Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. 1 1 thought you said there were 53,000. AM Mr. MTER. There are 20,000 that we estimate will not be eligible' for relocation, and if you subtract the 20,000 from the 72,755 it will leave you around 33.000 at the 20,000, from the Mr. TABER. You have some who will not be eligible for relocation scattered at other places? Mr. MYER. That is right. There will be about '20,000 as near as we can estimate, in that category." Mr. TABER. I would like you to set, qut in the record how many you have and where they are. 1 Sitor 1. Mr. MYER. Mr. Taber, I cannot give you the exact number. That is only an estimate based upon what we think will be the Army action; they make a determination as to the number of people and that estimate is changing every day. b land of Hg ban Fre forq edt 16 9200 Mr. TABER I see cigar lo solo 5 oqab of Mr. MYER. We do not make that determination, and we simply have. had to make that an estimate om `id 1809 ndt a vob bus qu Mr TABER. The 72,755 is an estimate?... Iluq A moda yd snob Mr. MYER No, the 72,755 is an accurate figure.u borom i boy iura Mr. TABER. I thought you said it was an estimate.zo odt to Mr. MMER No; that is not an estimate.b dann woll #T... M Mr. TABER. Can you give me a break-down of the number in the centers? 2eq 000,0 mod. aterM M Mr. MYER. I have some figures right here that I will be glad to give you for the record, or I can give them to you, now! :ono LLCİK DİK Mr.TABER. I believe I would like you to put the table in the record,. setting it up in tabular form somobi onmyhodog 97ad ban to vreme, Mr. MYER Very well. no ziemnat. lotto, doj unt Mr. TABER. How does this figure of 72,755 compare with the, nums ber that you had a year ago when you were up here to doj Mr. MYER Approximately 18,000 less loud Jou godi Mr. TABER. I would like to recheck that figure as of April 1 last, year because I do not have the figures with me, but I can get the figures for you. botasol eard on ody Taubzibat oil Mr.. TAHER. I wish you would put that in the record as a separate column on, this other table.ol Bad Hig werd ban 2181 IngĄ to 14 Mr. MYER. The figures to compare with a year ago of approximately April 1? Mr. TABER. Yesid o no oben oroz (The statement requested follows:) «.1979 vod bubbat yoT I i Comparative statement of genter population 7,638 lot Total Mr. TABER. You told us that you expected to get rid of underSood you to testify that there would be only about 40,000 by the 1st f July. olqooq 000 € 16 !bug-nod1 671 so são plon17 aniTM Mr. MYER. Forty-four thousand. Including the 20,000 that was estimated for Tule Lake, there will be all told about 64,000 by the 1st of July. Mr. TABER. You only expect to get rid of about 8,000? Mr. MYER. During the next 2 months, about 9,000. TIME NEEDED TO LIQUIDATE OPERATIONS UNDER WAR RELOCATION AUTHORITY Mr. TABER. How long do you expect to have to operate this situation? Mr. MYER. We expect, Mr. Taber, to be out of the business, so far as the War Relocation Authority is concerned, within the next fiscal year. We do not know as yet just how long it is going to take to dispose of the property and get the final details in order. We have two types of property to dispose of: One of them is the property that we are looking after for the evacuees, personal property in warehouses up and down the coast. We are estimating that we can get that job done by about April 1 so we can turn it over to someone else. If we can get it geared up with the disposal agency we hope to have most of the Government property disposed of by April or May of 1946. Mr. TABER. How much do you expect to have on hand at the 1st of January 1946? Mr. MYER. About 20,000 persons. Mr. TABER. And how many on the 1st of April 1946? Mr. MYER. None; because they will have been turned over by that time to the Department of Justice and we will be out of the business January 2 and have nobody in residence if our schedule is maintained. Our job, from the 1st of January on, will be to complete the liqui dation of the other eight centers, the property, and to complete the job of adjustments as far as the evacuees' property is concerned, and to assist those not finally adjusted for 2 or 3 months after centers are closed. Mr. TABER. That is, to complete the adjustment job altogether of the individuals who are being relocated. Mr. MYER. We plan to maintain our relocation staff until about the 1st of April 1946, and there will be a few things probably that will require attention after the 1st of April, but the staff will be drastically reduced after April 1, 1946. Mr. TABER. These estimates were made on the basis of that reduction, were they? Mr. MYER. Yes. They include, however, as far as personnel is concerned, the terminal leave that would accrue within this fiscal year: there will be an accumulation, as you know, of leave, so that the esti mates are based not only on the completion of the work job but terminal leave of those who may resign from the Government or move out. Mr. TABER. How many people did you have in this group on the 1st of April, or right around the 1st of April 1944? Mr. MYER. That is what I told you I would have to get for the record. I do not have that figure. Mr. TABER. You could not give me an estimate now? Mr. MYER. I can give you a pretty good idea. It was around 91,000 or 92,000 people. BER. Ninety-one or two thousand? Mr. MYER. Yes; in all centers. I would like to have the opportunity to correct that figure for the record, because I can check it accurately when I get back to the office. [The exact figure for April 1, 1944, was 92,715.] EXPENDITURES, 1945 AND 1946 Mr. TABER. I would like to have you give me your expenditures to this date, altogether, and a table indiating the monthly expenditures so far this fiscal year, with an estimate of what you will have the rest of the fiscal year; and then I would like to have you give me an estimate of what you expect to expend in the next fiscal year, by months. Mr. MYER. I would like to ask you a question: Do you want the total expenditures for the whole life of the Authority, or just for this fiscal year? Mr. TABER. I am asking for this fiscal year. Mr. MYER. We will furnish that. (The information requested follows:) Monthly expenditures for the fiscal year 1945 (estimated for the months of April, May, and June) and apportionment by months of estimate of appropriation for fiscal year 1946 Mr. TABER. You have another activity which I do not believe has been touched on yet. Mr. MYER. The refugee shelter? Mr. TABER. Yes. I will take up when we reach that item in the justifications. I believe that is all I have until we get to the details. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Mr. Myer, when was your estimate presented to the Budget? Mr. MYER. About January 15, Mr. Wigglesworth. We started Working on it immediately after the mass exclusion was lifted, December 17, and I think we actually got it over to the Bureau of the Budget about the middle of January. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. What was the first day you were requested to appear before the Budget? Mr. MYER. February 5. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. That was the first date you were requested to appear before the Budget? Mr. MYER. Yes, for this year's budget, you mean? Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Yes; for this year's budget. Mr. MYER. Of course we have met with the Budget committee from time to time to report progress. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You prepared this on a man-year basis at the request of the Budget? Mr. MYER. Yes; it was prepared on a man-year basis at their request. PENALTY MAIL Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. I wish you would put in the record a statement showing the penalty mail costs, by years, including the estimate we have before us. Mr. MYER. This last fiscal year. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. For each fiscal year you have been in operation, and including the request you are now making, and also a similar statement in respect to the money expended on publicity, public relations, by fiscal years, including the one we now have before us. Mr. MYER. Yes. (The information requested follows:) PENALTY MAIL COSTS There were no penalty mail costs prior to the fiscal year 1945 which are estimated at $26,250. This estimate of appropriation does not provide for an estimated $30,000 for the fiscal year 1946 as it is being included by the Department of the Interior in their estimate. Publicity and public-relations costs Publicity and public-relations costs are estimated, by fiscal years, as follows: 1943 1944 $84, 380 1945. 122, 744 1946_ $204, 168 160, 740 Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. You have already given us a statement as to the promotions in the higher brackets, I believe. Mr. MYER. That is right. BREAK-DOWN OF FUNDS AVAILABLE BY FISCAL YEARS Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Would you also furnish for the record a statement covering the over-all activities, showing a break-down of your construction and operation, and the outside sources of funds and the amount, you have received?" Mr. MYER. From the beginning? Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Yes; any emergency funds that have been appropriated, and funds received from other sources. Mr. MYER. The total cost, and the total funds we have had available; that is what you want Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Yes. The information requested follows: -m999M „bortil en moienloze zeem odƒ rooła zlotribonui si no P tool Source and amount of funds made available, and expenditures by fiscal years, Vieme, to olbbit of Ju Amount received by Transtorppropriation Expenditures 1943.. 1944. 1945. Total.. 48,170,000 S-mmm-mez, 199fund = "169662,075) 10 139-000000; U7 No99, viz deobud say aid 10 b,300,000.00 35, adds mott 99))immano trobić odt die jod 92nd ow 2:09 10 „zrell, all Approximately $11,852,000 of the total was expended for construction al piditjoraldacilities to mess, or requirements and the balance for operation of the centers. The original construction of the center by the War Deperti And Rhif cost foot included 16qgues TGV. The transfer from "Emergency fund for the President, national defense, LADJADE: $6,300,000, of which $667,075 was unexpended and made available for the Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. This request you are making is a full fiscal year's request? Mr. MYER. That is correct. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. A 12 months' request? Mr. MYER. That is right. PROBLEM ATTACHED TO RELEASING INTERNEES Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. As I understand it, since the decision by theWar Department to which you have referred, and since the decision. by the Supreme Court, overruling some of the regulations and requirements, all of these evacuees are free to leave and go home immediately if they want to, except such persons as may individually be Mr. MYER (interposing). Excluded by the War Department. Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Why should we not turn Tule Lake over to the Department of Justice to handle and tell the other people they are free to go? Mr. MYER. For the simple reason, Mr. Wigglesworth, that Tule Lake is now a mixed center; it is not only a segregation center. As I pointed out to the chairman, we have at Tule Lake several thousands of people who are free to go, who are now in that category, but who were placed at Tule Lake, but now under the decision of the War Department it has been determined that it is not necessary they be detained there any longer. And, that ties in with the whole relocation program, and we feel that it is possible to assist some of those persons to relocate before we finally turn the center over. We furthermore feel that it would be unjust to the program at this moment if we had any large movement of people between centers now! for it adds to the feeling of insecurity, the feeling of not knowing just exactly what is going to happen, and the whole problem is so complicated that it is going to take another, perhaps, 2 or 3 months to determine how many people are eligible to relocate and it may take longer. We have turned over approximately 1,000 people to the Department of Justice since about the 1st of January. 9 tel of 7bBot ei Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Well, here it is the 30th day of April and the Army's revision of its ruling was made December 17, was it not ? · Mr. MYER. All the determinations were not mådei fuit jou Ho7 (189 Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. I mean the decision on the policyed edtour Th Mr. MYER. The decision was made December 17 yes: ulq tools otai Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Prior to that date, you have told us, in previous hearings, I think, that you had made a very cardful investigation of every one of the evacuees under your jurisdiction for foit Mr. MYER. Yes. giten, to tom MY. WIGGLESWORTH. And you knew who they wereqweganor W. M Mr. MYER. We also had segregated some of theitol to no meo dw MH WICULESWORTH Particularly in respect to last year??? M MMYER! That is right. of olqong tot quidt veno s ton zi ti 1979 ME WIGLESWORTH! You have had altogether 4 months elapse) since the change of policy by the War Departmento Can you give! 18 og 91 79dt 919dweedmen ylimet 19: 1997) 72467-45 |