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Mr. TABER. Although very small?
Colonel Howse. That is correct.
Mr. TABER. Most of them, although some of them are big ones?

Colonel HowsE. I think the Willow Run plant is either the largest or the second largest in the country, I have forgotten which. There are few that are larger.

Mr. TABER. It is at least second, I know.
Colonel Howse. Yes.
Mr. TABER. But it may go further down the list.
Colonel Howse. Yes.

Mr. TABER. Now, did you find out how much was allocated to those special contracts?

Mr. McNAMARA. For other contractual services, the amount is $48,000,000. That is arrived at by lumping together all the estimates under that objective classification and taking the pro rata share of the total estimates of all the disposal agencies.

Mr. TABER. Are you estimating that out of your $156,000,000 appropriation that $48,000,000 is what would be allocated to other contractual services?

Mr. McNAMARA. No; three times $48,000,000.
Mr. TABER. Three times $48,000,000?

Mr. McNAMARA. Of the $60,000,000, $48,000,000 is for other contractual services, and that includes special studies, operating warehouses, and every kind of contract services that might be employed by the disposal agency. There is no specific figure for specific kinds of contractual services.

Mr. TABER. How much out of the $60,000,000?

Mr. McNAMARA. $48,000,000 out of the $60,000,000 would be other contractual services.

Mr. TABER. That includes special studies, and it includes warehouses?

Mr. McNAMARA. That is right; but there is no specific amount set aside for each class of contractual services.

Mr. Taber. You mean contracted warehousing?
Mr. MCNAMARA. That is correct.
Mr. Taber. How much is being paid now for warehousing?

Mr. McNAMARA. The disposal agencies will develop that information, Mr. Taber.

Mr. Taber. You do not know how much of the $48,000,000 is for the type of other contractual service that is involved here?

Mr. McNAMARA. No; we do not.

Colonel Howse. Mr. Taber, may I go back to the question you asked a moment ago? The disposal agency would have an engineering study made of the steel plant iu Utah. They are having one made now to the tune of about $150,000, I think it is. That study determines what the plant as a plant may be worth, the reproduction cost, the utilization of that particular plant, and its possible markets after the war. We would not propose to duplicate that study, but what we propose, and are required under the act to furnish Congress with, is a study of all iron and steel plants, not only the ones the Government owns, but the entire iron and steel industry, so that the effect of the disposal of the Geneva plant on the industry can be seen, so that a policy can be established by the Congress as to whether that plant will be sold or leased, and the terms under which it will be

disposed of. That is the difference that I would like to make between the engineering services, if you choose to call them that of the Board and of the disposal agencies. There is no duplication.

Mr. DIRKSEN. Colonel, then this will be almost entirely for engineering and appraisal expenditure?

Colonel HOWSF. I think it includes a few odds and ends, also a very small amount for duplicating and other material.

Mr. Burrows. It would also include the other normal contractual services for duplicating and other services of that kind.

Mr. DIRKSEN. You mean getting out statements to the public who may be interested, of course.

Colonel Howsh. Yes.

Mr. DIRKSEN. It is just a minor administrative item, but almost that entire $48,000,000

Mr. McNAMARA (interposing). Not $48,000,000, Mr. Dirksen, but $800,000.

Mr. DIRKSEN. $800,000?
Mr. McNAMARA. Yes.

Colonel Howse. Primarily the bulk of the $800,000 that we are requesting is for professional service.

Mr. DIRKSEN. That is only incident to the Board, however?
Colonel Hows. Yes; incident to the Board solely.

Mr. DIRKSEN. So that it will be largely consultative in nature and does not embrace all of the other contractual services that the disposal agencies will bring into the picture before they get through?

Colonel HowsE. I might brief you on this one, if I may. It has been covered before, but I think you would like to hear it.

Mr. DIRKSEN. Yes.

Colonel Howse. We are required under the terms of the statute to provide Congress with reports on 12 categories of industries that are delineated in the act. We have met with the various committees both of the House and the Senate that are concerned with those problems, and we have worked out in conjunction with them the form and type of report that they want, and these contractual services that we are asking for will be used as a part of the means of getting up the particular reports that have been specified by these congressional committees and that we are required under the law to furnish. But they are not single reports. They are continuing reports. Each plant that costs above $5,000,000 requires a recommendation from the Board to the Congress when the disposal is recommended to the Congress for approval, and the act specifically provides that any changes, and so forth, will be delineated to the Congress, and industrial changes will be pointed out so that it is a concurring proposition

Mr. DIRKSEN. Have you any information as to how many people you expect to engage under that item?

Colonel Howse. The number of people involved?

Mr. DIRKSEN. Or is it going to be entirely fluid, and you will take them as you need them and then take them off the rolls when you no longer need them?

Colonel Howse. It is going to be, we hope, continuously fluid because that would be one reason for contracting instead of hiring experts to come in.

Mr. DIRKSEN. You will hire them on a per diem for a limited period of time and then take them off the roll?

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Colonel Howse. Yes; that, in turn, would be governed by the number of plants declared surplus and the rate at which they will be declared surplus, and the locations in particular parts of the country, and the possible post-war uses, and the particular categories that they might be in. It is a kind of thing over which we have, at present, no control, and probably never will have.

Mr. CANNON. Any further inquiries before we take up the disposal agencies?

BACKGROUND OF OFFICERS OF THE SURPLUS PROPERTY BOARD

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. I wish you would at this point in the record give us a little background about the principal officials in your office, how many there are going to be at $6,500 or over.

Colonel Howse. We will be glad to do that.

Mr. WiGGLESWORTH. Telling us something about their experience and how much they get.

Colonel Howse. Yes.

(The information requested follows:) BACKGROUND OF THE PRINCIPAL EMPLOYEES OF THE SURPLUS PROPERTY BOARD Howse, Alfred E.

Consultant, February 26, 1945, without compensation; Administrator, April 1, 1945, without compensation.

Experience: From January to February 1945 was regional director of the Smaller War Plants Corporation; from February 26, 1942, was on active duty as colonel in the Air Corps as executive for procurement, Acting Chief of Staff of the Thirteenth Air Force Supply, and director of procurement on the Pacific coast procurement district; from 1920 to 1942 in Wichita, Kans., as trustee of the Howse estate, chairman of the Wichita Wholesale Furniture Co. and affiliated companies, president of the Forest Hills Cos. and affiliated companies, and partner in the Howse Investment Cos. Kribben, Earl.

Assistant Administrator; $9,000 per annum; entered on duty May 23, 1945.

Experience: From December 1942 to May 1945 with the Office of the Chief of Ordnance, with the rank of lieutenant colonel; from September to December 1942 consultant to Chief of Ordnance; from February 1938 to September 1942 secretarytreasurer, Marshall Field & Co., at salary of $16,500 to $41,250 per year; from June 1932 to February 1938 served in various capacities with the Commonwealth Edison Co., Peoples Gas Light & Coke Co., Public Service Co. of Northern Illinois, and a large number of subsidiary and affiliated interests at a salary of $4,800 to $12,000 per year; from December 1924 to June 1932 in various capacities with Marshall Field & Co. at a salary of $23 to $65 a week.

Education: 1920 to 1924, University of Minnesota, B. S. Amis, Robert Thomas.

Director, Compliance Division; $8,000 per annum; entered on duty May 1, 1945.

Experience: From January 1943 to 1945 was special assistant to the Secretary in the Department of Labor at a salary of $6,500 per year; July 1942 to December 1943 was special assistant to the Director of the Labor Division in the War Production Board at $6,500 per annum; from February 1940 to July 1942 was regional director of the Wage and Hour Division of Labor at a salary of $5,600; from 1935 to 1940 was chief investigator for the Farm Security Administration at $4,600 to $5,400 per annum; 1934 was Director of the Investigation Division in the Department of the Interior at $3,200 to $3,600; 1924 to 1933 was a special agent with the Federal Bureau of Investigation at $2,900 to $3,200 per annum.

Education: Georgetown, LL. B. Bonner, Paul N.

Assistant Director; CAF-15, $8,000 per annum; entered on duty April 9, 1945.

Experience: From April 1941' to March 1945 was Assistant Director of the Readjustment Division in the War Department at a salary of $4,600 to

$6,000; from July 1932 to April 1941 retired; July 1919 to July 1932 was vice president and general manager of the Stehli & Co., Inc., at a salary of $12,000 to $150,000.

Education: 1911 to 1913, Harvard. Burrows, Don S.

Executive' assistant to Administrator; CAF-14, $6,500 per annum; entered duty February 1, 1945.

Experience: From August 1944 to February 1945 was a consultant with tb Griffenhagen & Associates at a salary of $7,200 plus $1,800 expenses; August 1942 to August 1944 was Director (Administrative Division), Office of Price Admintration, at $5,600 to $6,500 per year; January 1941 to August 1942 was Cher Projects Section of the Department of Labor at $4,600 per year; November 193 to January 1941 was general office manager of the American President Lines s' $5,000; November 1936 to November 1938 was Chief, Procedures Section of the United States Maritime Commission at $3,200 to $3,800 per year; January 193* to September 1936, classification investigator, Farm Credit Administration $1,620 to $2,600 per year.

Education: University of California, A. B.; graduate work in public admin:-tration. Croft, Richard G.

Deputy Administrator, industrial property; $9,000 per annum; entered on dur May 21, 1945.

Experience: From August 1942 to March 1945 was a military governmesi officer in the European Civil Affairs Division ending as lieutenant colonel: Deeerrber 1941_to August 1942 was deputy chief to the Fiscal Director, Services ! Supply; December 1936 to December 1941 was executive secretary to John Har Whitney at salary of $25,000 to $30,000 per year; October 1924 to December 1938 was manager, Hayden, Stone & Co., at $1,040 to $10,000 per year.

Education: 1919 to 1924, Princeton University, A. B. Cruise, Gerald Vincent.

Consultant; without compensation, $10 per diem; when actually employec. P-8, $22.22 per day from May 1, 1945; entered on duty April 16, 1945.

Experience: 1943 to present, trustee New York State Power Authority: has also served as consultant to Foreign Economic Administration; August 1941 6March 1943 was trustee, New York State Power Authority at $75 per day; Octo ber 1939 to August 1941 was executive secretary for the New York State Power Authority at $7,500 per year; June 1937 to October 1939 was administrative assisant and acting chief engineer for the New York State Power Authority at $6,5001 per year; October 1935 to June 1937 was civil engineer for the New York Stair Power Authority at $5,200 per year; April 1933 to October 1935 was supervising engineer for the New York State Power Authority at $40 to $45 per week September 1930 to February 1932 with Quad Engineering Corporation as consulting civil engineer; April 1927 to September 1930 was power engineer for Stevens & Wood, Inc., at $350 per month; March 1923 to April 1927 was assistant hydraulic engineer for the Electric Bond & Share Co. at $200 per monti October 1921 to March 1923 was construction supervisor for the Chatham Eletrs & Engineering Co. at $75 per week; January to May 1919 worked for Fidelity Casualty Co. for $125 per month; June 1916 to January 1918 was field engineer for the J. G. White Engineering Corporation at $60 to $90 per month,

Education: 1912 to 1916, Manhattan College, B.S.C.E. Enquist, Ernest John.

Chief, Inventory Control Branch; CAF-14, $7,500; entered on duty May 19 1945.

Experience: January 1942 to May 1945 was director, general statisticiss staff, at War Production Board at $6,500 to $8,000 per year; February to Decem ber 1942, chief statistician, Foreign Trade Division, in the Bureau of Census, so $5,600 to $6,500 per year; April 1939 to January 1942, chief statistician, Surrere Bureau of Census, at $4,200 to $5,000 per year; September 1933 to March 1 was assistant statistician, Department of Agriculture, at $2,400 to $3,700 per year; September 1932 to June 1933, instructor in economics at the Lake Fore: College at $2,000 per year.

Education: Lawrence College, A. B.; University of Illinois, M. A.; Nord western, Ph. D.

Flato, Charles.

Special assistant; $6,500 per annum; entered on duty March 17, 1945.

Experience: October 1942 to March 1945 was principal analyst in the Foreign Economics Administration at $5,800 per year; December 1941 to October 1942 was Assistant Chief in the Reports Division in the Office of the Coordinator of Inter-American Affairs at $5,600 per year; January to December 1941 was information chief of the St. Lawrence Commission at $3,600 per year; July to December 1940 was staff assistant, pecial Committee on Migration, for the House of Representatives, at $3,200; August 1937 to June 1940 was investigator, Committee on Education and Labor, United States Senate, at $3,200 per year.

Education: High school, nine grades, did not graduate; Columbia University,

1 year.

Fuller, George E.

Associate real estate adviser; CAF-14, $6,500 per annum; entered on duty March 16, 1945.

Experience: From May 1941 to 1945 was employed as Chief, Planning and Appraisal Section of the War Department, at a salary of $4,600 to $5,800; from July 1938 to May 1941 was Chief Field Coordinator in the Agriculture Department at a salary of $3,800 to $4,000; January 1937 to July 1938 was Chief of Field Coordination in the Farm Security Administration at $3,200 to $3,800 per annum; December 1935 to January 1937 was in charge of the Field Coordination Unit for the Resettlement Administration at $2,600 to $3,200 per annum; April to November 1935 was field representative for the Farm Credit Administration at $1,800 per annum; March 1934 to April 1935 with the Farm Credit Administration at a salary of $8 per day plus $4 per day; October 1933 to March 1934 with the Federal land bank at $8 per day plus $4 per day.

Education: High school. Howard, Kenneth G.

Assistant Director; CAF-14, $6,500 per annum; entered on duty May 5, 1945.

Experience: From December 1941 to April 1945 was employed in the War Department as an adviser-consultant at a salary of $5,600 to $6,500 per annum; January 1940 to December 1941 was consultant with the G. O. Brewster Co. at $6,240 plus a percentage of the profits; February to November 1939 was manager of the Chico, Inc., salary was participation in the profits; August 1937 to February 1939, was sales manager with the Johns-Manville Co. working on a commission and override basis; February 1931 to July 1937, worked as chief engineering inspector for the city of New York at $3,600 per annum; September 1928 to February 1931, as trainee with Western Electric Co. at a salary of $35 to $49 per week; December 1927 to August 1928, was a test engineer aith the New York and Queens Light & Power Co. at a salary of $50 per week; April 1926 to December 1927 was communications engineer with the Boston and Albany, New York Central Railroad, at a salary of $50 per week; February 1923 to April 1926 worked as a trainee with the General Electric Corporation at a salary of $25 to $38 per week.

Education: 1920 to 1922, Signal School of Engineering, Vail, N. J. Kavanagh, Edward C.

Industrial specialist; CAF-15, $8,000 per annum; entered on duty June 1, 1944.

Experience: From 1942 to 1945 was colonel in United States Army; 1927 to August 1942 was in business for self as consultant for various banks and corporations, at salary of $6,000 to $36,000; 1922 to 1926, manager, U. S. Rubber Co., at $7,500 to $10,000; 1920 to 1922 Stedman Products Co. as sales agent on a commission basis; 1919 to 1920 was broker with the W. W. Lyon Co. at $6,000 to $7,000 per year; 1917 to 1919 was captain in the United States Army.

Education: 1908 to 1909, special student at Harvard University, Harvard Graduate School of Business Administration. Loth, David.

Director of information, CAF-15, $8,000 per annum; entered on duty May 21, 1945.

Experience: From May 1941 to 1945 was Chief of Publications for Office of Inter-American Affairs at $5,600 to $6,500 per annum; May 1944 to February 1945 was managing editor for Press Research, Inc., at $600 per month; November 1934 to May 1941 was copyreader for the New York Times at $60 to $90 per week; July 1920 to February 1931 was reporter, rewrite man, cable editor, assistant Sunday editor, acting Sunday editor, at $30 to $100 per week; March 1925 to

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