REPORT ON STAFF APPLICANT Representative CELLER. Then I would like to place this in your custody. This is a report received from the Attorney General on a certain gentleman that he wanted me to place on the staff, which I refused. Is that all right? Senator MONRONEY. That is all right. We can receive this and keep it for the files of the committee. If you have any oral testimony, you may proceed. Representative CELLER. I would not want to have that go on orally, because it is a very deleterious situation, and I wouldn't want to have that go on orally, I wouldn't want to put it on the record. There are a number of those he wanted me to place on the staff which I could not conscientiously put on the staff. PRESIDENT TRUMAN'S VETO MESSAGE RE SECTION 401 OF WALTER-MCCARRAN ACT I wish to point out to you that in the veto message of the WalterMcCarran Act which President Truman submitted to Congress, specific mention was made of this very section 401. President Truman said: Section 401 of this bill would establish a Joint Congressional Committee on Immigration and Nationality Policy. This committee would have the customary powers to hold hearings and to subpena witnesses, books, papers, and documents. But the committee would also be given powers over the executive branch which are unusual and of a highly questionable nature. Specifically, section 401 would provide that the Secretary of State and the Attorney General shall without delay submit to the committee all regulations, instructions, and all other information as requested by the committee relative to the administration of this act. This section appears to be another attempt to require the executive branch to make available to the Congress administrative documents, communications between the President and his subordinates, confidential files, and other records of that character. It also seems to imply that the committee would undertake to supervise or approve regulations. Such proposals are not consistent with the constitutional doctrine of the separation of powers. That is one of the reasons why this committee has never met. DELETION OF OBJECTIONABLE CONCEPT IN PROPOSALS OF KENNEDY AND JOHNSON ADMINISTRATIONS Now we are considering the immigration proposals set up by both the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, which, in effect, sustain the veto of the Walter-McCarran Act by deleting the concept of what President Truman found objectionable. It would, indeed, be contradictory if we made the necessary reforms and raised the joint committee objected to in the veto message to a significance it does not merit. I do hope, gentlemen, that in your wisdom you will see to it that these appropriations will not be made for this joint committee for the reasons I have indicated. LIMITED JURISDICTION OF JOINT COMMITTEE Senator HAYDEN. Well, I wanted to ask as to this joint committee, to which you made reference, does it have authority to report bills to the House? Representative CELLER. It could make reports, but it has no legislative functions whatsoever. Senator HAYDEN. If legislation were to be enacted, it would have to be reported from your committee? Representative CELLER. It would have to be reported out of the Judiciary Committee of the House. Senator HAYDEN. It can make recommendations, and that is all? Representative CELLER. That is all they could do, and it would have to be all duplicated, and we would then have to hold hearings on whatever the recommendations were. It is absolute duplication. There is no legislative power whatsoever. FUNDING OF JOINT COMMITTEE Senator HAYDEN. I believe you mentioned that the Senate would have to contribute a like amount of money for the operation of the joint committee. Representative CELLER. I think that that is your rule, isn't it? Representative CELLER. It would mean that you would have to match what the House does. Senator MONRONEY. If we choose to go into it. Representative CELLER. If you do anything, that is right. That would mean that they would get almost as much money as my whole Judiciary Committee. Senator MONRONEY. In the comity between the two Houses, I hardly know what we can do regarding the $120,000 that the House put up. We never examine as to the wisdom of their appropriations for their own facilities, you see. Representative CELLER. If there is no appropriation by this commitee, I don't see how this committee could function. JOINT COMMITTEE CREATION Senator MONRONEY. When was this set up again? Senator MONRONEY. It was not set up by a special resolution introduced to create the Joint Committee on Immigration? This was a portion of a rather long bill, the immigration bill? Representative CELLER. Ín 1952. It was signed in 1952 and passed at the end of 1951. Senator MONRONEY. And it has never been augmented or implemented? JOINT COMMITTEE MEETING Representative CELLER. We met once when Pat McCarran was chairman and there was an argument, an acrimonious argument as to who was to be clerk, and it busted up. We met for about 5 minutes, and that was the end, and we never met after that. Senator MONRONEY. Until very recently. Representative CELLER. Until last year when Mr. Feighan sent this roundrobin around, which declared himself chairman. It was a most unusual proceeding, and the meeting was never held for Mr. Feighan to become chairman. It was a roundrobin letter, and he styled himself chairman. He appointed a man named O'Connor to get this $20.000 job. I don't want to talk to you about that gentleman until sometime later when I will talk to you about him. That committee never met and it did nothing all during the last Congress. JOINT COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP Senator MONRONEY. Who was on this committee? Representative CELLER. On the Senate side originally was Eastland, McClellan, Olin Johnston who is now deceased unfortunately, and Everett Dirksen, and Senator Keating who was defeated. So there are two vacancies. Senator MONRONEY. Were these appointed by the Vice President, or President pro tem? Representative CELLER. They were appointed by the President pro tem. The House side is myself, Feighan, and Chelf, of Kentucky, and McCulloch, of Ohio, and Moore, of West Virginia. Senator MONRONEY. These were appointed by the Speaker of the House? Representative CELLER. Yes, sir. In the House you have to appoint them with every new Congress, but you are a continuing body, and take it that once a committee has been formed, it continues. Am I right in that regard? Senator MONRONEY. Generally, unless the Members are no longer Members of the Senate, and I don't know whether the places of Senator Keating and Johnston have been filled or not. Representative CELLER. I spoke to the Vice President, and he has not appointed them. Senator MONRONEY. Is the joint committee constituted officially in the House of Representatives? Representative CELLER. In the House, yes, but they haven't met. Senator MONRONEY. And no chairman has been elected? Representative CELLER. No. Senator MONRONEY. Is that correct? Representative CELLER. No chairman was elected and I doubt whether a chairman would be elected. There would be no chairman of the House. It would be a chairman of the overall. Senator MONRONEY. He would be elected by both the House and the Senate Members. Representative CELLER. We have never met, and we never will meet. Senator PROXMIRE. I have no questions. Senator MONRONEY. We thank you very much, Chairman Celler, for your courtesy in appearing here. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE CONSTRUCTION FUNDS FOR NEW BUILDING STATEMENT OF DONALD B. THRUSH, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, PRINTING INDUSTRIES OF AMERICA, INC. INTRODUCTION OF WITNESSES Senator MONRONEY. The rest of our morning meeting will be with representatives of the distinguished Printing Industries of America, headed by Mr. Thrush, chairman of the board, Printing Industries of America, and Donald E. Sommer, technical director, Printing Industries of America; A. E. Giegengack, former Public Printer of the United States; James Norick, Norick Bros., Inc., Oklahoma City, Okla.; Mark Roberts, Roberts Printing Co., Oklahoma City, Okla.; Harry Mikalson, Artcraft Press, Waterloo, Wis. Would you all like to appear together and then you can each give the testimony? Senator Proxmire is a member of your industry, having been a part of the graphic arts industry, and I believe he has a statement to make. Senator PROXMIRE. My statement, Mr. Chairman, pertains to the Joint Economic Committee. I have the staff man here from the Joint Economic Committee who has been working with me on that, and I can make it now or wait until a later time, whatever suits your convenience. to Senator MONRONEY. If it wouldn't be too much of an inconvenience you, these gentlemen are from out of town and there are quite a number of them. Maybe we can get through with them. But I didn't want to take a chance to compel them to remain over. Mr. Thrush, you are chairman of the board. You do it the way you would like to do it and proceed in your own way and give us whatever information you wish us to receive. CORPORATION MEMBERSHIP, AFFILIATES, AND CLIENTELE Mr. THRUSH. Mr. Chairman, my name is Donald B. Thrush, and I am president of the Thrush Press from New York City. I appear before you today in my capacity as chairman of the board of the Printing Industries of America, Inc., which has within its membership over 6,000 printing companies, located throughout the United States. There are 50 city, State, and regional associations affiliated with our national association. In addition there are several national associations which Printing Industries of America, Inc., represents. The printing industry is recognized as being an industry of small businesses. During my 30 years in the printing industry I have served in many capacities, including that of chairman of the Printing Industries Association of Metropolitan New York, which is the Nation's No. 1 graphic arts center. It is our intention this morning, gentlemen, to be as brief as possible. STATEMENT OF A. E. GIEGENGACK, FORMER PUBLIC PRINTER OF THE UNITED STATES INTRODUCTION OF WITNESS Mr. THRUSH. One of our witnesses has another very important meeting to attend, and with your permission, I would like to put him on now. He is a distinguished gentleman, well known to some of you on the committee, the former Public Printer of the United States. Senator MONRONEY. We have heard him many times when he was here asking for funds, and we are glad to have him in his new capacity, Mr. Giegengack. WITNESS BACKGROUND Mr. GIEGENGACK. Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, during the hectic days of World War II and in the transitional period that followed the war, I was privileged to be the Public Printer of the United States. Since then I've kept current on happenings at the Government Printing Office and in the printing industry. With this background, I appear before you today in a twofold capacity-as a booster of the Government Printing Office, and as one who is proud to be a lifelong printer. At this time I have no desire to bore you with technical detail about letterpresses, offset presses, total cylinder capacity at the Government Printing Office, and numerous other items of this sort. Rather, I want to express to you my sincere beliefs based on my experience about the request before this subcommittee for approximately $46 million to build a new Government Printing Office. CONGRESSIONAL SERVICE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE Original purposes are often forgotten. Too frequently a prime purpose of an establishment becomes foggy and almost forgotten in the intensity of debate and discussion relating to the business. Thus, while printing is the main activity of the Government Printing Office, its principal function is service to the Congress. PROXIMITY TO CAPITOL Located within walking distance of where we are at this moment, the present location of the Government Printing Office has been and is ideally situated for meeting the needs of its prime customerCongress. As long as our National Congress is where it is, the printing plant that puts on paper every word said by its Members and those testifying before it must be as close as possible. This is illustrated in the time-tested efficient methods that have been designed to produce the daily Congressional Record. Time is an essential element in securing the manuscript copy, in doing a thorough check on that copy, in the inserts of speeches and other material ordered to be inserted in the Record, all of which must be done before |