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Mr. ANDREWS. Dr. Mumford, the committee will get into the details of the requests that you have highlighted, but we might take a few minutes to orient ourselves to the general situation.

SPACE PROBLEMS

We assume the Library is becoming more crowded every day as materials continue to come in, is that correct?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. We also assume you are becoming more cramped for space as you have grown with funds given you by Congress in the last several years, is that correct?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes it is.

Mr. ANDREWS. And this budget, as you say, calls for more, yet you are several years away from your new building at best? Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

FUNDS UNDER HIGHER EDUCATION ACT

Mr. ANDREWS. As we understand it, the new Higher Education Act passed last year and for which supplemental fnuds are in the pending supplemental bill for 1966 authorizes a rather substantial boost in the program of the Library of Congress, and the Labor-HEW bill adopted in the House last week, under that bill I believe you are scheduled to get $3,000,000 for 1967 in addition to $300,000 in the pending supplemental for 1966 ?

Dr. MUMFORD. That is correct.

Mr. ANDREWS. These are large amounts in relation to your regular budget in the bill before us today. I wish you would take a few minutes and briefly relate the two and explain the much enlarged operation and its objectives.

TOTAL FUNDS AVAILABLE

But before you start, let me ask you this: Will that $3,000,000 that you are scheduled to get under the bill the House passed last week for 1967 be in addition to the $31,146,000 total that you are requesting from this committee?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. That would give you, then, if this committee were to approve your request, approximately $34.1 million for the operation of the Library?

Dr. MUMFORD. Something like that. It would be the $31,146,000 plus the $3 million.

Mr. ANDREWs. That would be $34,146,000.

What other money would you have coming into your funds by way of reimbursements, et cetera?

Mr. MUMFORD. We have money that is transferred from other agencies to perform work for them because we have the necessary collections and the Library is the only agency that can do the work required. The total income, from all sources, is included in the appendix to our justification book, including gifts and trust funds as well as transfers from other agencies.

Mr. ANDREWS. What page is that?

Mr. ROSSITER. A-2.

Mr. ANDREWS. We will insert this page A-2 in the record at this point.

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1 Includes $477,700 supplemental request for pay increase (H. Doc. 405).

* Includes $880,000 budget amendment (H. Doc. 431).

Mr. ANDREWS. This shows for 1967 your total funds available from all sources will be $41,982,360.

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. Does that include the $3 million that we mentioned as being in the Labor-HEW bill?

Dr. MUMFORD. No, sir; it does not. We do not have that money as yet and it is not appropriated directly to us.

Mr. ANDREWS. But if you get it, that would be a total of $44,982,360? Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. Is that all?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWs. This chart shows that for 1966 your total funds available from all sources are $36,792,828. This is May of fiscal year 1966. How firm is that figure?

Mr. ROSSITER. It is very firm, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. ANDREWS. You do not anticipate any further income or funds available?

Mr. ROSSITER. No, sir. The only thing would be the $300,000 in the pending supplemental.

Mr. ANDREWS. If that is approved, then your total funds available for 1966 would be $37,092,828?

Mr. ROSSITER. That is right, sir.

Mr. ANDREWs. And the total funds available in 1965 from all sources as shown on this chart were $35,965,207. Was that a correct figure? Mr. ROSSITER. Yes, sir.

REQUEST FOR NEW POSITIONS

Mr. ANDREWS. Doctor, I believe you stated you are asking for 58 new positions?

Dr. MUMFORD. Under the appropriations title, "Library of Congress, salaries and expenses."

Mr. ANDREWS. How are these 58 employees designated?

Dr. MUMFORD. Some of them are in the Processing Department, which is concerned with the acquisition and organizing of material,

with cataloging and classifying; some are in the Reference Department; some are in the Law Library; and some are in the Administrative Department.

Mr. ANDREWS. Are these 58 new positions in addition to the 46 for the Legislative Reference Service?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. And the 39 for the distribution of catalog cards and the 7 for the books for the blind program?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir. On table III it shows the additional number of positions under the different appropriations: Under "Library of Congress, salaries and expenses," 58; under the "Copyright Office, 25; under the "Legislative Reference Service," 46; under the "Distribution of catalog cards," 39; under "Books for the blind," 7, making a total of 175.

Mr. ANDREWS. So your total request for new positions is 175?

Dr. MUMFORD. 175, plus the native personnel employed abroad with foreign currency under the Public Law 480 program.

Mr. ANDREWS. How many would that be?

Mr. ROSSITER. That is 60, sir, of which 5 are U.S. personnel, and 55 native.

Mr. ANDREWS. Sixty new positions?

Mr. ROSSITER. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. How many people do you have on that program at this time?

Mr. WELSH. 124, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. That would give you a total of 184 overseas?

Mr. WELSH. There are 124, of which 121 are overseas, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. And you want 60 additional?

Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWs. That would be 184?

Mr. WELSH. Yes, sir.

Dr. MUMFORD. These are paid for from the excess foreign currency plus some hard dollars from American personnel.

Mr. ANDREWS. You want 175 new positions for the Library overall? Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. What is your total employment at this time?

Dr. MUMFORD. Approximately 3,500, including employees supported by funds transferred from other agencies and gift and trust funds. Mr. ANDREWS. Your total employment at this time is approximately 3,500?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. And you want 175 new employees for a total employment of 3,675?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

ADDITIONAL FUNDS UNDER HIGHER EDUCATION ACT

Mr. ANDREWS. Was this budget now before us made up with full regard to what you might get under the Higher Education Act, the $3 million we spoke of?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir; we took it into account, but the needs presented in the Library's requests for fiscal 1967 are in addition to any that might be met by funds that might be received through the Higher Education Act.

I would also like to point out that the program under the Higher Education Act, while it will help the Library in getting our cataloging done promptly and will help fill the gaps in the acquisition of materials, is designed to avoid the duplication going on between institutions in the library and research world at this time. Because of the shortage of trained catalogers, it is impossible for the institutions to get sufficient personnel to do the cataloging. To do it at one time and in one place is a big service to the research libraries, and it complements the provisions of the Higher Education Act, which allow for the purchase of materials by the academic libraries. It would avail the libraries very little to enable them to purchase additional materials if they cannot get them cataloged. So this program is in the national interest and, while it does benefit the Library of Congress, it goes far beyond that.

Mr. ANDREWS. These 39 additional employees you are requesting under the distribution of catalog cards program, did you predicate that request on the assumption you would get the $3 million under the HEW bill?

Dr. MUMFORD. No. This requested increase was to take care of other anticipated increases.

Mr. ANDREWS. And you have told us you anticipate quite an increase in the card-distribution activity, 115 percent, I believe?

Dr. MUMFORD. The libraries buy the cards, as you know, and in recent years this activity has been returning approximately 115 percent of the appropriation and we would expect it to continue to do so.

INCOME TO LIBRARY OF CONGRESS

Mr. ANDREWS. On what page of your justifications do you show the income to the Library of Congress from copyrights and card services? Mr. ROSSITER. The income from the Copyright Office is on page 97. Mr. ANDREWs. I would like the record to show the income the Library receives as funds that go into the Treasury.

Dr. MUMFORD. For the Copyright Office, page 97 has a table which shows the income received from fees and the value of materials transferred to the Library which come by way of copyrights.

Mr. ROSSITER. Page 137 shows the income from catalog card sales. Mr. ANDREWS. We will insert those two pages at this point in the record.

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Salaries and expenses, Copyright Office

Income: Fees applied. - -

Fiscal 1965 $1, 208, 014

Estimated value of materials transferred to the Library of Congress:

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1 This includes pending supplemental request for pay raise of $61,100.

NOTE. These cards are sold annually to over 17,000 subscribers throughout the 50 States and several foreign countries.

INCOME FROM COPYRIGHT OFFICE

Mr. ANDREWS. What is the total of income from the Copyright Office?

Dr. MUMFORD. $2,342,896 in fiscal year 1965.

Mr. ANDREWS. That is made up of fees and materials received under

the copyright law?

Dr. MUMFORD. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWs. How much actual cash, $1,208,014?

Mr. ROSSITER. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. That is the cash income from the Copyright Office?

Mr. ROSSITER. Yes, sir.

Mr. ANDREWS. And that was for 1965 ?

Mr. ROSSITER. Right, sir.

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