REQUEST SUPPORT

Senator MONRONEY. Page 17; $20,000 requested for two man-dog teams to patrol the grounds of the Library buildings.

Senator YARBOROUGH. Mr. Chairman, I don't want to pull down our other patrol but I think they need that. I live a block away. That is open until 10 o'clock at night. People come down there. Unless they have a show going on at 9 or 9:30 the women would not feel safe walking around there. This is open to tourists. There ought to be protection for them.

POLICE PATROLLING OF CAPITOL GROUNDS DURING TOURIST SEASON

Senator MONRONEY. We are going to protect tourists in another section of the bill which will give us augmentation of the Metropolitan Police if I have anything to say about this. I am anxious that the additional police we put on to patrol grounds of the Capitol when it is kept open at night. It will be done as far as the Senate is concerned with the Metropolitan Police. How many men do we figure on putting on? Mr. CHEATHAM. The committee has not decided. We asked for 21 Capitol men. You asked me to submit to you some figures on Metropolitan policemen which I have here.

Senator MONRONEY. I am definitely against patronage police on duty on the Capitol Grounds at night because pickpockets and yokers can tell a Capitol policeman instantly and not seem to be very much afraid of that kind of patrol. But they also know the minute the Metropolitan Police go on the job that the jig is up.

Senator YARBOROUGH. Put this money in for the Metropolitan Police. Put some professionals in there.

Mr. CHEATHAM. Mr. Duke is very happy about your suggestion, Mr. Chairman, to have metropolitan men for keeping the building open instead of additional Capitol Police. However, as to this Library situation there are some legal questions that I must point out to you.

PROGRAM ESTIMATED COST

Senator MONRONEY. We are only talking about 6 months from Easter to Labor Day. I think you figure it on an annual basis. If we have Metropolitan Police it is much better than worrying about patronage police. We will have them for 12 months a year and probably it is not necessary to have them that length of time.

Mr. CHEATHAM. I just gave you the full figure.

Senator MONRONEY. For reimbursement to the District of Columbia instead of being $246,000 it will be about $133,000 for the 6 months? Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes, sir.

Senator MONRONEY. I am inclined to think that is an expense that we should consider and if we have that many additional privates I think that we will have, at least for the period of from Easter to Labor Day we will have at least that properly patroled.

POLICE PATROLLING OF LIBRARY OF CONGRESS GROUNDS

We might then figure on a couple of extra men for the Library grounds.

Senator YARBOROUGH. They have things going on during the winter months, Mr. Chairman. It is not only the tourist thing. It is at night and people go

there.

PUBLIC BUILDINGS AND GROUND STATUTE

Mr. CHEATHAM. I do not speak on the policy of using Capitol Police at the Library but on the legality of it? I am not saying that you cannot put in proper language to cover their use but the language the House put in does not mean a thing.

(Supplementary information appears on p. 433.)

SUBSTITUTION OF "METROPOLITAN" FOR "CAPITOL" IN HOUSE REPORT LANGUAGE.

Senator SALTONSTALL. Why is not the thing for us to do, for Mr. Scott and Mr. Cheatham to get together to strike out on page 14 everything from line 5 to line 13 and rewrite it with Metropolitan Police.

Mr. CHEATHAM. That is striking a little too much, Senator.
Senator MONRONEY. You strike out what is necessary.

Mr. CHEATHAM. What the House added is all we need to strike out. Senator MONRONEY. In other words, we put on, instead of the 21 new Capitol Police we put on 14 Metropolitan Police on a 7-day week and 1 sergeant, is that correct?

Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes.

Senator MONRONEY. Would that be sufficient for the House and Senate?

HOUSE POLICEMAN FOR CAPITOL EVENING OPENING

Mr. CHEATHAM. No, sir; the House is putting on 20 new Capitol Policemen on their own to care for keeping the Capitol open until 10 o'clock. We hope, as you say, you will use less Metropolitan Police for that.

Senator MONRONEY. You can use Capitol Police inside where there is no danger of crime and helping with the parking and you can use the metropolitan policeman outdoors.

OPENING AND POLICING OF SENATE OFFICE BUILDINGS AT NIGHT

Senator YARBOROUGH. I hope we put a few Senate ones on so that we can get one door open to one of these Senate office buildings on the Constitution Street side at night.

Mr. CHEATHAM. Senator Yarborough, I talked your problem over with Mr. Duke. He told me to tell the committee that if the superintendent of the building, Mr. Caraway, would let us know what door is to be kept open on the Constitution Avenue side all night, Mr. Duke will have a police officer on it all night.

Senator YARBOROUGH. I don't want him to close any other door.

Mr. CHEATHAM. Those two on the north will remain open as far as the Sergeant at Arms is concerned.

Senator YARBOROUGH. Many a time I have had to walk around in the rain on the far side and lose about 15 minutes at night.

POLICE PATROLLING OF LIBRARY OF CONGRESS GROUNDS

Senator MONRONEY. You come up with whether we need two or three to police these additional grounds over there. I am sorry we don't have any canine corps available at the present time.

Mr. CHEATHAM. No, sir. If we send any of our five canines to the Library the protection for the Capitol Grounds will be diminished. There are 118 acres of unimproved Capitol Grounds protected by 5

canines.

Senator MONRONEY. This is not too much space that they have over there to police.

Mr. CHEATHAM. No, just a few acres. Now if we send Capitol policemen over there, as the law now stands and Capitol policemen apprehend somebody on the Library grounds you could not possibly convict him because a Capitol policeman has no authority in the Library grounds.

Senator SALTONSTALL. We are suggesting Metropolitan Police.

Mr. CHEATHAM. Fine. Mr. Duke says if the Capitol Police force under the Capitol Police Board is going to police the Library grounds, then the Library grounds should be made part of the Capitol Grounds and he and the Sergeant at Arms of the House, Johnson, should have the full and undivided responsibility.

Senator MONRONEY. You can use the Metropolitan Police. The Metropolitan Police have a right to make arrests on the Capitol Grounds. We are extending this Metropolitan Police to the Library and they have the right to make arrests on the Library grounds. So I don't know where there is any conflict.

(Discussion off the record.)

Senator SALTONSTALL. I would be in favor of covering the Library of Congress and the outside. I would follow your suggestion in having Mr. Cheatham and Mr. Scott work out the language so that we can do it.

Senator MONRONEY. Right. Thank you very much.

Mr. CHEATHAM. May we consider having a little bit extra metropolitan manpower?

Senator MONRONEY. That is what we are talking about.

Mr. CHEATHAM. Over and above the 15 for the Senate.

Senator MONRONEY. Three for the Library grounds, two or three. I don't know which we will finally agree on because it is not very much area.

Mr. CHEATHAM. No. That is why I was amazed they wanted two canine corpsmen for just a little bit of area.

Senator MONRONEY. Well, you always ask for plenty.

CORRECTION OF RECORD

Mr. CHEATHAM. I have two or three things, you don't need to hear them, in regard to Mr. Stewart's testimony of a week ago that Mr. Duke wanted me to correct on the record. Do you mind if I dictate them to the stenographer?

Senator MONRONEY. We would like to hear them.
Mr. CHEATHAM. All right.

NIGHT OPENING OF SENATE OFFICE BUILDING

One of them was Senator Yarborough's problem. If Caraway will tell us which door or two doors he wants open on Constitution we will have policemen there.

Senator YARBOROUGH. If he will get just one of these buildings. The First and Constitution is the busiest corner. More people could

get access with less money by opening one door at First and Constitution, either old or new.

Senator MONRONEY. For how long?

Senator YARBOROUGH. All night, like the others.

Mr. CHEATHAM. Because if it is not open all night, Senator Yarborough might stay until midnight or he might stay until 3 o'clock. Senator MONRONEY. I was wondering about the traffic until 6. I wondered what traffic is on any of the doors.

Senator YARBOROUGH. I would say one door on this west side. I am in the old building but I can come into the new building just as easily. I don't ask that it be put in my building.

I suggest the new building for this reason. There is an automatic elevator in the new building. There is no automatic elevator in the old building. If somebody comes in the old and wants to go into the new, he has to walk downstairs. Here there is automatic elevator service. I would suggest the new simply because there is an automatic elevator and it makes the policemen there more usable to everybody.

Senator SALTONSTALL. We are all ready to adjourn. He was going to dictate something in the record.

Mr. CHEATHAM. There were two or three items that took place. Senator SALTONSTALL. Could we go off the record for a moment? (Discussion off the record.)

CHARWOMEN ASSIGNMENT

Mr. CHEATHAM. At the hearing on Tuesday, June 16, the Architect of the Capitol testified that his janitors clean all of the Senate side of the Capitol except the Senate wing. Mr. Duke would like to correct this mistaken impression and have the record show that the janitors of the Sergeant at Arms clean everything in the Senate side of the Capitol, both the old building and the Senate wing. The Architect's men clean only the rotunda and crypt directly in the middle of the building.

JOINT ECONOMIC COMMITTEE

ACTIVATION OF ADDITIONAL SUBCOMMITTEES

Senator PROXMIRE. Before we consider this item, Mr. Chairman, may I present the Joint Economic Committee's appropriations request for the forthcoming fiscal year?

Seantor MONRONEY. This is an addition, I believe, that was put in by the House. How much?

Senator PROXMIRE. The amount put in is $360,000. The addition is $95,000. This is for the Joint Economic Committee. I have a statement on behalf of Congressman Patman, who is chairman. Senator MONRONEY. This comes on line 20?

Mr. SCOTT. No, sir; it is line 35.

Senator PROXMIRE. Unfortunately Congressman Patman could not be here at this time and was anxious to have it presented.

He has asked me to act in his stead in presenting the Joint Economic Committee's appropriation request for the forthcoming fiscal

year.

Happily, this request reflects the wishes of the entire committee without dissent, majority or minority.

While it represents an expansion over last year, it is important to note that the fiscal year 1965 level is just where it was 10 years ago with the exception of salary increases required by law, so that the committee staff has been hard pressed in trying to keep up with the greatly expanded duties of the committee.

In the intervening years, the economic issues before the committee and the Congress have become much broader, more complex, and more varied. Whereas 10 years ago the committee was able to function with four subcommittees, it is now necessary to activate seven.

SUBCOMMITTEE ON ECONOMIC PROGRESS

To give you a few examples of the work to be undertaken by the subcommittees in the coming fiscal year, the Subcommittee on Economic Progress will undertake a study of automation and the economic aspects of the Great Society programs, particularly the war against poverty. Obviously, these programs have profound implications for our economy and there is a great dearth of knowledge on the subject. It might be added that limited funds did not permit us to activate this important subcommittee in recent years.

SUBCOMMITTEE ON FISCAL POLICY

Another subcommittee which will be more active in the coming year is the Subcommittee on Fiscal Policy, which hopes to make a broad review of Federal fiscal policy, including its interrelations with the policies of State and local governments.

In addition, it will examine the rapid growth of pensions, and the development and expansion of social security, in respect to their effects on the economy.

SUBCOMMITTEE ON INTER-AMERICAN ECONOMIC RELATIONS

For a number of years, Senator Sparkman's Subcommittee on InterAmerican Economic Relations has been doing an excellent job of acquainting the Congress of economic developments in the nations to the south. In the coming year, we will want to watch closely the progress of regional and Western Hemisphere trade arrangements now going on and the development of financial institutions and channels for capital accumulation within the Latin American nations. Both have obvious importance for American policy.

Another project that should be undertaken is a review of the Soviet economy, which assumes particular importance with the termination, this year, of the current 7-year plan. In the past, the committee has made several analyses of Russian economic matters, and each has been regarded as a very valuable contribution to knowledge and extremely useful to the U.S. Government, particularly the State Department and the CIA. They are widely sought by foreign officials and scholars as a leading source of information on the Soviet Union.