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Mr. RICHARDSON. In the case of intercity for-hire trucks they are transporting about 20 percent more freight than in 1941. Corsiderable variation is found in other forms of truck transportation, but generally the level of traffic is greater than before the war. This traffic has been handled with about 15 billion fewer truck-miles than were operated in 1941.

Mr. CASE. What is the ration of that to the job that was done in World War No. I by the railroads?

Colonel JOHNSON. They did not do a job in World War I. You had paralysis from one end of the country to the other.

Mr. TABER. You had Government operation.
Colonel JOHNSON. Yes; Government operation.
Mr. CASE. That still does not tell us what I asked for.

Mr. RICHARDSON. As far as intercity carriers go, it is about 15 percent of the tonnage and 6 percent of the ton-miles. As far as trucks as a whole go, including trucks in local service, it is about 62 percent of the tonnage and about 8 percent of the ton-miles. There are about 633,000 for-hire trucks, and there are 4,100,000 trucks being privately operated on farms, and so forth.

Colonel JOHNSON. A large part of that was done before by horsedrawn vehicles and everything else.

Mr. Case. From the standpoint of handling freight, has motor transportation relieved the railroads in the same proportion or a greater proportion than the ton-miles would show?

Mr. RICHARDSON. A great deal more.


(See p. 772) Mr. CASE. How much increase has there been in what the waterways have done in this war compared with World War I?

Mr. TURNER. There has been a considerable increase, I would say, probably 25 to 30 percent.

Mr. SNYDER. I think it is more than that. You better look it up.

Mr. TURNER. No, I think not; because we lost some tonnage in waterways which cuts it down.

Mr. SNYDER. He is speaking about compared with World War I.

Mr. TURNER. There was, of course, very little transportation by water in World War I, except on the Great Lakes.

Mr. CASE. So, that the waterways have taken a great part of the load ir. World War II?

Mr. T'URNER. As against World War I.

Colonel JOHNSON. They are taking a great proportion of it in this war.

Mr. King. This is part of the statement that Colonel Johnson made to the Senate committee just a few days ago, and quoting from page 23 on the subject of waterways, he said:

There was, however, increasing freight carried on inland waterways of the United States including the Great Lakes for the years 1943, '44, and '45. In 1943, 141,600,000,000 ton-miles were carried by water. In 1944, 152,000,000,000 is estimated to have been carried, and for 1945, the estimate is 155,000,000,000.

Tonnage moved on the Great Lakes falls into four important classes-iron ore, coal, gráin, and limestone. In 1943, 175,000,000 net tons of those commodities were carried; in 1944, 184,000,000 and for 1945 the estimate is 188,000,000. In 1944 Great Lakes tonnage amounted to more than 242 times the total of all off-shore tonnage including all exports of every description. Our Inland Waterways have transported substantial quantities of petroleum and petroleum products—in 1943, 292.5 million barrels; 1944, 352.3 million barrels and the estimate for 1945, is 394,1 million barrels.

Mr. CASE. I did not catch right at the first whether that is simply the Great Lakes or does that include other waterways, the Ohio and the Mississippi?

Mr. King. This is everything.


Mr. Case. Has there been any substantial increase in liquid transportation made by the pipe lines?

Colonel Johnson. Yes; after they got into operation. We have a statement giving the percentage hauled by rails and pipe lines, and it brings it on down, and shows the relationship.

We were hauling more than a million barrels a day for the whole week at one point.

Mr. CASE. At this point will you put in the paragraph that relates to the pipe-line transportation when you correct your transcript?

(The matter referred to is as follows:) Percentage distribution of petroleum and products by rail, pipe line, tanker, and

barge into district I

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13 months.

Deliveries by pipe line into district I 1941:

January, February, March..
April, May, June
July, August, September..

October, November, December. 1942:

83, 100 132, 305 126, 049 138, 645

January, February, March..
April, May, June..
July, August, September.

October, November, December. 1943:


158, 447 178, 049 180, 789 185, 614 187, 529 190, 074 195, 018 262, 803 358, 830 397, 898 434, 314 472, 461

Deliveries by pipe line into district - Continued 1944:

Barrels per day January

482, 347 February

505, 637 March,

634, 572 April.

677, 510 May

655, 208 June..

685, 846 July

696, 219 August.

710. 165 September

722, 635 October..

710, 724 November

730, 574 December

739, 753 1945: January

744, 047 February

735, 000 March

735, 716 Mr. Case. So that the picture of comparison between World War I and World War II is not given by simply saying that we have so many fewer freight cars, and so many fewer locomotives.

Colonel JOHNSON. But this statement shows it. We shipped more in March to Germany, in one month, than we shipped in the entire First World War.

Mr. Case. When the railroads were under Government operation.

Colonel JOHNSON. Well, they were under Government operation in the First World War, but we shipped more stuff to Germany in the month of March, when we were paralyzed by this freeze, from the New York group of ports, than we shipped in the entire First World War, and in addition to what we did there in March what we did in the Pacific and the other ports.

USE OF ALLOCATION FROM THE PRESIDENT'S EMERGENCY FUND Mr. Case. You stated you got $5,000,000 from the President's emergency fund. Has that been used for any purpose other than in connection with the operation of these truck lines?

Colonel JOHNSON. No; none whatever.

Mr. Case. Are you receiving any other emergency funds from any other source?

Colonel Johnson. None whatever.
Mr. CASE. Or any other transfers from any other source?

Colonel Johnson. As to transfers, there may be some little transfers.

Mr. Holmes. We have some lend-lease money, which amounts to $1,000,000.

Mr. CASE. $1,000,000?
Mr. HOLMES. Yes.
Mr. Case. Does that pay any of your personnel?


(See p. 765) Mr. Case. You referred to the estimate you prepared in the fall on the basis of a one-front war, and then the revision on the basis of a two-front war, and now a further revision on the basis of a one-front war.

Colonel Johnson. The first statement for a one-front war is just like the Budget passed it, $7,700,000.

Mr. CASE. So, the estimate now before us is the one you made up last fall, and you have gone back to that?

Colonel JOHNSON. That is right.

Mr. CASE. In the figures that you gave us of a total for this year of $17,000,000, approximately

Colonel Johnson. No; $7,000,000.

Mr. Case. No; for the current year, $17,000,000; is overtime for your personnel allowed in that figure?

Mr. HOLMES. Yes, sir.

Mr. Case. Does the estimate of $7,700,000 for 1946 include over time?

Colonel Johnson. The $700,000, I understand is overtime.
Mr. HOLMES. There is no provision for overtime in that estimate.

Mr. CASE. So that overtime would have to be added to it, if it is continued, to make a comparative figure?

Mr. Holmes. Yes; approximately $1,200,000 for overtime.

Mr. Case. I have one question with respect to these people that are being paid by the railroads.

Mr. CANNON. Do you want to ask that of Colonel Johnson?


Mr. CASE. Yes; I want to ask Colonel Johnson, as he was the one who testified that the railroads were setting some directors up and paying them $25,000 a year and their expenses. Will you place in the record a list of these persons who are being paid salaries for Government work by the people who are paying them, the names of the persons and the names of the railroads, and the duties to which they are assigned?

Colonel JOHNSON. Yes; I will. (The matter referred to is as follows:) In answer to your question, it must be stated that the Washington staff employees that I referred to do not receive salaries for services performed for the Office of Defense Transportation. These individuals are on leave of absence from their respective railroad companies and the railroad companies are continuing to pay their former salaries while in this leave of absence. This list follows:

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Mr. CANNON. Thank you, Colonel Johnson. We appreciate your testimony, and we appreciate your service to the country.

Mr. RABAUT. Colonel, you are as familiar with this subject as you were with aeronautics.

Colonel JOHNSON. Yes.


Mr. TABER. I want a break-down of your monthly expenditures.
Mr. CANNON. That can be supplied by the staff, I take it.
Mr. TABER. Can you give it to me now?
Mr. White. I think we can give it to you for the current fiscal year.
Mr. TABER. For the current fiscal year as far as you have gone.

Mr. HOLMES. July, $1,442,000; August, $1,379,000; September, $1,313,000; October, $1,313,000, in round figures; November, $1,348,000; December, $1,055,000; January, $942,000; February, $979,000, and March, $1,023,000.

Mr. TÁBER. Do you have April?
Mr. HOLMES. No; we estimate April at $1,025,000.
Mr. TABER. What do you estimate the rest of the year at?
Mr. HOLMES. About $1,025,000 for the rest of the fiscal year.

Mr. TABER. What are you going to do the first 3 months of the following year?

Mr. Holmes. There would be a slight cut-back to a little less than $1,000,000 a month, naturally, with a reduction in force.

Mr. TABER. I notice the estimate calls for "approximately."

Mr. HOLMES. I will qualify that, Congressman. During July, beginning July 1, we will not pay overtime to employees unless a new law is passed.

Mr. TABER. I appreciate that.

Mr. HOLMES. That will make a great deal of difference there. It would be approximately $875,000 a month for the first quarter.

Mr. TABER. You figure the overtime to run about $100,000?
Mr. HOLMES. Approximately.
Mr. SNYDER, Mr. Taber, overtime for whom?
Mr. Holmes. Government employees.
Mr. TABER. Their employees.
I think those are all the questions I have.


Mr. WIGLESWORTH. Your overtime for the fiscal year 1945 is estimated at $1,850,000, and judging from what you say, you hope to realize an unexpended balance of about $3,000,000 in the current year; do you not?

Mr. HOLMES. That is correct.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. So, that means your estimated expenditures for this year would run around $12,200,000?

Mr. HOLMES. Yes; without overtime.
Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Ex overtime, yes.
Mr. HOLMES. That is correct.


Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. What are you doing down in Puerto Rico? I see you have a force there.

Mr. WHITE. We have had a force there since 1942.

Mr. WiGGLESWORTH. What are they doing down there? You have 38 people there.

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