quarters, where you are using so many old barracks and dormitories, it has lowered morale. It seems to me you have been slow to get around to this part of it.

General CURTIN. We have, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Whereas you took these houses from the beginning to the end

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General CURTIN. We have, sir, because over the past 15 years we have been able to devote only something between 5 and 10 percent of our program, of our construction program, to this sort of work. Senator STENNIS. All right, very good. Proceed.

Colonel FENLON. The next project, sir, for a 200-airman dormitory replaces open bay wood frame buildings constructed in 1941 which cannot provide minimum acceptable living conditions. The last project is for a 40-man officers quarters to replace inadequate and unsuitably located facilities.

Senator STENNIS. That is a BOQ.

Colonel FENLON. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. All right.

General CURTIN. May I correct the figure I gave you, Mr. Chairman,

on the dormitories?

Senator STENNIS. Certainly.

General CURTIN. The dormitory figure of additional dormitories required would be $165 million in subsequent years, and $30 million to $35 million for upgrading facilities that we have.

Senator STENNIS. As I understand you, you spend $418,000 on your 200-man unit. It takes $330,000 to take care of just 40 men in the BOQ.

General CURTIN. The average price of the airmen dormitory-because of the configuration and the space allocated-is running about $1,850 per man, and on the officers quarters where the individual latrines, individual rooms, and so on that are associated with that construction, it costs us about $7,000 a man.

Senator STENNIS. You certainly need them, but it seems that is a rather high cost. They are not each individual houses. How many are there in a unit together, how many of those rooms?

General CURTIN. We have three types of officers quarters. We do build what we call the residential type-we have a small number. These are generally four-bedroom, four-bath units very similar to a family house.

We also have a motel type which is a two-story residential type that takes 40 to 48 officers, and then, of course, we can go high rise much like an apartment for a larger number of officers.

Senator STENNIS. How is that motel type serving? Is it an improvement over the four-unit?

General CURTIN. Again it depends on the location. Actually if we have land, we would much prefer to build the family housing type of unit because the people seem to like them more.

Senator STENNIS. I see.

General CURTIN. But if land is a requirement, then the motel or the high rise become cheaper.

Senator STENNIS. All right; there are no more questions on that. Next item, page 14.

KINCHELOE AIR FORCE BASE, MICH.

Colonel FENLON. Page 14, sir; the next base is Kincheloe Air Force Base located 19 miles south-southwest of Sault Sainte Marie, Mich. This base supports an Air Defense Command fighter-interceptor mission, an Air Defense missile unit, and a Strategic Air Command heavy bomber and tanker mission. The program requests amount to $189,000. The first project extends the existing blast deflectors 871 linear feet in support of the Strategic Air Command. These blast deflectors are required to protect the aircraft taxiing adjacent to the Strategic Air Command ramp.

The next project provides a 2,500-square-foot building for spare weapons storage in support of the Strategic Air Command mission. There is no existing facility to accommodate this requirement.

The last project provides a 3,500-square-foot library to replace an inadequate building presently in use and allow the present facility to revert to its primary function as a dining hall.

Senator STENNIS. What is the mission of this base?

Colonel FENLON. Sir, the base supports a fighter-interceptor squadron, a missile unit, a Strategic Air Command heavy bomber squadron, and a tanker mission.

Senator STENNIS. Does that library serve all of those?

Colonel FENLON. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Does it serve the entire base?

Colonel FENLON. Yes, sir; that is correct; it would serve the entire population.

Senator STENNIS. All right; next item.

KINGSLEY FIELD, OREG.

Colonel FENLON. The next item is on page 18, Kingsley Field, Oreg.; it is located 5 miles southeast of Calumet Falls, Oreg. The use of this base is for an Air Defense Command fighter-interceptor mission. The program requested amounts to $258,000. The first project provides 8,200 square yards of warmup holding pad to allow fighter aircraft unrestricted access to the end of the primary instrument runway. The next and last project provides 4,910 square feet of groundpowered equipment shop. Limited existing facilities do not provide proper storage or maintenance capability for complicated and sensitive equipment.

Senator CANNON. Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Cannon.

Senator CANNON. What is the policy, General, with respect to the joint use of civilian installations? This field is a civilian airport, and it was my understanding with the excess of bases that you had, that you were trying to consolidate your military activities separate and apart from civilian type of activities.

General CURTIN. This has certainly been a consideration to my knowledge. I would like to ask Colonel Luschen if he would speak to that more specifically since he is in the Bases and Units Division of Programing.

Colonel LUSCHEN. Your statement is entirely true, sir; and it would be desirable in certain cases. However, Kingsley Field is required

on a long-term basis for the deployment of fighter-interceptor units. If we did not have this field centered in Oregon there, we would be roughly from McChord Field in Tacoma, Wash., all the way down to Hamilton Field in the San Francisco area without a squadron. This is a geographical deployment around the perimeter of the United States that we need our fighter-interceptors. Therefore, we need to keep it there for the operational advantages of the base.

Senator CANNON. You are using 101 equipment there, and I thought the program now was to start turning 101's over to the National Guard.

Colonel LUSCHEN. Some 101's will go to the National Guard out in a later time period. There will also be a unit here at Kingsley Field. There will be no change.

Senator CANNON. You have no plans to make any change in the foreseeable future at this base.

Colonel LUSCHEN. That is correct, sir.

Senator CANNON. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

(Discussion off the record.)

Senator STENNIS. I am going to ask Senator Cannon to preside this afternoon. I think if you see fit, you might run to about 12:30 and reconvene at 2:30. The witnesses are accustomed to that pattern, and I think the senators are, too. We will resume hearings in the morning at 10 o'clock. Can you gentlemen be available tomorrow? General CURTIN. We certainly will, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. Bring your charts on your repetitive items.
General CURTIN. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. We are especially glad to have you gentlemen in attendance here this morning. We will continue until we finish with the Air Force. Then we will take up one of the other services, and then we will come to the Department of Defense.

Senator Cannon, will you preside?

Senator CANNON (now presiding). Yes, sir.

You may proceed, General.

General CURTIN. Thank you.

MCCHORD AIR FORCE BASE, WASH.

Colonel FENLON. Next is page 21, McChord Air Force Base located 1 mile south of Tacoma, Wash. The use of this base is for the Air Defense Command fighter-interceptor mission and Air Defense Sector Headquarters and air transport mission for Military Air Transport Service and a troop carrier mission for the Air Force Reserve. The total program requested is $3,347,000, of which $1,309,000 is for facilities to support the basic Air Defense Command mission and $2,038,000 for facilities to support the Military Air Transport Service.

The first project provides 66,800 square yards of shoulder stabilization to prevent gravel and other objects from being blown on to the taxiway and digested by the jet engine.

The next four projects are in support of the Military Air Transport Service's newly assigned aircraft. These facilities are the minimum required to properly maintain these aircraft, and no facilities exist that can perform these functions.

The second project provides 38,190 square feet of covered aircraft erosion control building. The second is for an aircraft fuel cell maintenance facility. Third is a jet engine test cell, and the fourth project provides 16,000 square feet of space for a communications and electronics shop.

They are all programed for the C-141.

The next project provides a 9,380-square-foot dental clinic to replace an inadequate remodeled barracks now used for a dental clinic. The next project if for alteration of 45 WAF quarters to provide adequate and comfortable housing for WAF personnel. The next project provides 60 officers quarters to relieve the serious deficiency in housing and provide an adequate permanent housing for officer personnel.

The last project will provide 5,000 square feet of religious, educational, and multipurpose building to augment present inadequate and an overcrowded chapel annex.

Senator CANNON. You indicate there is a need because of a deficiency. Yet your programing here shows that your strength at McChord will be reduced by about 1,000 people in your ultimate plan. Have you taken that into consideration when you indicate that you have a deficiency now existing?

General CURTIN. Yes, sir; the actual construction program in the book has been programed against the second line of the data. In other words, we program against the end position line of 6,600 in this case, Senator Cannon.

Senator CANNON. You do not show what the date is for this planned reduction. What is the date there for the same strength of 6,628? General CURTIN. Just a minute, Senator, we can give you that.

Colonel LUSCHEN. Sir, I will have to look that up in some of my references here. I do not have it immediately available. I will provide it for the record.

(The information referred to follows:)

Realinements in the Air Defense System will cause a decrease in personnel at various ADC installations, including McChord, between now and fiscal year 1970.

Senator CANNON. Has this proposed construction at McChord anything to do with the proposed move of the Reserve squadrons from Paine to McChord?

Colonel LUSCHEN. No, these items do not. There will be some construction associated with the move of Reserve units from Paine Field to McChord, but this will be accomplished out of fiscal year 1965 construction moneys in the Reserve program.

Senator CANNON. Has there been a firm decision made to move those Reserve squadrons from Paine to McChord?

Colonel LUSCHEN. Yes, sir; there has been. That is to take place late this year, this calendar year.

Senator CANNON. What is the reason for that?

Colonel LUSCHEN. It was consolidation of the activity. The C-124's that the Reserve unit at Paine Field is being equipped with McChord Field is presently supporting C-124 aircraft and the MATS units. MATS is gaining command of the Reserve unit in a wartime situation. The Reserve unit works with MATS. We could accomplish and support the conversion of the Reserve unit at McChord Field for some

thing over $1 million less than we could support the conversion of the unit if it remained in place at Paine Field.

Senator CANNON. All right, General, you may proceed.

OTIS AIR FORCE BASE, MASS.

General CURTIN. The next base is Otis, Mr. Chairman, on page 31. Colonel FENLON. Otis Air Force Base, which is located about 53 miles southeast of Boston, Mass. This base is used for an Air Defense Command fighter-interceptor squadron, an air defense missile squadron, BOMARC, and an Air Defense Command airborne early warning and control mission. The total program requested is for $950,000.

The first project will provide an automotive maintenance facility consisting of 27,000 square feet of shop and 25,400 square yards of vehicle parking. Present facilities are of World War II wood construction, and have deteriorated so that they are structurally unsound and uneconomical to maintain and repair.

The last project will control polluted water and prevent contamination of privately owned property in the vicinity of Otis.

Senator CANNON. I note that this is the second base that we have talked about where you have a BOMARC squadron. What is the present plan on the BOMARC? How long do you intend to keep those squadrons active?

Colonel LUSCHEN. Colonel Luschen again, sir. We are speaking to the BOMARC B units. The BOMARC A units were phased out in 1964. These BOMARC B units will remain in the inventory for the entire program period. Here we are speaking through 1970, in our current plans.

Senator CANNON. Does any of the improvement here relate to the use of the National Guard for the summer programs up at Otis? Colonel FENLON. No, sir, it does not.

Senator CANNON. You may proceed, General.

RICHARDS-GEBAUR AIR FORCE BASE, MO.

Colonel FENLON. The next is page 34, Richards-Gebaur Air Base located 16 miles south of Kansas City, Mo. This base is used for an Air Defense Command fighter-interceptor squadron, an Air Defense Command support mission, a Reserve troop carrier mission, Military Air Transport Service rescue mission, SAGE combat center, and an air division headquarters.

The program request amounts to $104,000. The requested project provides 1,920 square feet of refueling vehicle shop to provide a safe, adequate facility for maintenance and repair of refueling vehicles. No facility exists that could be utilized for this type of hazardous work.

Senator CANNON. All right.

SELFRIDGE AIR FORCE BASE, MICH.

Colonel FENLON. Next is page 36, the base is Selfridge Air Force Base located 15 miles northeast of Detroit, Mich. This base is used for an Air Defense Command fighter-interceptor squadron, Reserve troop