The Senate will also need six additional attendants under my janitor. Three of those would be men to attend and clean men's toilets and to pick up trash periodically in all Senate corridors with lobby trays and to empty and refresh smoking-sand urns. The other three positions would be filled by women to attend and clean ladies' toilets. The cost per annum of all the above-mentioned additional positions is as follows: 20 privates, police force, at a per annum basic rate of $2,160 and a gross of $5,897.56. 1 sergeant at a per annum basic rate of $2,520 and a gross of $6,806.19____ 6 laborers at a per annum basic rate of $1,680 and a gross of $4,734.17. Aggregate total___. Total $117, 951. 60 6,806. 19 28, 405. 02 153, 162.81 Language to be inserted in the legislative appropriation bill, 1966, to effect, the proposed 27 new positions is suggested as follows: "Provided, That effective July 1, 1965, the Sergeant at Arms may employ twenty additional private police at $2,160 basic pér annum each; one additional police sergeant at $2,520 basic per annum; and six additional laborers at $1,680 basic per annum each." With kind regards. JOSEPH C. DUKE, SALARIES FOR ADDITIONAL POLICE PERSONNEL Mr. CHEATHAM. This is a separate item for salaries under the Sergeant at Arms and not funds for upkeep. The House put in or authorized for itself 20 additional private Capitol Police to take care of keeping the building open until 10 p.m., and they clearly stated that those 20 privates are for the use of the House. Mr. Duke feels that 20 Capitol policemen and 1 sergeant are needed for the Senate to keep open until 10 p.m. If we are going to have 20 new privates we must have some additional supervisory services. CUSTODIAL SERVICES Senator MONRONEY. What are the six laborers for? Mr. CHEATHAM. The six laborers, Mr. Chairman, are for custodial services. For instance now, with the building closing at 4:30 there is little if any use of public toilets except by a few employees. We have three public men's toilets and three public ladies' toilets, and we will need female attendants for the three ladies' toilets. We will need the male attendants for the three men's toilets, and in addition those men will use lobby trays and go around constantly picking up candy, chewing gum wrappers, and cigarette butts, and other trash which collects fast. The latter is done all day long now on the Senate side. We will not be able to use the janitors who come to work now at around 7:30 and work until 4. The new night work will be seven evenings a week. We cannot pay overtime as can the Architect of the Capitol and executive agencies. TOTAL COST FOR ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL Senator MONRONEY. So the Senate side picture would cost $153,162.81 for these 20 privates for the Senate side, is that correct, including 1 sergeant and 6 laborers? Mr. CHEATHAM. That is correct, sir. Senator MONRONEY. Will these be patronage police or will these be Metropolitan Police? Mr. CHEATHAM. Well, Senator, these will all be Senate-appointed policemen. As far as whether they will be in the patronage or not I am not in a position to answer that. METROPOLITAN POLICE VIS-A-VIS CAPITOL POLICE Senator MONRONEY. It seems to me if we found it necessary to get Metropolitan Police to protect the people against crime up here, and they are going to have large numbers of people going through, we ought to put real policemen up here instead of boys who are office boys today and police tomorrow. I think it is disgraceful that we give these boys absolutely no training, yet expect them to be policemen and to cope with crime situations far beyond their capability. Actually they are not policemen at all. They are wearing uniform, maybe they might even be able to direct a little bit of traffic, but I would hate to see this become a patronage ridden operation where we get nothing but students who will be sitting around studying their lessons instead of doing their police work. Mr. CHEATHAM. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Duke would agree very heartily with your statement. He would much prefer increasing the Board's fund so Metropolitan Police could be assigned for the new extra work from 4:30 p.m. to 10 p.m., instead of creating 20 new Capitol Police positions. I infer that is your thought. Senator MONRONEY. Wait a minute. It does not cost you too much more to get real police than it does these patronage boys, and I would rather have 10 or 15 Metropolitan Police than 20 boys who although very deserving and fine young chaps, are working their way through law school some place and have their minds on their books instead of their police work. Mr. CHEATHAM. Would you like to have me submit at an early date, such as tomorrow, the differential in cost? Senator MONRONEY. I would like to have that. Mr. CHEATHAM. Fine, sir. Mr. CHEATHAM. May I add at this point, sir Senator MONRONEY. Because I would like to know the total cost of our nonpolicemen here on Capitol Hill. Senator PROXMIRE. It might also be helpful if you gave an indication of how many regular police can be hired for the same costs you are hiring 20 police, could it be 15 or 18 or 17 or whatever it is? Mr. CHEATHAM. If I understand the Senator, he means the difference in employing a private Capitol policeman as against employing and reimbursing the Metropolitan Police for a private. Senator MONRONEY. That is correct. Senator PROXMIRE. The chairman indicated that he felt 10 or 15 fulltime professionally trained policemen could do the job that 20 student policemen could do. Therefore to compare this give us the number of professional policemen $117,000 will buy. Mr. CHEATHAM. That will be very well, sir, and I will supply it. (The information requested follows:) ADDITIONAL METROPOLITAN POLICE IN LIEU OF ADDITIONAL CAPITOL POLICE FOR LATER CLOSING OF CAPITOL BUILDING After the committee received the Sergeant at Arms' proposal for 20 additional private Capitol police and 1 sergeant, the committee requested the Sergeant at Arms to submit costs for obtaining a lesser number of Metropolitan Police on a reimbursable basis for keeping the Capitol Building open until 10 p.m. The original request for the 21 new Capitol police positions amounts to $124,757. The salaries of 14 Metropolitan Police privates for a 7-day week would amount to‒‒‒‒ The salary of 1 Metropolitan Police sergeant for a 7-day week would amount to-- $175, 352 14,526 The total of all salaries would amount to.. Surcharge contributed by the District Government for retirement, hospital, and life insurance. 189, 878 56, 844 Total needed for reimbursement___ 246, 722 In answer to Senator Proxmire's question, the $124,757 requested for 21 new Capitol police positions would provide only about 7 Metropolitan policemen. TRAINING CAPITOL-APPOINTED POLICEMEN Mr. CHEATHAM. In view of Chairman Monroney's observations about Capitol police, I would like to point out that 81 to 82 percent of the Capitol police privates, those appointed by the Senate and the House, stay less than 1 year and some of those much less. Therefore, it is impractical and almost impossible to train Capitol-appointed policemen. As the chairman mentioned yesterday when Mr. Stewart was testifying, they ought to be sent to the FBI school, but many of them would not even get through the FBI school before their Senator or House Member changed them. Senator MONRONEY. It is the system I am complaining about. Here we have the mightiest Capitol in the world with the poorest security anywhere. You see these men at a busy traffic period looking over in the wild blue yonder instead of trying to direct traffic. You see some of them talking and visiting when crowds are pushing and fending for themselves. Also you see some of them doing a fine job. It is a very uneven type of policing, and certainly there's no esprit de corps, such as you find in even the poorest capitals of the world, where you find that their guards are sharp at attention, with a great pride in their office. Mr. CHEATHAM. And, too, Senator, if an occasional Metropolitan policeman turns out to be undesirable, he is returned to them with a request that he be replaced. It is not so simple with patronage men. Senator MONRONEY. You get a good one every time you get a Metropolitan policeman or vou send him back. Mr. CHEATHAM. That is correct, sir. Senator MONRONEY. You think $153,162 would be necessary to provide 21, but you say that the 20 we will get would be patronage police? Mr. CHEATHAM. Well, may I discuss that off the record, Mr. Chairman? Senator MONRONEY. Yes. (Discussion off the record.) PAGES Senator MONRONEY. There are two other items, one the same amount. Mr. CHEATHAM. Yes, sir. pages, the Senator MONRONEY. Increase in pages, budget estimate of $85,000. That includes both House and Senate, does it? Mr. CHEATHAM. And the Supreme Court, sir. Senator MONRONEY. And the Supreme Court pages. ! Mr. CHEATHAM. There are only four of them. PENALTY MAIL COST Then we have a penalty mail cost. Mr. CHEATHAM. I think Mr. Scott is prepared to talk on that. Mr. SCOTT. The amount in the bill and the amount of the budget estimate is the amount that the Post Office Department has certified as the cost of penalty mail for fiscal year 1964. Senator MONRONEY. How come it is up $1,789,000, a 26-percent increase? Mr. SCOTT. There was a 26-percent increase in franked mail; yes, sir. Senator MONRONEY. Have we done a study on this? As I understand it, we pay on the basis of how many franks are printed on envelopes, not on any metering of the congressional mail whatsoever, so that every franked envelope that goes through the Government Printing Office is charged to us at 5 cents, even though the girls may take hairpins home in them or we may make notes on the back of the envelopes for speeches, or the envelopes may be ruined in the process of typing. I think we ought to have some margin of error with reference to what we pay the Post Office Department. The idea that every envelope printed goes into the mail is ridiculous. Chairman HAYDEN. That is right. Mr. SCOTT. I will get a statement. Senator YOUNG. Does the cost vary with the even and odd numbered years? Mr. SCOTT. Yes, sir. The costs have changed quite a bit. The number of mailings in 1962 was 110 million; in 1963 it was 94,700,000; in 1964, for which the money in this bill is to reimburse the Post Office Department, it was 119 million. Senator MONRONEY. I do not mind paying what we owe, but I think there is a loss factor there that we should not pay if we do not have to. (The statement referred to follows:) STATEMENT PREPARED BY POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT ON PENALTY AND FRANKED The Post Office Department is now reimbursed for handling U.S. Government mail. The congressional mailings are referred to as "franked" mail, and the departments' and agencies' mailing are classified as "penalty" mail. The computations of volume and costs for franked mail are made by the Post Office Department. The major part of this mail passes through the Washington, D.C., post office. That office maintains continuous records of weight and sacks of franked mail, and these records are supplemented by tests and samples to determine the total number of pieces. Records for a representative week in each quarter are maintained by other post offices and annual reports are made by Government Printing Office of pieces mailed under penalty label for Members of Congress. The methods and procedures used in determining costs for these mails are identical to those followed for other classes of mail, based on reports of time and space utilization, volumes, density, average haul. etc. The amount or reimbursement requested is based on the volume developed for the prior fiscal year times the computed cost for that year, adjusted for any known subsequent cost increases for the estimate year. Reimbursement of the Post Office Department is made by an annual appropriation in the legislative appropriation act. Each of the departments and agencies of the Government pays the Post Office Department for the equivalent amount of postage on their mailings out of funds appropriated to them. The payments are made quarterly based on the programs and operations for the individual agencies. The amounts are credited to postal revenues so that these mailings are not a part of the postal deficit. The method used in computing the amount due from each department or agency for postage on their mail depends on the circumstances attendant to each organization. Some base payments on management records such as checks issued. Others use sampling techniques, all in accord with instructions from the Post Office Department. No elaborate data or recordkeeping is required. SALARIES OF FOREMAN AND SKILLED LABORERS Senator MONRONEY. Mr. Duke, the Sergeant at Arms, has written to me recommending that the salary of the foreman of skilled laborers and two skilled laborers receive an increase in compensation. The total cost would be $1,508 per annum. I will insert the letter in the record and, Mr. Cheatham, you may proceed to explain this recommendation to the committee. (The letter referred to follows:) U.S. SENATE, OFFICE OF THE SERGEANT AT ARMS, Hon. A. S. MIKE MONRONEY, Chairman, Subcommittee on Legislative Branch Appropriations, Committee on Appropriations, U.S. Senate, Washington, D.C. DEAR MR. CHAIRMAN: There are serious inequities in the compensation of three positions under my office which I hope your committee will correct in the current legislative appropriation bill. One is entitled "Foreman of skilled laborers," and the other two are "Skilled laborers." The foreman receives a per annum salary of $2,100 basic and $5,756 Each of the others receives $1,920 basic and $5,284 gross. Other Government agencies pay considerably more for the same type of work. In a military facility these places are graded as wage board 7 which, in this area, has a starting salary for a 44-hour week of $6,315, and at the end of the first 6 months is increased to $6,650, with a second increase at the end of the next 18 months to $6,985. House employees rendering identical services also receive more than $1,000 in excess of these Senate employees. I strongly recommend each of the three men be increased as follows: Language to be inserted in the legislative appropriation bill, 1966, to effect these recommended increases is suggested as follows: Provided, That, effective July 1, 1965, the basic per annum compensation of the foreman of skilled laborers shall be $2,340 in lieu of $2,100; and the basic per annum compensation of two skilled laborers shall be $2,100 in lieu of $1,920. With kind regards. Sincerely, (Discussion off the record.) SUBCOMMITTEE RECESS JOSEPH C. DUKE, Senator MONRONEY. The subcommittee will stand in recess until 10 o'clock Thursday morning. (Whereupon, at 6:30 p.m., Tuesday, June 15, 1965, the hearings were recessed, to reconvene at 10 a.m., on Thursday, June 17, 1965.) |