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Senator PRoxMIRE. Does the Senator pay that out of his pocket? Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes. Senator YARBOROUGH. I am paying $99 per month right now for three instruments in my home office out of my pocket Mr. CHEATHAM. Is that on the GSA board? Senator YARBOROUGH. No. Senator MonroNEY. That is just local service? Senator YARBOROUGH. Yes. I keep a phone on there. I don’t go. through the GSA board because I can’t have the people phone and be told that the Senator cannot be found. It is bad politically. Mr. CHEATHAM. Since you are in the same building with that switchboard they will give you that service if you want it. Senator MoMRONEY. They will charge you for it. Senator YARBorough. They told me I couldn't get it. They will also give you local service and charge you for it but you will have to pay that out of your pocket. Senator, I am talking of this service all over the United States to Government agencies. Mr. CHEATHAM. That is the $12 per month per instrument that you would need to pay.


Senator YoUNG. There is another WATS Service that one of the Congressmen from my State has. He has a WATS line on which he can call all over the State. Is this on his own line? Senator MonroNEY. There is a WATS service that we can buy personally, as I understand it. Then there is this Federal telephone service which is augmented by WATS service brokered through the General Services Administration. Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes, sir; that is correct. Senator YARBOROUGH. For $12 a month I can have that service between Austin and my Washington office? Senator Proxy(IRE. For Senator Yarborough that would be $36. Senator MoMRONEY. We don’t use General Services, neither does Senator Yarborough, because the service is too bad and it is closed all day Saturday. Senator YARBOROUGH. It is closed Saturday, Sunday, and nights.


Mr. CHEATHAM. The GSA men told us they can hook up a night line on your Federal office switchboard in the State. In other words, their General Services operator in your building can hook up one phone so that it will stay connected all Saturday and all Sunday and all evenings.

Senator YARBOROUGH. I don’t know what I pay between my Austin o: and here. A big part of my long distance is from the State OITICe.

Mr. CHEATHAM. Of course, your State office, if you make that available some way either out of your pocket or if the committee wants to appropriate money to cover it, could call you here as often as every hour on the hour if they can get a line out of that GSA switchboard.


Senator MonroNEY. What does it cost us to buy the WATS service from Chesapeake & Potomac now? How much a month? You have three different plans, apparently. Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes, sir. On the right-hand side of the table, plan 3 is figured to provide some more calls than our average daily telephone long-distance calls today under the present systems. Senator MonroNEY. Is this figured for the whole Congress? Mr. CHEATHAM. No, sir; just for the Senate. Senator MoMRONEY. For the hundred Members of the Senate? Mr. CHEATHAM. And committees and the Vice President. Senator MoWRONEY. Which column are you reading? Mr. CHEATHAM. Plan 3 on the right-hand side. It covers nearly a third of the page. Senator MonroREY. That would be 71% calls a day; is that right? Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes, sir. That would cost $46,976.50 per month. There is no way to monitor those calls by listening in. Nor will there be available any means of listing who makes how many calls.


Senator MoWRONEY. This seems like a tremendous difference in the cost of that much per month. That would be $469.76 per Senator's telephone if we buy it through the Chesapeake & Potomac. If we buy it through GSA we get it for $12. Is that correct? Mr. CHEATHAM. No, sir. You see, C. & P. WATS is going out of Washington only. The $12 a month applies only to FTS out of the State office. Senator MoWRONEY. I thought we were talking about going out of Washington on the General Services. Mr. CHEATHAM. We deviated because Senator Saltonstall brought up this other problem of the General Services Administration from your home State. Senator MoWRONEY. But he calls from here to his home State, too. Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes, sir. All Senators may use that if they wish but it is charged against the present allotment of each and does not give many more calls each month, as Senator Saltonstall told us last e8. I’. y SIMPLE STATEMENT OF Two OR THREE PLANS REQUESTED

Senator MoWRONEY. We are just going around in a circle. Forget about the past, all that has been done and write out a report for us so that we won’t have to spend 2 hours trying to get this into digest form. If necessary, we will get somebody from General Services Administration down here who can give it to us in capsule form. It is so fuzzy, I can’t understand it. Mr. CHEATHAM. You see, Senator, I have tried to cover all of the angles for you to better help you choose. Senator MoWRONEY. I think you have. Mr. CHEATHAM. If I may give you a little bit more here. There is no way to control WATS. That gets you right back to where you were last year on the FTS of General Services Administration.

Senator MoWRONEY. But all this for correspondence you have submitted says that they don’t know how to charge us for this. Yet you say we can buy it from them today for $12. Is that correct? Mr. CHEATHAM. That is from your home office only. Senator MoWRONEY. I understood you to say you could call from your office to Boston. Mr. CHEATHAM. You can do that if you have it charged to your present allotment. Senator MonroNEY. That is what I am talking about. Or you can increase the present allotment. Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes. Mr. Duke does not have anything to recommend. He just wanted to present all the various facilities. Senator MoWRONEY. I think what you need to do is to sit down with Mr. Scott and figure out two or three alternative plans and what they are going to cost us and try to keep it simple so that we can understand and decide. I think from what you have said what we need to do is to keep our present allocation and allow us to charge $12 a month out of our cash figure and in that way we will have the benefits of both systems until they can shape this thing up a little bit better. Mr. CHEATHAM. May I go off the record 1 second? Senator MonroNEY. Yes. (Discussion off the record.)


Mr. CHEATHAM. If the Senate takes any of the three C. & P. WATS plans the volume of calls and cost would be: Plan 1, 2,000 calls per day at $85,000 per month; plan 2, 1,000 calls per day at $54,000 per month; and plan 3 at $46,000 per month over and above the present monthly long-distance bill. As long as you could get a line you can call all day long and all night long from Washington to anywhere in the country on this WATS system, except to Hawaii and Alaska. Senator MoWRONEY. You would have to have plan 1 or 2 to do that because this would cut us down to seven calls a day on plan No. 3. Mr. CHEATHAM. Mr. Duke would recommend that if you take any of these three plans you keep your present system too for the time being to insure a good level of service. Senator YARBOROUGH. Is this only to Government numbers or calling anybody? Mr. CHEATHAM. Calling anybody. Senator MonroNEY. Wherever there is a Government line running to that area? Mr. CHEATHAM. No, sir, you may call anybody on any private phone on WATS. Senator MoWRoNEY. This you are submitting here, the Senate WATS, is to deal straight with the Chesapeake & Potomac' Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes, sir. Senator MoWRONEY. There are three plans, one for 750 calls a day, one for 1,000, and one for 2,000 for the whole 100 Members of the Senate. Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes.


Senator MoWRONEY. It would all be billed to the Senate? Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes, sir. Senator SALTONSTALL. That would be over and above the $38,000 monthly average that we are now paying? Mr. CHEATMAN. It would, sir, because since there is no way to control this WATS, in other words, some Senators might try to make 50 calls a day Senator SALTONSTALL. The $38,000, Mr. Cheatham, would come down to what? If we put in the 2,000 calls for the 85,000 wouldn't necessarily this $38,000 come down? Mr. CHEATHAM. We would hope that. For instance, if every Sen: ator would try to go through WATS first and then if he were in a real big rush and he could not wait until he could get a free line then he would fall back on and use one of his present two types of allowances. We think those allowances would come down considerably but we don’t think you should cut them down until it is tested if you should adopt one of the WATS plans. Senator MoWRONEY. Let me ask you a question here that I think is important. Does your telephone girl have to hang on to that line until she gets a party? Mr. CHEATHAM. No, sir. Senator MoWRONEY. You give the number you are calling and they will ring it back; is that correct?


Mr. CHEATHAM. Maybe I was not quite clear. There are no callbacks and no credit calls on this. In other words, you telephone station to station or your girl does, and says let me speak to Mr. X, out in my home State and Mr. X is out. All you can do is leave word that you called. You cannot leave word for him to call you back collect on this WATS system as you can now on your present system.

Senator SALTONSTALL. He would have to call back on the $38,000 allowance.

Senator MoWRONEY. He would have to call back to his own money.


I think we should have you and Mr. Scott go over it and I will be glad to sit in or have someone from my office sit in to try to work out two or three simple plans and get it done in one, two, three order so that we won’t be quite so confused on it. I can understand how we have gone back into the history of this thing but let us bring it up to date on what we can buy today, (a) the General Services plan, (b) the WATS plan charged to the Senate, and (c) a combination of the two.

Mr. CHEATHAM. Fine, sir.

Senator SALTONSTALL. Mr. Chairman, what it will amount to is that we will have our present system which costs $38,000 and then we would in addition have the WATS system as a possibility or the GSA system, or a combination of all three.



Senator SALTONSTALL. May I ask one question, Mr. Chairman? Have we in your opinion the authority—or I will ask this question of Mr. Scott, have we the authority to go ahead without a Rules Committee approval?

Mr. Scott. Yes, sir. This committee always had had jurisdiction with respect to telephone calls.


Senator SALTONSTALL. Then I think, Mr. Chairman, your suggestion is an excellent one. Ought we not put a time limit on that? Senator MoWRONEY. I would like to see it reported back by the end of the week because I want to mark this bill up. Mr. CHEATHAM. You would like it before the markup 3 Senator MoMRONEY. Yes. Mr. CHEATHAM. Fine. We will make those recommendations. You see, Mr. Duke felt that you might not want him to make a recommendation but since you do— Senator MonroNEY. I would like to have you, Mr. Scott, and maybe someone from my office and I will participate if I have time.


I call your attention on page 14, lines 12 and 13, of the House bill language where it has included under Capitol Police, which is designed to authorize Capitol Police to patrol the grounds of the Library of Congress.

Mr. Cheatham, do you have any comment to make on this language?


Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes, sir. Mr. Duke recommends that this language be deleted from the bill for the following reasons:

{} It does not accomplish what was intended;

2) Any attempt to function under it would be done without specific

legal authority in Capitol Police and the Capitol Police Board;

(3) Even if it did not create a flaw in the law, administration of it * two heads would result in conflict, confusion and inefficiency; 3.11C

(4) The evening police at the Capitol are too few and more are now being requested by each House for their own needs respectively and does not include any manpower to be used elsewhere.

The House had a request from the Librarian of Congress to provide funds to the Library for two Metropolitan Police canine corpsmen for its grounds. They only have about 8 acres over there. We only have five on our 118 acres. The House denied the money for the Library to reimburse the Metropolitan Police and get those canine corpsmen. Instead, it inserted the language that you have just referred to, Mr. Chairman. Now here is what the House put in their report which I Hope the chairman will make a part of the record.

Senator YARBOROUGH. What page is that on ?

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