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Mr. ANDREWS. Are all of the 8 new positions requested included. in the complement of 40 for care of grounds and trees?

Mr. PINCUS. Yes, sir.

LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS, NORTHEAST AND SOUTHEAST TRIANGLES AT CAPITOL PLAZA

Mr. ANDREWS. You want $64,500 for landscape improvements in two triangles?

Tell us what these are?

Mr. STEWART. Mr. Pincus has that information.

Mr. PINCUS. May I present this drawing, which shows one of the typical triangles?

Mr. ANDREWS. Where is that triangle?

Mr. PINCUS. In the northeast section of the Capitol grounds where the settee is and the southeast section on the east front. Here is the Capitol Building; they are the small triangles here. Mr. ANDREWS. You plan one for each side?

Mr. PINCUS. That is correct. If I can show it on a larger scale, on this map of the Capitol it is here on the Senate side and here on the House side, where we put the new drinking fountains last year. These areas will be developed into parklike areas with walks, pools, benches, trees, and shrubbery, areas where people can gather, rest, and take in the beauty of the Capitol.

Mr. ANDREWS. There really would not be much space left for socalled resting areas and spots after you put in a small ornamental pool, would there?

Mr. PINCUS. Yes, sir; there will be ample space, with benches around the pool and benches on the perimeter walks.

LANDSCAPING OVER NEW GARAGES

Mr. ANDREWS. What are you going to do on top of the garages in front of the Congressional Hotel?

Mr. STEWART. That area will be landscaped. There will be a fountain located over each one of the garages and walks and granite benches and railing.

Mr. ANDREWS. It will be comparable to the garage on the Senate side?

Mr. STEWART. Yes, sir.

PRIORITY OF TRIANGLE LANDSCAPING PROJECT

Mr. ANDREWS. While this project for $64,500, Mr. Stewart, though undoubtedly will be pretty and improve the looks of the East Front area, you cannot quite say it is a high-priority item, can you? Mr. STEWART. No sir, not in the sense that we could not live without it. But it is something that is in step with the efforts that are being made in all of Washington to beautify the city.

Mr. ANDREWS. And to make Capitol Hill beautiful?
Mr. STEWART. That is right.

Mr. ANDREWS. The Congress can take it or leave it.

Mr. PINCUS. The existing sidewalks in these areas, are in bad shape and will have to be repaved in the very near future. They present a hazard as they are now.

Mr. ANDREWs. Is that in addition to the $64,000?

Mr. PINCUS. That is included. The cost of new sidewalk construction is estimated at $24,300 and constitutes about 40 percent of the total estimate of $64,000.

Mr. ANDREWs. Mr. Langen.

OVERTIME WORK

Mr. LANGEN. Mr. Chairman, I go back to the beginning and I note the 8 additional positions, which make an 81 total. Is that right? Mr. HENLOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. LANGEN. Do all of them work 44 hours a week?

Mr. HENLOCK. Yes, sir.

Mr. LANGEN. Which makes 4 hours of overtime?

Mr. HENLOCK. Yes, sir. Five and a half days a week. Saturday is the extra day.

Mr. LANGEN. What is the object of the half day on Saturdays and the need for that overtime? Couldn't it be done during the workweek? Mr. HENLOCK. We have to remove trash from the buildings in the Capitol group, for instance, on Saturdays. In order to get all of the work done during the summertime, the lawns and things of that nature, it takes 51⁄2 days to accomplish the work.

We show you, on page 45, $177,593 required for street repairs, and $132,357 for hauling trash, and work of that nature, which has to be done every day.

Mr. LANGEN. I am thinking about the overtime. Can it be staggered so that some of them did not start until noon on Monday, or something?

Mr. HENLOCK. We have made studies and found this is the most practical and, we feel, economical way to work it. As you know, in the case of Capitol Hill, with respect to white-collar employees generally on Capitol Hill, in your own offices and elsewhere under the Federal Employees Pay Act of 1945, every employee has added to his base pay 10 percent in lieu of overtime in general recognition of the necessity of a minimum 44-hour workweek. That is largely offset in the wage board system by the time-and-one-half requirement when similar work is done on Saturdays outside of regular working hours.

Mr. LANGEN. I suppose this will calculate out hurriedly, but what percentage of the cost here gets to be overtime? It means 4 hours a week.

Mr. HENLOCK. It actually amounts to 15 percent, because 4 hours overtime a week is 208 hours a year per man, and there are 2,080 hours in a 40-hour basic working week. In 52 weeks that adds one-tenth, and time and a half adds 5 percent to make it a total of 15 percent.

Mr. PINCUS. On Saturday mornings, we get the bulk of the cleanup on the Capitol Grounds. Due to cars parking on drives and parking lots, we are limited in the amount of cleaning work that can be done. Saturday is the only day we can do the major cleanup work, which also involves cleaning the steps on the Capitol.

Mr. LANGEN. That also means there is less on weekdays, so what I said about staggering could have some merit on that basis. If the greater part of the work is on Saturdays, it should be easier than to get along with part of the force on one of the weekdays, shouldn't it?

Mr. PINCUS. Everyone works during the week. For example, when the treemen work on the trees, the brush is left in piles, and what the trucks don't pick up during the week, they get on Saturdays.

USE OF ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL

Mr. LANGEN. I just raised the point from the standpoint of the extra cost that gets involved in the overtime pay for those 4 hours. If you say the major part of the cleanup work has to be done on Saturday, there is only 4 hours in which it can be done on Saturday. Mr. PINCUS. The Saturday cleanup of the grounds takes care of the weekend. We have one man assigned picking up around the Capitol on Sundays.

Mr. LANGEN. Then, adding these new triangles that will be planted with flowers, and things of that type, when they are completed this will require a few men to keep them up. Right?

Mr. PINCUS. That is included in the budget request.

Mr. LANGEN. When do you expect to have those finished?
Mr. PINCUS. We can have them finished within the year.

Mr. LANGEN. But you expect to put these men on on July 1, if we approve them now. So they will be on the payroll way before that work is completed.

Mr. PINCUS. There will only be one man who will be required for this section. The breakdown is shown on the sheet. Three of the men will be assigned to the underground garages which will be completed this summer.

Mr. LANGEN. They are not going to be ready on July 1, either, are they?

Mr. PINCUS. No, but they will be ready some time during the fiscal year, and three men will be required to maintain the landscaped areas above the underground garages. Two men will be required to maintain the areas around the House Office Buildings. They have been planted and will be completely planted by the end of the summer. One man will be required for the immediate Capitol Grounds which will be included in the new development. One man will be required to work around the Senate Office Building. One man will be assigned to the tree division. So not all will be working on the two parks.

Mr. LANGEN. I am raising the question primarily because you seem to indicate you are hiring eight additional positions to take care of the extra space that will come about because of the tops of the two underground garages and because of the addition of these two triangles. But neither one of those are going to be ready on July 1. As a matter of fact, you are not going to start working on the triangles until July 1 if we approve them here. It may well be that the beginning of that is not until well out in the year. So it raises the question, what are you going to use them for beginning July 1? You have salaries in here for all year, haven't you?

Mr. PINCUS. They will be working on other parts of the grounds. Mr. LANGEN. Are those parts of the ground, then, going to be in need of extra help when you take them off there and put them over on the new garage space and the new triangles?

Mr. PINCUS. I hope not, sir.

Mr. LANGEN. Is there need for that extra help beginning July 1? Mr. PINCUS. July 1 will be a good time to get extra help, if we can, to maintain what we already have, sir.

Mr. LANGEN. But at the same time your justification for hiring them is primarily for the purpose of taking care of these new areas, is it not?

Mr. PINCUS. Yes, sir. But if we can get them July 1, they will be working from July 1 in other needed areas until the areas that they would be assigned to are completed.

Mr. LANGEN. In that case, wouldn't you have these extra eight people beginning July 1 without the extra work that they are assigned for, and couldn't you then get along without the 4 hours overtime? Maybe they could work on Saturdays, or something. I just don't seem to be able to fit the timing together.

Mr. ANDREWS. Will the gentleman yield?

Mr. LANGEN. Surely.

Mr. ANDREWS. I think what the gentleman has in mind is that you will not need these eight extra people until these other projects come into the picture. You are getting along well, as is.

Mr. HENLOCK. Actually, only two of them are assigned to the underground garages. Work is already in place for the other four. Mr. ANDREWS. Thank you, Mr. Langen.

Mr. Roof. I believe we have September as the underground garage completion date.

Mr. HENLOCK. So it would be approximately 2 months in that case. Mr. Roof. Two or three months.

COMPLETION OF UNDERGROUND GARAGES

Mr. LANGEN. What is the completion date of the underground garage?

Mr. Roof. The last date I saw was September.

Mr. LANGEN. Didn't somebody say they did not expect them to be ready by then?

Mr. Roor. Mr. Stewart was referring to the original date, which was April.

Mr. STEWART. They were supposed to be completed in April.

ADDITIONS TO WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM

Mr. LANGEN. I saw something about the water supply. What is involved in this addition to the water supply?

Mr. STEWART. I will ask Mr. Rubel to speak to that item. It comes under his department.

Mr. RUBEL. Gentlemen, the request for this appropriation is prompted by the District Fire Department, and they have very good reasons for urging us to make some improvements in the water supply to the Capitol Building, primarily for fire protection purposes.

At the present time about three-quarters of the Capitol Building, and that covers everything except the House wing, is supplied from a so-called high pressure water system, the District's high pressure water system which operates at about 85 pounds per square inch pressure, which is ample to deliver the water up to higher elevations in the building in case of fire. The House wing is on a so-called low pressure system, where the pressure is only in the order of 40 or 45 pounds. That is not adequate to deliver the water up to the attic and higher elevations of the building. Consequently, the Fire Depart

ment has suggested, and we concur with their suggestion, that a tie connection be installed between the existing high pressure system that serves all of this area [indicating]. So that the whole Capitol Grounds will be served by a high pressure water system, rather than just this one small area, the House wing, being served by a low pressure system it is proposed to install this new underground connection [indicating]. It would be remiss not to follow their suggestion. In the event of a serious fire, the Fire Department might have trouble in getting water up to the higher elevations under present conditions.

Mr. LANGEN. What is the actual work involved in getting that pressure to where it belongs?

Mr. RUBEL. Essentially, it is the installation of a relatively short section of underground pipeline connecting to a high pressure line now available.

LANDSCAPING OVER NEW GARAGES

Mr. LANGEN. One further thing that I missed a moment or two ago. With regard to the plantings on top of the new garages, and so on, is that a part of the contract of that building?

Mr. STEWART. Yes, sir.

Mr. PINCUS. The seeding and the shrubbery and the trees around the perimeter.

Mr. LANGEN. Then what is left? And how do you accomplish that? Mr. PINCUS. Any additional plants and planting we have to do will come from our own nursery, and planted by our own forces. Mr. LANGEN. That is all.

Mr. ANDREWS. Mr. Reifel.

Mr. REIFEL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

TEMPORARY LABOR

Some time during the summer I noticed young men out here helping keep the campus, the Capitol Grounds, clean, picking up leaves, and Are these boys employed by some other agency, like OEO, in providing summer work?

so on.

Mr. STEWART. No. They are selected from applicants referred to us, in most cases, by Members who have interests in the betterment of boys. It helps some of these youngsters with funds to continue their education.

Mr. REIFEL. Where is that covered here in the budget request? Mr. ROOF. In the Capitol Grounds, under temporary labor.

Mr. REIFEL. I wondered whether that was some of the recent programs for assisting youth or whether it was coming out of 1egular appropriations.

Mr. RooF. Mr. Pincus has hired a number of boys trained in a local program relating to landscaping and beautification in this area. Mr. PINCUS. It is called the Neighborhood Training School, which is a program in the District which trains these boys who do not complete high school. It is a trade school. We have hired four of them, who are going to be very good men, and have already been put on the permanent roll.

Mr. REIFEL. Does that come out of your regular program money? Mr. PINCUS. Yes, sir.

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