Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir; I did. Mr. BROOKS. Did you attempt to show these pictures to responsible officials? Mr. MILLER. Government or company or otherwise? SHOWED SLIDES TO TWA BOARD CHAIRMAN Mr. MILLER. Sir, I felt my primary obligation was to my employer, my first obligation was to my employer, and on January 11, 1959, I, with two other flight engineers, the three of us, met Mr. Warren Lee Pearson, who was then chairman of the board of directors of TWA, and we presented the slides, which is all we had at that time. There had been no photographs or prints made of the negatives, you understand. And we presented it to Mr. Pearson for his information only, and to make him aware of the problems involved in air safety. Mr. BROOKS. When was this? Mr. MILLER. January 11, 1959. Mr. BROOKS. 1959? Mr. MILLER. Yes, sir. Mr. BROOKS. Did you show them—was anything done about this, to your knowledge? Mr. MILLER. No, not to my knowledge. Mr. BROOKS. Did he look at them? Mr. MILLER. Yes, he did. Mr. BROOKS. Then what happened? Mr. MILLER. He was very impressed and he Mr. BROOKS. Kept them, gave them back to you-what did he do with them? Mr. MILLER. No, he did not even ask for them. He asked us to be very discreet when we left. We told him we were just presenting it for his information, and that when we departed, we asked him to consider the problem, and we would like to know what could be done about it. Mr. BROOKS. And did you hear any more from him? Mr. MILLER. No. Six weeks later I contacted him again in New York at his office, and again I took another flight engineer with me, this time the two of us, and requested an appointment with Mr. Pearson, which he granted with us, and we asked him if he had time to think about the problem, what was his Mr. BROOKS. His reaction? Mr. MILLER. Yes. What was his reaction and what did he feel was the best approach to this problem. And he said that, well, he was outside of TWA management and that his primary duties were to look after Mr. Hughes' financial interests, and he suggested they were operational problems; that I take the problem of TWA management, operational executives at TWA. And then I asked him if, in view of the fact that all or most all of the TWA executives, vice president, and so on down, are pilots on inactive membership status in the Pilots Union and that they have a seniority number and are on an inactive status as members of the Pilots Union and that to go to one of these gentlemen, I was sure I would suffer, and all the engineers would suffer recriminations. Mr. BROOKS. Did you show them to anyone else, then, after that, in the company? Mr. MILLER. In the company? Mr. BROOKS. Yes, sir. Mr. MILLER. No, sir. The pictures were not shown again. However, on-I believe it was about 6 months later, I approached this time on my own as an individual-I approached the senior vice president of engineering-the name escapes me right now Mr. BROOKS. Counsel, you can get a copy of this after it is over with. It will be a lot simpler, because this reporter is really pretty good. Mr. LAWRENCE. How soon, sir? Mr. BROOKS. Tomorrow morning. Mr. LAWRENCE. Thank you, sir. Mr. MILLER. I am embarrassed. I cannot think of the gentleman's name. Mr. BROOKS. Six months after January of 1959? Mr. MILLER. That is right. Mr. BROOKS. You consulted with someone else in TWA? Mr. MILLER. Yes. Mr. BROOKS. What was his position? Mr. MILLER. Senior vice president of engineering, and Mr. BROOKS. In about June of 1959 ? Mr. MILLER. Yes. I believe it was May or June. Mr. BROOKS. May or June. Mr. MILLER. Pretty close to that date, I am not sure, sir. Mr. BROOKS. And what did he say? Mr. MILLER. I told him that there were air safety problems in the cockpit, and asked him if he thought that Mr. Hughes would—well, he told me directly that he was an agent of the Hughes Tool Co., and he had Mr. Hughes' best interests at heart, and he was very interested in all details and all phases of TWA's operations, naturally. Mr. BROOKS. Yes? Mr. MILLER. And so I suggested that he contact Mr. Hughes or see if he could be made aware of this condition. Mr. BROOKS. Did you show this man the pictures? Mr. MILLER. No, he did not ask to see them. Mr. BROOKS. You just told him about them? Mr. MILLER. He told me he would consider the suggestion I had made and let me know at a later date. Mr. BROOKS. Did he? Mr. MILLER. About a week later, I believe, I called him again, and he said under the circumstances he did not think that he could go to Mr. Hughes with them, with this information. Mr. BROOKS. Did you show them to anybody else or discuss it with anybody else in the management of TWA? Mr. MILLER. No. Those three contacts. SHOWED PHOTOS TO ACCIDENT INVESTIGATOR Mr. BROOKS. Did you report it to anybody connected with the CAA at that time, with the Aeronautical Administration? Mr. MILLER. Yes. Mr. Phil Goldstein, I believe he was with Mr. BROOKS. What was his capacity? Mr. MILLER. I believe he was Western Region Accident Investigation. Mr. BROOKS. For the CAA? Mr. MILLER. Yes. Now, this Mr. BROOKS. When was this, approximately? Mr. MILLER. This was after Mr. Pearson and the other contact with my company. Mr. BROOKS. Was it in 1959, after the summer? Mr. MILLER. From memory, I am not quite sure exactly. I believe I have a note on it somewhere. Mr. BROOKS. You showed them to him? Mr. MILLER. Yes, I showed him photographs. First I asked him about-I believe it was FAA at that time, yes, it was after October 1958, it was FAA, and he was part of FAA. Mr. NEDZI. Mr. Chairman, when was this? Mr. BROOKS. He thinks it was sometime after June of 1959, probably in the summer. He is trying to recollect the specific date. Mr. MILLER. I am not quite sure, but I believe I can get the exact date or the exact information, sir. Mr. Goldstein was then, I believe, in Englewood, Calif., at that time, and I had known Mr. Goldstein for several years, not as a close friend, but I knew who he was, and I knew him before he came with the FAA or CAA. Mr. BROOKS. He took a look at the pictures? Mr. MILLER. Yes. Mr. BROOKS. What did he say or do? Mr. MILLER. I asked him about procedure and investigations and this and that, and if he thought any violations were involved, and he looked at them, and he was very impressed. At that time I did not have, of course, nearly the photographs that I have now, and I told him that I was conducting this air safety survey. Mr. BROOKS. Did you hear from him any further after this? Mr. MILLER. No, I did not. Mr. BROOKS. Did you try and contact him again? Mr. MILLER. Yes. I contacted him again, but I would like to say how we parted that day. Mr. BROOKS. All right. GOVERNMENT INSPECTOR "WAS IMPRESSED" Mr. MILLER. He was impressed, and he told me that sometime in the past that someone, some pilot executive, I think, on United, had suggested a camera be mounted in the cockpit to record automatically situations of this nature. So he said, "Yes, I am impressed." And he said, "You get more extensive evidence. If you do, certainly we will be glad to take you to anyone in the FAA that you think should see this." I told him I was afraid that this information might fall in the wrong hands or be used in the wrong way; that it would be detrimental to the best interests of everyone concerned. And so that was the sum and substance of our first meeting. Mr. BROOKS. I would like to just say this about these pictures. Would you take a look at these three pictures here and identify roughly when they were taken? Just turn that chair around. Mr. LAWRENCE. May I, sir? Mr. BROOKS. I do not think it is necessary. He speaks pretty well. Now, this picture looks to me like it is a fairly attractive blond, I would say, sitting in the lap of what might be a co-pilot or a pilot in a cockpit. How would you identify this as being in a plane? This is No. 136, I see on the back. What is 136? Mr. MILLER. Well Mr. LAWRENCE. I cannot hear the witness. Mr. BROOKS. Tell him to speak up. It is your client. Mr. MILLER. In reference to the first question-you asked another question? Mr. BROOKS. Of what is it a picture? REPRESENTATIVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THOSE TAKEN BY WILLIAM J. MILLER, FLIGHT ENGINEER, TRANS WORLD AIRLINES, DURING REGULAR SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS |