production. The Jones & Laughlin Steel Corporation has used us several times. Most of those times it was the United States Conciliation Service which wired us or got us on long-distance telephone and said, "Many thousands of tons of steel will be tied up. There are some minority group workers involved, and we are sure you can help.'

We always sent a man into Pittsburgh before we had a regional office there, where 30,000 tons of steel might be tied up, or something like that.

We got a request not only from the United States Conciliation Service, but from the directors of the Jones & Laughlin Co., one of whom happened to be in Washington and telephoned both the national office and our office in Pittsburgh. So we had a Government agency and a very responsible member of management asking us in that instance. We had to rush a man by plane to Pittsburgh. That is because it was felt that it was important.

On at least two occasions when the Army and Navy labor relations departments had difficult cases, and the United States Conciliation Service, too, they have asked our men to go into plants. We have had at least one man who just stayed in a plant all night.

I could list several companies; but that is the kind of request we get from Government agencies or management.

Mr. CANNON. Is there anything further?

Mr. TABER. I do not think I have anything more now.
Mr. CANNON. Mr. Wigglesworth?

PRESENTATION OF ESTIMATES TO THE BUDGET BUREAU

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. When were your estimates presented to the Budget, Mr. Ross?

Mr. Ross. About January, I think.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Why were they not presented before that time?

Mr. Ross. That was their request, sir; they set the date.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. That is the only request you had from the Budget?

Mr. Ross. Yes, sir.

AMOUNTS EXPENDED FOR PUBLIC RELATIONS AND PENALTY MAIL

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You have furnished me, I think, with a statement of reallocations upward during the past year?

Mr. Ross. Yes, sir.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. I wish you would put something into the record that will show the amount expended for penalty mail and also for publicity and public relations by fiscal years since your organization was set up.

Mr. Ross. Very well, sir.

(The information requested is as follows:)

STATEMENT OF AMOUNTS EXPENDED FOR PUBLIC RELATIONS, JUNE 25, 1941, THROUGH MARCH 31, 1945

The committee's entire responsibilities under Executive orders 8802 and 9346 are administered and made effective through persuasion and negotiation. In a troad interpretation the entire committee program may be defined as public relations; however, the data presented below covers only specialized informational activities. The costs include those for distribution of information within the agency as well as for external public distribution. All items other than personal services represent a pro rata distribution of direct and indirect costs.

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STATEMENT OF AMOUNT EXPENDED FOR PENALTY MAIL, FISCAL YEAR 1945

The Committee on Fair Employment Practice has been billed by the Post Office Department for the cost of handling penalty mail during the fiscal year 1945 as follows:

First quarter..

Second quarter.........

Total (6 months)....

$117.00

183. 90

300. 90

Billings for the third quarter have not been completed, but the committee's volume of outgoing correspondence indicates that the rate of expenditure for the wecond quarter will be repeated in the third and fourth quarters of this fiscal year.

FIELD OFFICES

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Your field set-up is represented by how many local offices?

Mr Ross. Fifteen. Nine of those are offices located in cities where the War Manpower Commission have their offices, regional offices. The others are in cities like Detroit and New Orleans, where we found that we needed people to process cases.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You say you have nine regional offices. What do you call the other six?

Mr. Ross. Subregional offices.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You are asking for a total of 83 in the field. That means that you run around 5 or 6 per office on the average? Mr. JONES. This contemplates the establishment of a total of 20 offices.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You have 15 now, and you want to set up 5

more?

Mr. JONES. Five additional offices.

I would like to point out that we do not have in mind a fixed pattern of offices. Whenever the problem that we handle becomes stable in any area where we have a suboffice that office will be closed and moved to a more critical area. Our staffs, as you can see, run a little in excess of an average of four per office, including clerical.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Have you given us a list of those offices?
Mr. JONES. Yes. It is on page 58.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Are they the present offices, or do they include the new ones?

Mr. JONES. That list includes the new ones.

Mr. Ross. The actual employment is on the left. This is requested for 1946.

Mr. JONES. The blank items under "Actual" would be the ones that are not now open.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Norfolk, Indianapolis, Memphis, Denver, and Seattle?

Mr. JONES. Yes, sir.

OTHER OBLIGATIONS

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. I notice that under "Other obligations" there is a 39-percent increase requested, and I think each and every item shows an increase over what you have been using during the current year?

Mr. JONES. That is correct.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Where is that broken down in the justification?

Mr. JONES. In the green sheets, which appear in the printed document of the Budget submitted to the Congress by the President. I can insert it in the record for you; that is, a comparison with other obligations by fiscal years for 1944, 1945 and 1946. (Informal discussion off the record.)

TRAVEL, COMMUNICATIONS, ETC.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. There is a 20-percent increase in "Travel”; a 25-percent increase in "Communications"; a 25-percent increase in "Rents and services"; over a 25-percent increase in "Other contractual services," and a 15 percent increase in "Supplies and materials.

Mr. Ross. May I point out how really thin a coverage we have at the present moment. We have 37 field examiners covering 48 States and the District of Columbia. In visiting our Detroit office a few months ago I found 1 man there with a case load of 158. It is beyond the possibility of a man to process that many cases; and a delay in the processing of a case is serious. It can become aggravated. We simply had to transfer a man up there. We have comparable situations in a lot of places over the country.

(Informal discussion off the record.)

INCREASE IN SALARY OF CHAIRMAN

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Does this change reflect an increase in the salary of the Chairman from $8,000 to $10,000?

Mr. Ross. The Chairman's salary was $10,000 at the beginning of his incumbency, but the Senate Appropriations Committee cut it $2,000 last year.

Mr. LUDLOW. This simply restores it to what it was before?
Mr. Ross. That is correct, sir.

PRINTING AND BINDING

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Why do you need an increase in printing and binding?

Mr. JONES. The increase for printing and binding is requested because of the addition of fiscal functions that we have taken over. When we appeared last year the Division of Central Administrative Services performed all fiscal service for the agency. Now we perform sil of them, and of course are required, under the general regulations of the Controller General and of the Treasury Department, to install fiscal procedures that require the purchase of printing and binding materials. We have a large backlog of requests of employers to give to them our best experience in the adjustment of problems that come. about through integrating the minority groups. We have handled such requests on a more or less ad hoc basis. The problems are so general and so widespread and the requests are so numerous that we have decided that the best manner of handling them is to give out to the many employers and unions who make requests a pamphlet that presents the best experience for their guidance. We do not have scient manpower available to be constantly going back and forth to them to give them eid, and we thought that in such a document we could at least put all the general information and therefore reduce the amount of time we have to spend in direct contact in helping them.

TRAVEL EXPENSES

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. I see you are jumping up the travel item from $5,000 to $71,000.

Mr. JONES. That increase is primarily in connection with the crease in the number of persons who will be required to travel. I ght point out that although the amount of $63.800 was available for 1945, we are actually spending considerably less than thatabout $50,000-because there was just not enough money available to carry the number of persons needed. We found it was cheaper to ten an office, even upon a temporary basis, and station an employee there, than to constantly tranport them from the regional headarters cities to outlying industrial centers and have them remain in those cities at such cost. Each office we have opened has been opened at a reduction in travel cost. In this manner we have be able to hire critically needed additional personnel. They have

n financed out of travel savings. The effectiveness of our work as been seriously affected by limited funds. The backlog of cases : the period of pendency is mounting.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. On the basis of 141 people that you are re Sting, it figures out about $500 for each employee. I am told that a is the top average for any domestic agency.

Mr. JONES. But, 48 percent of our total staff travels which is also for domestic agencies. Because of limited funds we concentrate many people as possible in operating functions.

Mr Ross. May I interject that the committee itself lives in scattered parts of the country and they have to be transported to meetings, bearings, and it amounts to a considerable item.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. One other question. Is there any authority at law for the seizure and operation of any plant or other property of a person, firm, or corporation for failure to abide by any rule or regulation of the committee?

Mr. Ross. None.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. That is all, Mr. Chairman.

The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Case?

TRANSFER OF FUNDS

Mr. CASE. Mr. Ross, Executive Order 9346 at one point seems to contemplate the possible transfer of funds to the Director of the Bureau of the Budget. Have any funds been made available to you by the Director of the Bureau of the Budget without appropriation by the Congress?

Mr. Ross. Not during the past fiscal year. Last year was the first time we appeared before this committee seeking an appropriation. Before that we were financed out of the President's funds.

Mr. CASE. Do you anticipate any funds being transferred to you or made available, outside of an appropriation, for the coming fiscal year?

Mr. Ross. No, sir.

DRAFT DEFERMENTS

Mr. CASE. Do you have any deferments in your personnel?

Mr. Ross. Yes; we have deferments: I am not prepared to say offhand how many. I could furnish you with the number.

Mr. CASE. Will you place in the record the number of deferments you have and the percentage of that figure to your total personnel? Mr. Ross. Surely.

(The information requested is as follows:)

STATEMENT ON DRAFT DEFERMENTS AS OF MARCH 31, 1945

The total number of deferments granted the Committee on Fair Employment Practice as of March 31, 1945, is 17. This represents 14 percent of the total employees. The following table shows the total number in each grade classif cation with corresponding titles:

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INFORMATION AND PUBLIC RELATIONS

Mr. CASE. Where do you find the authority in the Executive order for the fourth of the major activities in the program of activities that you list at page 5 of your statement? The first three are clearly

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