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Mr. Welsh. Very slightly, sir. Let me cite two examples.

When we send a director and his family overseas we cannot pay per diem for that family en route, whereas under the Foreign Service regulations such per diem can be made. The per diem cost would be very slight. Mr. ROSSITER. A couple hundred dollars.

Mr. WELSH. Another benefit is increased home leave which would not result in any increased cost.

Mr. ANDREWS. What about the automobile cost?

Mr. WELSH. We would have to request funds. The cost would be about $2,000 a car. Is that right?

Mr. ROSSITER. Yes.

Mr. ANDREWS. There is no money in this budget for any of these projects?

Dr. MUMFORD. At the moment there is no money in this budget for that.

Mr. WELSH. Unless we can absorb it.

Mr. ANDREWS. What would it cost? How many do you propose to buy?

Dr. MUMFORD. Not more than one at a post.
Mr. ANDREWS. How many new posts!
Mr. WELSH. Five.
Mr. ANDREWS. At about $2,000 apiece?
Mr. WELSH. Yes.

Mr. ANDREWS. Do you have automobiles at the posts where you now operate?

Mr. WELSH. We do not have in Indonesia. I am not sure about the others.

Mr. ANDREWS. What about health benefits! Would only American employees be entitled to that!

Nr. MUMFORD. Yes; only American employees would be covered. Mr. ANDREWS. Do you have an estimate of what that would cost?

Dr. MUMFORD. No, sir. In brief, it means we are not treating our employees as well as employees of the State Department or Foreign Service.

Mr. ANDREWS. There are medical facilities there generally?
Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREW8. And all you are asking is that the employees and members of their families have the privilege of being treated at those facilities?

Dr. MUMFORD. And to reimburse the State Department for those services.

Mr. ANDREWS. Any questions about this language change?

Dr. MUMFORD. Mr. Chairman, the figures I read do not include the deduction for Burma.

Mr. ANDREWS. You can correct that.

I guess that concludes our hearings. Dr. Mumford and gentlemen

Mr. STEED. And the lady.
Mr. ANDREWS. And the lady. This was a fine hearing.

Dr. MUMFORD. We thank you, Mr. Chairman, and other members of the committee very much for being patient and understanding in listening to our presentation.

THURSDAY, MAY 12, 1966.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
WITNESSES

RALPH. R. ROBERTS, CLERK, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
H. NEWLIN MEGILL, CHIEF, FINANCE OFFICE
DON C. GIBSON, BUDGET ANALYST
BEN GUTHRIE, TECHNICAL ASSISTANT
ZEAKE W. JOHNSON, SERGEANT AT ARMS
ELWYN G. RIADEN, BANK MANAGER
WILLIAM M. MILLER, DOORKEEPER
H. H. MORRIS, POSTMASTER
JAMES M. POWELL, CHIEF, U.S. CAPITOL POLICE
JAMEs B. PERRY, DIRECTOR, Hous E RECoRDING, STUDIO

Mr. ANDREws. The committee will come to order.

We will take up this morning the appropriation for the House of Representatives for 1967. We have with us the Clerk, Mr. Roberts, and his staff.

Mr. Roberts, we will ask you to proceed with your statement and we will ask questions on an item before you pass to the next item. In that way the record will be in better order. Suppose you proceed, Mr. Roberts.

GENERAL STATEMENT OF THE CLERK OF THE House

Mr. RoBERTs. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, again I am honored and privileged to be able to appear before your committee to present th. budget for the House of Representatives for the fiscal year 1967.

DETAILED ANALYSIS OF ESTIMATE FOR 1967

For the information of the committee, I desire to insert in the record a tabulated statement in support of the estimates (both original and revised), as submitted through the Bureau of the Budget, for the operation of the House of Representatives, fiscal year 1967. This statement gives a complete picture covering all estimates by paragraphs as appearing in the committee print. Each member of the subcommittee has before him a copy of this statement, which breaks down and itemizes each position, or title thereof, by offices and departments, and reflects the number of employees involved; their basic and gross annual salaries, including increased or additional compensation as authorized by law. Mr. ANDREws. We shall insert this in the record. (The itemization follows:)

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Itemized estimates of appropriations, fiscal year 1967 SALARIES, MILEAGE FOR MEMBERS, AND EXPENSE ALLOWANCE OF THE

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LS $14, 148, 975.00
LS 200,000.00

14, 348,975.00 $14, 348, 975

$25, 382.00

8, 231.27 5, 963.82 83, 536.00

$25, 382.00

8, 231.27 11, 928.00 83, 536.00 129,077.27

$129, 100

28,500.00

2,000.00 77, 185.00

28,500.00

2,000.00 77, 185.00 107, 685.00

107,685

10,000 15, 540

5,077.00

10,000.00 10,000.00 15, 540.00 15, 540.00 26, 000.00 26, 000.00

11, 573.00

6,320.00 12. 865.00 14, 205.00 12, 018.00

4, 921.00 5, 071.00 10,568.00 6,683.00 5,673.00 13, 769, 00 13, 582,00 10,858.00

7, 460.00 P13, 769.00

9, 428.00
5 10.858.00

8, 288.00
77,252.00
18, 686.00
13,769.00
9, 946.00
8, 288.00
8, 288.00
5,854.00
18, 686.00
18, 686.00
18, 686.00
16, 224.00
16, 224.00
9, 428.00

Itemized estimates of appropriations, fiscal year 1967—Continued

Number Total of em- || Unit base | Unit gross Total gross estimates ployees Clerk's document room: 20–31 Clerk in charge------------- 1 $10,172.00 20–32 Assistant---- 1 6,035.00 20–33 File clerk- 1 5,433.00 20–24 File clerk 1. 5,232.00 Records and registration office: 1. 10,885.00 1 8, 232.00 1 8,232.00 1 6,786.00 1 9,905.00 1 7,667.00 1 7,460.00 20-42 Clerk-messenger 1. 4,766.00 Office of the Daily Digest 20–43 Editor------- 1 16,734.00 20-44 Assistant edi 1 16,734.00 20-45 Secretary------------------- 1. 6,501.00 House recording studio: 20-46 Director--- 1 16,484.00 20-47 Chief. --------------------- 1 10,568.00 20–48 Laboratory technician.------ 1 7,325.00 20–49 Laboratory technician.------ 1 7, 589.90 20-50 Film editor----------------- 1. 8,703.00 20–51 1 12,101.00 20–52 1 9,324.00 20-53 I 8,288.00 20–54 1 7,460.00 20-55 1 9,666.00 20-56 1 7,874.00 20-57 1 7,874.00 20-58 1 11,096.00 20–59 General clerk- 1 7,408.00 20–60 General clerk- 1. 7,045.00 20-61 General clerk--------------- 1 6,864.00 Finance office: 20–62 Administrativeadviser and 21,332.00 chief, finance office. 20–63 House disbursing clerk----- 24,056.00 20–64 Assistant disbursing cler 18, 686.00 20–65 Budget analyst 11,488.00 20–66 Messenger---------- 5,854.00 20-67. Appointment clerk--------- 12,246.00 20–68. Appointment clerk--------- 11,993.00 20–69 Appointment clerk--------- 9,051.00 20–70 Appointment clerk--------- 8,803.00 20–71 Assistant clerk------------- 9,051.00 20–72 General clerk--------------- 10, 134.00 20–73. Appointment clerk--------- 8,232.00 20-74 General clerk--------------- 7,494.00 20-75 Employee benefits officer--- 10,671.00 20–76 Health benefits clerk------- 11,488.00 20–77 Assistant health benefits clerk--------------------- 1 8,803.00 20–78. Accounting clerk----------- 1 11,488.00 20–79 General ledger clerk-------- 1. 12, 246.00 20–80 Finance clerk--------------- 1 10,385.00 20–81 Finance clerk--------------- 1 6,320.00 20–82 Voucher examiner------ 1 8,314.00 20–85 Voucher examiner---------- 1 8,314.00 20–83 Reviewer------------------ 1 6,320.00 20-84 Voucher examiner---------- l 10,885.00 20–86 Clerk-office machine operator------------------------ 1 8, 232.00 20-157 General clerk--- 1. 6,501.00 20–158 General clerk- 1 6,501.00 20–159 General clerk- 1 6,501.00 20–160 General clerk--------- 1 6,320.00 Office supply service: 20–87 Chief----------------------- ! -------------------------- 13,292.00 29-88 1 11,096.00 20–89 I 6,579.00 20–90 1 9,532.00 20–91 1 8,314.00 20–92 to 7,848.00 20–93 Voucher clerk__ 6,579.00 20–94 Chief--------- 5,491.00 20–95 Sales clerk___ 6,786.00 20–95 Sales clerk----------------- 4,766.00

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