Senator STENNIS. All right, you want to develop that any more? Colonel FENLON. Sir, we could address any one of them as we go through the program.

Senator STENNIS. Just pick out one of the large ones or two or three of the large ones. There is $1.2 million for one at Chanute, 600 men. That is a new one, isn't it?

Colonel FENLON. Yes, sir. These are new.

Senator STENNIS. Why do you have this need? Is there a new mission going in there?

Major STURGEON. Yes, sir. There are new missions going into Chanute, and this would also take care of replacing some of the World War II dormitories that are beyond repair. Predominantly this is based on new missions.

Senator STENNIS. What new missions?

Major STURGEON. These are training missions coming to Chanute. Senator STENNIS. From where?

Major STURGEON. From Amarillo, I believe.

Senator STENNIS. You are phasing out Amarillo?

Major STURGEON. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. All right. The next large one is Barksdale. Just briefly, is that a new mission, and where is it coming from?

Major STURGEON. Yes, sir; this is a result of the B-52 additional squadron and KS-135's going into Barksdale.

Senator STENNIS. From Eglin?

Major STURGEON. With the closure of Dow.

Senator STENNIS. You are bringing them into Barksdale from both Dow and Eglin?

Major STURGEON. That is correct, sir.

Colonel FENLON. But only one of them is actually an increase. There is a squadron from Barksdale that moves out to Carswell.

Senator STENNIS. I favor this general idea of having adequate quarters for your men, but where you have a building that could be reconditioned-you had some presented yesterday-it seems to me, you certainly ought to do it.

Colonel FENLON. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. There is no other space at Barksdale that you could use?

General CURTIN. No, sir.

Senator STENNIS. It will require a new building.

General CURTIN. That is correct, sir.

Senator STENNIS. The next item is at Grand Forks, I know that is one of your bases up on the border.

Major STURGEON. Yes, sir; at Grand Forks we require additional dormitory space there to take care of the personnel that would be associated with the MINUTEMAN.

Senator STENNIS. All right, a new installation. Ankara.

Senator ELLENDER. I notice that too, Mr. Chairman. I notice here at Ankara for 76 men, is that correct, in the last column? What is that?

Colonel FENLON. 432, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Give us something on these foreign projects, outside the United States.

Major STURGEON. Sir, at Ankara this is to construct two dormitories at the Ankara Air Station. At the present time the personnel are being billeted in leased facilities in downtown Ankara.

Senator STENNIS. That is in Turkey.

Major STURGEON. Yes, sir.

General CURTIN. The capital.

Major STURGEON. This will enable us to get the personnel out to the air station where the facilities are being constructed, where they will work, and also the recreational facilities are located there.

Senator ELLENDER. What is the situation in Turkey now? Is it pretty steady there?

General CURTIN. Yes, sir; in this particular case at Ankara, the Turkish Government has provided us an area of land on the periphery of the city to develop as replacement facilities for the leased facilities that we now have in the city, a considerable number of which they want returned to their normal use.

Senator ELLENDER. Who constructed these leased facilities? Did we?

General CURTIN. No, sir. They were originally either municipal facilities or privately owned.

Senator ELLENDER. Didn't we loan money there? I have a distinct recollection that we used counterpart funds of some kind to build some of these facilities which afterward were leased.

General CURTIN. A lot of facilities-I can't speak to that specifically. I do know that a lot of the facilities that we occupy certainly were built prior to any of our assistance over there.

Senator ELLENDER. And they were built from private funds?

General CURTIN. Either private or municipal funds; yes, sir. They are very old.

Senator ELLENDER. Wasn't there some kind of a contract made prior to the building whereby we agreed to stay there long enough to pay out?

General CURTIN. I am not aware of it.

Senator ELLENDER. I wish you would look into that. I haven't been in Turkey for about 7 or 8 years, but I have a recollection that there were some contracts entered into which provide a guarantee of a certain length of time of occupancy by our people.

General CURTIN. I know that in most of our leases out there they are on a year-to-year basis, and I can't speak though to any guarantee. I can research that.

Senator ELLENDER. Will this be much cheaper than what you are now paying?

General CURTIN. It will be cheaper and it will be more effective really, because we will have these people out at the work site as opposed to dispersed in individual buildings throughout the city as we

are now.

Senator ELLENDER. To what extent does the cost that you are now paying exceed the allowances made to those who occupy these buildings?

it.

General CURTIN. I can't answer that specifically, but I can furnish

Senator ELLENDER. I wish you would look into that.

General CURTIN. Yes, sir.

Senator ELLENDER. And find out how much it will cost for these new facilities, and what part of the allowances furnished will be utilized toward that end.

General CURTIN. I can furnish that for the record, sir. (The information referred to follows:)

Aside from the 128 acres furnished without cost to the United States by Turkey, the agreement between the United States and Turkey requires that the United States pay for acquiring any improvements on this land. Turkey does permit direct leasing of privately owned property by the United States. In major Turkish cities (Ankara, Izmir, and Istanbul) the only feasible method of acquiring facilities is through leasing.

This project will provide the new facilities and facilities to replace leased buildings. It will consolidate USAF activities on land furnished by the Turkish Government for development of Ankara Air Station. Adequate support of varied military and civilian activities in Ankara is seriously hampered by poorly constructed, scattered facilities. The use of the dispersed leased facilities adds substantially to the cost of operation, detracts from efficiency and lowers the morale of assigned personnel. Considerable savings in funds and intangible benefits can be realized from the movement of all activities to the Ankara Air Station. The dollar savings from cancellation of the present facility leases will be approximately $550,000 per annum. Other monetary savings

(estimate $250,000) are possible by a reduction of operating expenses, utility costs, and transportation requirements. This project will provide adequate on-base facilities, afford an annual savings of approximately $800,000 and provide a functional efficient operation for "Ankara support activities." This development of Ankara Air Station is in accordance with the desires of the Government of Turkey.

There are no rental guarantee provisions in the Ankara leases. This same situation exists as to guarantees in leases at Aviano, Italy and Iraklion, Crete. Senator STENNIS. All right.

Senator CANNON. Mr. Chairman, if I may further go into that, would the general furnish us a statement as to whether there are rental guarantee provisions or accommodations on any of these locations?

General CURTIN. Yes, sir. I will research that point, too.

Senator CANNON. And if so, what our obligation is with relation thereto, and also if you would furnish a list of priorities. Place these units here in order of priority.

General CURTIN. We will do that, sir.

Senator STENNIS. All right. I want a little more on these other items outside the United States. Where is Aviano?

Colonel FENLON. In northern Italy.

Senator STENNIS. What are you doing for that space now?

Colonel STURGEON. Sir, at the present time we are having to crowd up the men in the dormitories and in some instances some of them are having to obtain space in the local community, which is not desirable. Senator STENNIS. What is the cost ratio compared to the United States in Italy?

General CURTIN. It is about even now, Mr. Chairman.

Senator STENNIS. All right, the next one is Incirlik. That is way up north, isn't it?

Colonel FENLON. No, sir; that is in southern Turkey.

Senator STENNIS. What is the cost ratio in Turkey?
General CURTIN. 0.9 compared to the ZI.

Senator STENNIS. What are you doing for these 200 men now? How are you taking care of them now at Incirlik?

Colonel STURGEON. Here again we are having to crowd them in some instances four men to a room, and they are also occupying some metal prefab buildings.

Senator STENNIS. These are all permanent installations now?
Colonel STURGEON. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. I can deal with this for the Air Force. Some of the places which I saw you were using, you certainly need something better.

General CURTIN. I would like to make a point here on this question of dormitories, and I think it is well to put this in focus.

You mention about the upgrading. We have roughed out the requirements for properly housing our airmen, only speaking of airmen here. To complete this program we estimate it will take about $165 million of new construction, and some $30 to $35 million of further upgrading of facilities like the one at Hamilton which we discussed yesterday. If we are ever going to achieve this, we do have a sizable program in front of us.

Senator STENNIS. That is throughout the entire Air Force installation?

General CURTIN. Yes, sir.

Senator STENNIS. Worldwide?

General CURTIN. Yes, sir, based upon our present manning.

Senator ELLENDER. Mr. Chairman, I would just like to remark, according to all that is being done here, that it looks as though we are going to remain abroad from here out. Is that what you have in mind?

General CURTIN. These particular stations are long-term stations, particularly the one at Incirlik. All three of these actually have been of extreme concern to the commander in chief in USAFE in terms of properly taking care of his airmen in these areas.

Senator STENNIS. All right, gentlemen, on the next page there are 16 projects. There is justification material in between. I suppose you have an explanation for that?

Colonel FULTON. These are replacements, sir.

General CURTIN. There is a follow-on from the page ahead of airmen's dormitories, Mr. Chairman, except that these are categorized as replacements.

Senator STENNIS. Senator Ellender.

Senator ELLENDER. Do you level those you have there now and rebuild new ones? Is that what you are doing?

General CURTIN. In most of these cases we will be replacing existing facilities that we have determined are not economically repairable or cannot be upgraded.

Senator ELLENDER. Who makes that judgment?

General CURTIN. That is made locally and by a survey also by the command staff that is responsible. Generally, our rule of thumb is that if it will take more than $1,000 per man to upgrade the facility to an acceptable standard, in a condition that we can retain 10 to 15 years, we feel it is more economical and prudent to go to replacement construction. If we can do it for less than $1,000 then we try to upgrade the existing facility.

Senator ELLENDER. As to the 16 projects, I wonder if you would give when each was constructed and the number of people you have in them now. Furnish that for the record.

General CURTIN. Yes, sir; we can do that.

Senator ELLENDER. When they were constructed and the kind of construction, and the justifications for your brandnew buildings.