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Dr. MUMFORD. Yes. Our recommending officers examine the bibliographies and other lists and recommend, but everything does not come to our attention and we do not get everything that is recommended, but we do have a limitation through the amount of funds as to what we could acquire.

Mr. LANGEN. That is all.

Mr. ANDREWS. Any further questions?

EXPENDITURES OF RESEARCH LIBRARIES FOR MATERIALS FROM POLAND AND

YUGOSLAVIA

Mr. STEED. Do you think you could provide for the record what the research libraries are paying out of their pocket to get materials from Poland and Yugoslavia?

Dr. MUMFORD. I think we could.

Mr. STEED. I think it would be helpful in showing what you are replacing by this program. I know they do not have the completeness you would have under your program but it is costing them some money to protect themselves currently.

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes.

Mr. STEED. So to whatever extent that would be offset it would seem to be in your favor in justifying this program.

Dr. MUMFORD. We will be glad to get that information. (The information follows:)

It is estimated that the American Research libraries tentatively selected for participation in the Public Law 480 Program for Poland and Yugoslavia are spending a total of $150,000 annually for the acquisition of current materials for these countries.

LANGUAGE CHANGES

Mr. ANDREWS. Doctor, you mentioned some language changes.
Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

As has been brought out in this discussion, under the special foreign currency program the Library has had overseas offices since 1961. We are now operating eight such offices. Title II-C of the Higher Education Act of 1965 authorizes the Library to obtain on a worldwide basis all library materials of value to scholarship and to provide as rapid as possible cataloging for these materials. In order to meet this requirement properly, additional overseas offices will have to be established. The two programs are related but differ in detail.

Heretofore we have paid Library of Congress Public Law 480 employees overseas those Americans that serve overseas-25 percent of their salaries in foreign currencies. In order to assure uniformity with other offices it now seems highly desirable to pay all overseas American employees, in dollars, the remaining 25 percent. If Congress approves our request for the inclusion of 5 new countries under the Public Law 480 program, the total dollar costs of this change for the 10 countries in which we would be operating would be about $40,000. If we can charge the Higher Education Act budget with its share of the combined administrative costs, we would not have to ask for additional funds for this change.

Mr. ANDREWS. But you would be spending appropriated money? Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. Let me ask you this: You told us this morning that the dollar cost of this program would be

Dr. MUMFORD. $230,000.

Mr. ANDREWS. Less Burma, $12,580, which would leave $217,620? Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. And that you expected an income from this program of some $35,000, which would make a net dollar cost to the Treasury of about $182,620?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. Would this amount you are talking about now be in addition to this?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWs. How much would it be?

Dr. MUMFORD. About $40,000.

Mr. ANDREWS. $40,000 from your HEW appropriations?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. So if that language were adopted, the total cost of appropriated money for this program

Dr. MUMFORD. And the higher education program too, the title II HEW program.

Mr. ANDREWS. Would be $222,620 ?

Dr. MUMFORD. No; I am sorry, the 10 countries is the Public Law 480 program.

Mr. ANDREWS. That would be $222,620, net?

Dr. MUMFORD. That is right.

Mr. ANDREWS. Proceed.

Dr. MUMFORD. In three other matters affecting overseas operations I would like to request language changes to expedite the new program. These are to provide health services abroad; for the leasing or purchasing, when necessary, of passenger motor vehicles; and for the provision of allowances and other benefits to Library employees stationed abroad commensurate with their responsibilities and to provide equity with other Federal employees in similar situations.

This language was not included in my original estimates because at the time they were compiled the second program was not imminent. I would suggest the insertion of the following language under "Administrative provisions:

Funds available to the Library of Congress may be expended to reimburse the Department of State for medical services rendered to employees of the Library of Congress stationed abroad; and for purchase or hire of passenger motor vehicles. Further, payments shall be authorized of allowances and other benefits to employees stationed abroad to the same extent as authorized from time to time for members of the Foreign Service of the United States of comparable grade, subject to such rules and regulations as may be issued by the Librarian of Congress.

If the above language is adopted, certain provisions under the appropriation "Collection and distribution of Library materials (special foreign currency program), Library of Congress," should be deleted, leaving the following language under that heading:

For necessary expenses for carrying out the provisions of Section 104(n) of the Agricultural Trade Development and Assistance Act of 1954, as amended (7 U.S.C. 1704 (n)), to remain available until expended, $2,566,620, of which $2,349,000 shall be available for payments in foreign currencies which the Treasury Department shall determine to be excess to the normal requirements of the United States.

Mr. ANDREWS. How much would those benefits increase your overseas operations?

Mr. WELSH. Very slightly, sir. Let me cite two examples.

When we send a director and his family overseas we cannot pay per diem for that family en route, whereas under the Foreign Service regulations such per diem can be made.

The per diem cost would be very slight.
Mr. ROSSITER. A couple hundred dollars.

Mr. WELSH. Another benefit is increased home leave which would not result in any increased cost.

Mr. ANDREWs. What about the automobile cost?

Mr. WELSH. We would have to request funds. The cost would be about $2,000 a car. Is that right?

Mr. ROSSITER. Yes.

Mr. ANDREWS. There is no money in this budget for any of these projects?

Dr. MUMFORD. At the moment there is no money in this budget for that.

Mr. WELSH. Unless we can absorb it.

Mr. ANDREWS. What would it cost? How many do you propose to buy?

Dr. MUMFORD. Not more than one at a post.

Mr. ANDREWS. How many new posts?

Mr. WELSH. Five.

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Mr. ANDREWS. Do you have automobiles at the posts where you now operate?

Mr. WELSH. We do not have in Indonesia. I am not sure about the others.

Mr. ANDREWS. What about health benefits? Would only American employees be entitled to that?

Mr. MUMFORD. Yes; only American employees would be covered. Mr. ANDREWS. Do you have an estimate of what that would cost? Dr. MUMFORD. No, sir. In brief, it means we are not treating our employees as well as employees of the State Department or Foreign Service.

Mr. ANDREWS. There are medical facilities there generally?
Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. And all you are asking is that the employees and members of their families have the privilege of being treated at those facilities?

Dr. MUMFORD. And to reimburse the State Department for those services.

Mr. ANDREWS. Any questions about this language change?

Dr. MUMFORD. Mr. Chairman, the figures I read do not include the deduction for Burma.

Mr. ANDREWs. You can correct that.

I guess that concludes our hearings. Dr. Mumford and gentle

men

Mr. STEED. And the lady.

Mr. ANDREWS. And the lady. This was a fine hearing.

Dr. MUMFORD. We thank you, Mr. Chairman, and other members of the committee very much for being patient and understanding in listening to our presentation.

THURSDAY, MAY 12, 1966.

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

WITNESSES

RALPH R. ROBERTS, CLERK, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
H. NEWLIN MEGILL, CHIEF, FINANCE OFFICE

DON C. GIBSON, BUDGET ANALYST

BEN GUTHRIE, TECHNICAL ASSISTANT

ZEAKE W. JOHNSON, SERGEANT AT ARMS

ELWYN G. RIADEN, BANK MANAGER

WILLIAM M. MILLER, DOORKEEPER

H. H. MORRIS, POSTMASTER

JAMES M. POWELL, CHIEF, U.S. CAPITOL POLICE

JAMES B. PERRY, DIRECTOR, HOUSE RECORDING STUDIO

Mr. ANDREWs. The committee will come to order.

We will take up this morning the appropriation for the House of Representatives for 1967. We have with us the Clerk, Mr. Roberts, and his staff.

Mr. Roberts, we will ask you to proceed with your statement and we will ask questions on an item before you pass to the next item. In that way the record will be in better order. Suppose you proceed, Mr. Roberts.

GENERAL STATEMENT OF THE CLERK OF THE HOUSE

Mr. ROBERTS. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, again I am honored and privileged to be able to appear before your committee to present the budget for the House of Representatives for the fiscal year 1967.

DETAILED ANALYSIS OF ESTIMATE FOR 1967

For the information of the committee, I desire to insert in the record a tabulated statement in support of the estimates (both original and revised), as submitted through the Bureau of the Budget, for the operation of the House of Representatives, fiscal year 1967. This statement gives a complete picture covering all estimates by paragraphs as appearing in the committee print.

Each member of the subcommittee has before him a copy of this statement, which breaks down and itemizes each position, or title thereof, by offices and departments, and reflects the number of employees involved; their basic and gross annual salaries, including increased or additional compensation as authorized by law. Mr. ANDREWs. We shall insert this in the record.

(The itemization follows:)

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Itemized estimates of appropriations, fiscal year 1967

SALARIES, MILEAGE FOR MEMBERS, AND EXPENSE ALLOWANCE OF THE

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