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most Committees on this subject is to do what some Rev. Dr. HUNTINGTON, of Massachusetts. Mr. one spoke of here yesterday; that is, make a com- President, inasmuch as I did not consume the ten promise; leave out certain hymns and put in certain minutes allotted to me by the wise rule of this others, leaving out certain hymns which have what House, I venture to avail myself of my privilege of they consider objectionable expressions. Now, I think speaking twice in the same debate, to use a few that this Churcb will have learned one thing: that moments in which to puncture the argument of the whatever else you may say of the benefit of compro- Deputy from Wisconsin. mises, they are paralyzing; they have the effect of To the latter part of this argument I have nothing preventing people from doing anything. Of to say. I remember well hearing it three years ago all other things, a hymn needs to be free; it in Baltimore, and being struck by its eloquence ; needs to express the heart and life and emotions but I submit that this question is not upon the and affections of the people; and hymns that are merits of the collection, but upon another point built up, and hymnals that are constructed on a entirely. And I shall address myself wholly to his principle of compromise, never can be a finality argument in regard to the legal point. It is not in a free Church.

new to me. It was urged upon me in my own I want, now, to say another word. There is some- Diocese by a clergyman who was using in his thing very remarkable about this Hymnal that we Church “Hymns Ancient and Modern;" and he have before us, and I never have seen the attention justified himself to me by saying that the Hymnal was of the people called to it. It consists of some five only in force by a joint resolution. Now I propose hundred hymns, and in that Hymnal there are actu- to meet that point fairly and squarely, and I meet it ally, though there are five hundred of them, only by calling the attention of the ingenious Deputy thirty-nine written by American writers and of from Wisconsin to the fact that we sing hymns in those thirty-nine hymns there are only ten written this Church only by permission; and the joint resoby men who were churchmen, and of those lution undertakes to say what hymns we are perten churchmen who wrote those hymus mitted to sing. Now, sir, I ask the Deputy from there are only three living, and two of Wisconsin, who has denied that joint resolutions those wrote translations. In other words, have the weight of law, whether à Rubric has the at this present moment in the American Church, force of law. there is only one man living who has written a Rev. Dr. DE KOVEN, of Wisconsin. Certainly. hymn that is allowed to be used in our Hymnal, Rev. Dr. HUNTINGTON, of Massachusetts. Cerand this is a name whicb I can mention to the honor

tainly, he says. Now I read from one Rubric, and and reverence of all of us, the Rev. Dr. Muhlen

I might read from others, in the Book of Common berg, of St. Luke's Hospital. So I say that that dis

Prayer; I read from the Rubric in the Holy Comtinguished gentleman stands on a solitary eminence,

munion, where it is most fit that it should stand: all alone in the icy, cold fact that he is the solitary

“Here shall be sung a hymn or part of a hymn, American clergyman who has written a hymn for

from the selection for the fasts and feasts." the American Church to sing.

I submit that if a joint resolution upon this subject Look into these 520 hymns, and what do you find ? has no force, then this Church is put in the singularly You will find no less than 202 hymns that have been

false and absurd position of enjoining something written by writers who have lived since the year that cannot be done. 1800 in England or Scotland, and of these 202 hymns 74 are written by living English writers, and the

Now, sir, I do not insist particularly upon the

word “lawfully," in my resolution. If it will aid reason is this : that the Church of England, bound as she is by the State, has nevertheless permitted

the gentleman from Wisconsin in voting for it, I

will very cheerfully strike it out. All I ask for that free singing and free hymn-writing: I have an resolution is that it shall have the same force as illustration of it, which was fortunately brought to my notice within the past two years.

that injunction in regard to light and unseemly When the

music. Does the gentleman wish to consider that that Church of England established that day of intercession for missionary purposes (a plan which we

is an open question !

Rev. Dr. DE KOVEN, of Wisconsin. That has have adopted in this country), they wanted hymns

come down to us as a Canon. to sing, and the Rev. F. J. Stone, who wrote that Rev. Dr. HUNTINGTON, of Massachusetts. But beautiful hymn which we sang at the opening of the Convention, “The Church's one foundation is Jesus

as it has stood in-the Prayer-Book, it has stood on the Christ, our Lord,” knew that there was a chance for

force of a joint resolution.

Rev. Dr. DE KOVEN, of Wisconsin. Still, I hymns, and so he wrote two for the day of intercession, two grand hymns. A clergyman of the

think that everybody has seen that it had not the

force of law, and, consequently, the Bishops, feelChurch of England knows, and layman of the Church of England knows, that

ing that, have sent it down to us this time as a Canon,

so as to give it the force of law. if God the Holy Ghost has given him the

Rev. Dr. HUNTINGTON, of Massachusetts. Be power to write a hymn and to sing it, there is a chance that it will be borne up to heaven upon the

that as it may--and there is some force in the re

mark of the Deputy from Wisconsin-my main tide of the worship of the Church; and an American knows that he has not the slightest chance. The

argument is irrefragable, that in our Rubrics the only chance he has is the brief immortality which

Church requires the singing of hymns, and in her may come in the columns of some of our admirable

Hymnal she sets forth such hymns as may be sung,

and no others. Church papers; and so this way of making hymns is Rev. Dr. RUDDER, of Pennsylvania. I am very simply an interdict upon hymnology. It is saying to the American Church, “ Do not let your hearts go

sorry, Mr. President, to be obliged to address my

self, even in a few words, to this House, for, in the forth to God in hymns; we will borrow from England and Scotland.”

first place, I am not in a fit physical condition to

do so; and, in the next place, supposed that I I have not anything to say, except that I want to

was under bonds to my reverend friend from Long make my protest against tħese bonds and shackles and fetters.

Island to keep my mouth shut on this subject.
I go for freedom, because, in the

A resolution comes down as in the nature of a joint words of Holy David, the Church of God is for ever

resolution from the House of Bishops, which you have swelling in its heart with its word, and year after year it wants to burst forth with "sing unto the

heard read. I propose to offer in this House an Lord”-not the hymns that we borrow, but “sing

amendment taking away what I fear from the charunto the Lord a new song."

acter of that resolution may be considered to be the quality of finality in this Hymnal. That resolu


ago, that

tion was accepted, and now comes down to this lower, order, or take up the order and complete it, and then House for action. There is every reason, I think, resume the question of the Hymnal. why this Hymnal should not be accepted as a finali- Rev. Dr. BEERS, of Albany. I suggest that, as ty by the Church; and my Rev. brother, the Deputy there are three other nominations besides that for from Massachusetts, will probably be surprised to the Episcopate to China to come before the House, learn that, in offering his amendment, he is going the consideration of the China Bishop be postponed, far beyond the intention or the desire of the Com- and fixed for the same times that the other cases are mittee on the Hymnal in the other House, or the to be considered. House of Bishops itself.

Mr. OTIS, of Illinois. I move that they all be There are several general reasons against making fixed for four o'clock this afternoon. this book a finality. There are three ways in which The PRESIDENT. It is moved that the order of a Hymnal may be endeavored to be reached. One the day be postponed until four o'clock this afteris that adopted in the English Church; another is a noon, and that at the same time the other messages distinctly tentative one, such as I supposed we were from the House of Bishops, nominating Missionary pursuing here; and the third is that of dumb ac- Bishops, be taken up. quiescence and acceptance, and this I take it to be Rev. Dr. HALL, of Long Island. Are we obliged the method in fact which the Rev. Deputy from to go into secret session on these nominations Massachusetts professes that we should adopt or ac- [“ Yes, yes. "'] Would it not be more convenient to cept in this case.

have it at a time when our friends would not It is commonly supposed in this country that the have to be turned out ? ["Oh, no."] allowing of all hymns to be sung in the English The motion of Mr. Otis was agreed to. Church is a necessity forced upon that Church by

THE HYMNAL. reason of the difficulty of reaching any distinct action by that Church on this subject, or any other. The PRESIDENT. The matter of the Hymnal is If any one supposes that this is the fact, I would

now before the House. simply refer him to so high an authority as Sir Rev. Dr. BENEDICT, of Georgia. Mr. PresiRoundell Palmer, who maintains-taking precisely, dent, I appear in a very embarrassing position as a I think, the view of the Reverend Deputy from Wis- kind of champion for a child which seems to be consin-that it is the best condition of things. I will abandoned by those who brought it into being. I not enlarge upon this point. I only wish to show that

hold in my hand the book adopted three years ago there are strong reasons why no Hymnal should be by an almost unanimous vote of this House, and accepted as final, and forced by law upon the use of adopted, I maintain, as finality; for the the Church.

Reverend Deputy from Wisconsin moved, three The other method is the distinctly tentative one,


it · be adopted provisionand I supposed we had been pursuing, and were un- ally until the next General Convention, and that derstood to be pursuing, this method in this Church. motion was voted down; consequently this book was It is the view, I believe, of the whole of the Com- intended to be final, as much as the action of a Genmittee on the Hymnal ; it is the view of the House eral Convention can bind the Church in future. Of of Bishops, if I am not mistaken.

course if is possible for any General Convention to I said that the Deputy from Massachusetts went revoke the action of a previous Convention; but as beyond the whole Committee on Hymnal and be- far as we could do it, by a vote all but unanimous, yond the Upper House. I say, on good authority, this is the child of the last General Convention, that the resolution of that House, so far as it seems and is the Hymnal of the Church [holding up to have any declaration of finality in this matter, the Hymnal of 1871), with the single exception was passed under two distinct influences in that

that on page 153 of that Journal we allowed and inUpper House. First of all, it is a resolution of de- structed the Committee to leave out eleven spair. They entered upon a most difficult work.

specified hymns, gave them permission to insert They found themselves criticised on all hands, and several, not specifying how many, although they they simply submit for themselves, "we are unwill- read the first lines of thirty-one, I believe ; and ing to enter any further on this work; if you are to then the Committee were allowed to correct gramhave it prosecuted still more, you must appoint an- matical inaccuracies and rhetorical blemishes. other committee for it.” That was the idea in the

This is absolutely all. I ask to be corrected if I am passage of their resolution. Then came

not in the right position. I ask it for this reason : condly the question of the royalty. You will I have been told by one or two members of this remember that this Convention granted a royalty to certain publishers in the matter of the Hymnal. waiting two years and a half in all humility, supThis royalty action is now pleaded in bar of any posing that the Committee would find out their erfurther revision of the Hymnal. But I do think

ror and retract it, I at last, under my signature, the matter of the Hymnal of this Church one of too came out and published my statement in the Misgreat importance to be stopped by any such sionary Record of Charleston, and sent it to every considerations those which I have

member of that Committee, personally, hoping that tioned. I believe that the Church

only right, proper

I trust I may Book as something final to be bound solely to not be seeming to reflect upon the conduct of this its use, and, therefore, I trust that this House will Committee more than is absolutely necessary. think more and think much before they do anything Now as to this matter of finality, I have but to that will give countenance to that idea, by any res- refer to one thing. Something has been read fromolution of their going, as I have said, beyond the the remarks of Rev. Dr. Howe, who, at the last Cone wish, or the desire, or the expectation, of the vention, introduced the report on the Hymnal. He Hymnal Committee themselves, and make this book

proposed that the Hymnal Committee should be something that we are obliged to use.

continued to this the next General Convention ; but ELECTION OE MISSIONARY BISHOPS.

he stated afterward that the purpose was simply to

correct inaccuracies and blemishes, and nothThe PRESIDENT. The Chair would remind the ing

More than that, it House that there was an order of the day appointed seventh or the ninth day of the session, I think, for twelve o'clock-the election of a Missionary that he said this, and the action that I read from Bishop to China. The House will determine whether was on the sixteenth day of the session, page 153 of to go on with the present matter and postpone that the Journal of the last General Convention, Re






on the




member that this was after a specified Tuesday, on gentleman from Long Island said this morning. The which, at twelve o'clock, the liberty was denied changes in the hymn which was read by the Deputy members of the Convention to suggest any from Central Pennsylvania could not have been further alterations or improvements in the made by mere mistake. The variations in the very Hymnal. It is all fresh in the

first hymn in this book could not possibly have been ory of the members of the last Convention. brought about by mistake-one whole stanza omitI was called upon to present my suggestions in ted ; two stanzas put in ; the word “God” changed writing, and I did it before that day to the Chair- to “Christ;" and now this Committee, in their last

On that Tuesday the matter ended. I think final act of agreement, propose to change the last I am right. On the sixteenth day of the session line of the first verse to an entirely different readDr. Howe brought in the report of the Joint Com- ing. I hope the Committee will be discharged, or mittee on the Hymnal, and he asked liberty to omit we shall have more revisions flying in upon us. eleven hymns, to insert several, and stated that The PRESIDENT. The gentleman's time is up. the work had disclosed some literary blemishes and Rev. Dr. HALL, of Long Island. I hope he will errors of typography and so on. The Committee be allowed to be heard further. He has this matter recommended the adoption of the following reso- very much at heart. He feels that there is someJution :

thing to be said, and I think the Committee desires "Resolved (the House of Bishops concurring), That him to have all the time he wants. He ought certhis report be adopted, and the Committee be in- tainly to have five or ten minutes more. structed to amend the Hymnal accordingly."

Rev. Dr. ADAMS, of Wisconsin. I understand he Rev. Dr. HALL, of Long Island. Will the gentle- is here to prove that there have been fifteen hundred man read also from the 76th page, in the message changes unauthorizedly made, and I move that he from the House of Bishops, the resolution that the have sufficient time. I move that he have half an Committee on Hymnal should be continued? With ; hour for that purpose. that message we concurred.

The motion was not agreed to. Rev. Dr. BENEDICT, of Georgia. This was on

Mr. OTIS, of Illinois. I move that the gentlethe ninth day of the session.

man from Georgia have ten minutes more. * Resolved, that the Committee on the Hymnody

The motion was agreed to. of the Church shall be continued, with instructions

Rev. Dr. BENEDICT, of Georgia. I will briefly to make such alterations in the text of the Hymnal

call the attention of the Convention to the changes now adopted, as may be needed in order to secure

wrought in the very first hymn of the Hymnal, and accuracy and literary completeness.”

here I will also say that it is alınost precisely in the I am willing to grant all that. That is just what revision as in the Hymnal printed two and a half I stated before. Now to confirm my position I

years ago.

As I remarked two weeks ago, the orturn to another place. On page 156 of the Journal

der of the hymns has been changed, and of the last Convention we had a Joint Committee I shall have to read from hymn No. 6, instead of conference in regard to the matter of the

of hymn No. 1. For some

reason or other, royalty. It seems that Committee reported to both in order to compress, as the Committee say, certain

I suppose to accommodate some theory of music, or Houses; and while we were in consideration of it, a message came down from the House of Bishops dif- matters, this Hymınal begins, as the Gospel begins, fering from the exact resolution reported in the

with the preparation for the First Advent. The House of Deputies by only one word, and I think hymnal printed begins with the Last Judgment. that that can hardly be interpreted to have much

I do not know how it is that this change has been weight:

brought about. I will read from the Hymnal adopted "Resolved, that this Hymnal, when finally cor

by the Convention : rected by the Committee thereon, shall be free to

“Lo ! He comes in clouds descending, be printed and published by all responsible publish

Once for favored sinners slain ; ers.

Thousand thousand saints attending They were to correct it only on points of accura

Swell the triumph of His train : cy and the removal of certain literary blemishes.

Alleluia ! On page 156, the same resolution, reported from the

Christ appears on earth again." same Joint Committee, has one word that I think is excedingly significant:

“Every eye shall now behold Him “ Resolver (the House of Clerical and Lay Depu

Robed in dreadful majesty ; ties concurring), That the Hymnal, now finally cor- They who set at naught and sold Him, rected by the Committee thereon, shall be free to

Pierced and nail'd Him to the tree, be printed and published by all responsible publish

Deeply wailing, ers.

Shall the true Messiah see." Now I do not know but I think that the difference between “when” and “now” was a mere mistake

Here comes the change : of a word expressing the idea of the whole Joint

“Those dear tokens of his Passion Comunittee and of the Convention.

Still his dazzling body bears ; Now I want to adduce with all due respect certain

Cause of endless exultation plain words:

To his ransomed worshippers ; " It is hereby certified—”

With what rapture This I read from the third page of the Hymnal,

Gaze we on those glorious scars !” revised edition; it is the same also in the Hymnal that has been published.

Then you skip two stanzas and come to : “ It is hereby certified that this is a true and accurate edition of the Hymnal thus adopted.”.

“Yea, amen, let all adore Thee, A strong certificate ! When I allowed myself,

High on Thine eternal throne ;

Saviour, take the power and glory ; two weeks ago, to be limited to five minutes, I barely

Claim the kingdoms for Thine own : touched upon the points of difference. I would be willing, if it were necessary, as I said theu, to stand

O come quickly! here one hour and read from this published book,

Alleluia ! Amen!” hymns that cannot, by any possibility, be said to be Now, permit me to say that there are fifty-seven different from those adopted in the Hymnal of the hymns in this book adopted by the Convention Convention on the ground of mere mistake, as the which are reproduced in this new book with one or


more verses added, or one or more verses left out, a-half. They have dropped out fourteen hymns, I and, in one case, seven stanzas left out. Most of think, and in their places inserted other hymns. these hymns as they stand in the book printed, with some of them new, some of them old Prayer-Book only four or five exceptions, stund precisely so in hymns or psalms. They have, then, added at the this book that is now called the revised Hymnal. end eleven hymns; "Rock of Ages” is printed Twenty-nine hymns in this book differ by variations twice ; “Guide me, 0 Thou Great Jehovah," is in words that exceed one line ; eight only printed twice ; and they propose to print twice the are corrected this book.

There are,

hymn “Jesus, Saviour of my Soul,” printed in one then, a large number of hymns, I think something place "Jesus, Lover of my Soul." like seventy, printed in this book, which differ from I really think that the adoption of this Hymna! the book adopted, by changes of words less than a will cause almost all congregations who have used line. I have not time to read them-I would be per- the other the necessity of abandoning those books fectly willing to do it if time allowed. Most of and purchasing this alone. Perhaps it will help the these are reproduced in this Hymnal.

royalty, and it may be that that is a consideration, Now, the point I make is simply this, and I do it but I think it is hardly the thing for the congregain all modesty ; I do it, as I think, as simply a de- tions themselves. fender of the right, a defender of the dignity and Mr. LIVINGSTON, of New York. Mr. President: authority of this House ; when a committed trust

I desire to call attention to a few inaccuracies in is assigned to any body of gentleman, is it not prop- the proposed Hymnal, and I do it for the purpose of erly to be expected that it will be executed strictly

illustrating the propriety of the argument of referaccording to the letter ? Consequently when we ring back the proposed Hymnal to the Committee find in the report presented to us all this slurred

who have revised it, and indeed the necessity of that over, as if it were simply a mistake, or, as in one

The alterations that are suggested place, a statement that the Committee ask leave to

upon the piece of acknowledge

the Com

paper which two mistakes that have been

mittee have submitted to us as having been made, because for reasons partly personal, and

made to the Hymnal, have not in all cases been partly from the distance which separated

made. There are slight inaccuracies still. As the them, they could not state explicitly, Convention is supposed to act on these proposed etc. Is it quite the thing for that Committee to

changes, it should act advisedly, and therefore it slide over such deviations, not mistakes—such pur- seems to me that the resolution proposed by the posed and designed deviations as I have referred to ? Committee itself should be put in such form that, I think it is a very important thing that this Hymnal should not certainly be made a finality. I

instead of being discharged, the Committee should

be continued in order to make the changes actually will at the proper time offer a resolution to this

which are reported on this sheet of paper as having effect.

been made. “Resolved, That the Hymnal be published in ac- Rev. Dr. HALL, of Long Island. Allow me to cordance with the resolution on page 153 of the say that the Committee has been discharged by the Journal of 1871, and that this instruction be carried

House of Bishops, and there is only in this House out by a special committee of two, one clergyman and one layman."

one member of it, and he is a layman. You will

have to make a new committee. I have now to say in regard to this Revised Mr. LIVINGSTON, of New York. It seems to Hymnal that comes before us, we have here in connection with this revised Hymnal about seventy

me that it is eminently proper that the gentlemen

who have heretofore acted on this Committee changes, as the Committee themselves say, from should act again. If we have this printed book. They say in some places they mittee,

shall have

Hymnal have maile substitutions. By what authority is Perhaps every one in this House would suggest that a mistake. By what authority do they drop amendments that he could make to one of the five from the Hymnal of 1871 and insert in this new

hundred hymns, and so we should have at least two Hymnal : I do not quite understand it.

hundred or three hundred alterations. You must Rev. Dr. HALL, of Long Island. The Conven- adopt something which in the opinion of a wise and tion has nothing to do with the revised Hymnal sensible committee is about right. Therefore, until it is adopted.

adopting the suggestion of the gentleman from Long Rev. Dr. BENEDICT, of Georgia. Then I say Island, at the proper time I shall move that the matter that I object to the adoption of this Hymnal, which be referred back to the Committee to make such alwill cause hundreds of congregations who have terations as they have designed to make and no others, adopted the Hymnal agreed to in 1871 very consider- and that the vacancies in the Committee be filled up. able inconvenience. For instance, if you will turn Now, to illustrate: In hymn No. 87 it is proposed to the 430th hymn of the Ilymnal that is revised or to change “now" for once," and

for adopted--I care not which-you will find that "yes.” That has already been done, I find, so that that hymn which is in the Ilymnal printed, it is a mere inaccuracy in the original print. So it is an entirely different hymn, almost in no respect is with the changes in Nos. 97 and 98. In hymn like that adopted, except in the general No. 103 the letter "b" is to be dropped from “Halcurrent of thought and in the rhyme; lelujah,” but that is insufficient, because the "j" you will find that they have changed all that again should also be converted into an “i.” In hymn No. in the Hyınnal adopted; but the very next hymn, the 176, the word “triumphant" should be "and tri431st hymn, "Round the Lord in glory seated," umph,” and also “ascents of heaven” should be they have allowed to remain just as it is. There substituted for “ dizzy steep of heaven"; but in are many cases of this sort, where one hymn fol- the revised book I find that it is printed “ascent," lows another, where one hymn conformns to the in the singular, instead of “ascents.' Hymnal adopted three years ago, and the next In Hymn 205 a verse is actually ommitted and no hymn following, or a few hymns following, differs note is taken of it in the alterations. I will not take in such important respects as the first hymn differs

up time.

There are at least twenty alterations as I have shown you.

which are not yet noted and should be.' This is all I Now this Hymnal that is reported to us as a re. have to say on that point. vised edition has twenty-five hymns in it-I think The learned and eloquent Deputy from Wisconsin they propose to make it twenty-six or twenty-seven has repeated a legal proposition which, if I remem--which are not in the Hymnal that has been used ber aright, he and I once contested a few years ago, in many congregations for two years or two and that a resolution adopted by the two Houses of the


a new new



" yet




General Convention is not law for the clergy. I end of time, just as they have been growing in our assure the gentleman-and I think I shall be sus- collection for the last three thousand five tained by the parliamentary members of this hundred years. The Psalms from 90 to 100 are attribHouse-that a resolution is a law, and that the Presbyters at least, if not the laymen, of the Church,

uted to Moses. Lightfoot says he wrote Psalm 98 in |

Egypt. That gives us a date of one thousand five are obliged to obey the laws of the Church. It is hundred years before Christ. Then, if we look at an error which has crept among the Presbyters, and the Psalms further on, we shall see that the Psalm it brought up

years ago in

commencing with the words, discussing a question whether the resolution, adopted by the General Convention in 1868,

“By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down,” relating to Ritual,

law of the

brings us to the year 518 B.C., when the Temple serChurch. I remember that the question was vice was restored. In the interval, we find a Psalm discussed in Congress some years ago whether or composed on the ascension of the Ark from the not a resolution of the Senate and House of Repre- | house of Obededom to Mount Zion, under David, sentatives was a law. If I mistake not-and if I

about the year 1010 B.C. I mention these as illustraam I shall be corrected by a gentleman better in- tions of how the sacred poetry of the Hebrews grew. formed-they appointed a committee, and the two Now let us come down to our own Church and our Houses adopted the conclusion of that

: own time. We have in the old Prayer-Book, I think, committee that the action of the two Houses,

about 32 hymns first set forth by the General Conwhether by resolution or by enactment, was the vention and authorized to be used in the churches, will of the two Houses in Congress assembled We decided that that collection was not a finality, and must be obeyed. It may be that as a resolution for we increased the number to 212. Then again, of this House does not provide a penalty for its vio- in still later times, and very near the present, we lation, a Presbyter may not be subject to punishment for the disobeying of a resolution, but if he

authorized, I think, in 1865, 60 additional hymns,

making the number about 270. Then, at the last desires to obey the General Convention or any enact- General Convention, we put forth this Hymnal, ment of the General Convention, he is to obey a res- increasing the number to over 500 hymns. olution as well as a Canon.

There are many of these hymns in the Hymnal Rev. Dr. ANDERSON, of Virginia. Mr. Presi- that I think are weak and unnecessary, and that this dent, with regard to this question of finality it is Committee should sit perpetually, should be a connot competent for this House to make a finality on tinuous committee, should revise the hymns and any such subject. We cannot bind future Conven- suggest what should be dropped, and continue to tions. They may take it up hereafter, and all our enrich the Hymnal with all the additions that may doings hitherto will be liable to be reconsidered. be made in the way of sacred poetry from time to I think that point therefore is disposed of.

time, and all the corrections that may be necessary, The next point is in regard to the various criti- I hope that the same Committee will be continued, cisms that have been passed on this book. There the vacancies being filled in it. have been some able criticisms that I have read This is all I have to say as the reason why I shall with great interest from many of my brethren ; but vote against this Hymnal being a finality. I say here that the larger part of them has been Mr. TAYLOR, of Virginia. Mr. President, I do made by theological students and women and boys, ! not rise to (liscuss the Hymnal, and it would be very and that consider them of no value.

unnecessary after the remarks of my friend from So likewise about this being a thankless office. I Wisconsin; but I rise to call the attention of this with many of my clerical and lay friends here House to a proposition announced by that learned thank the Committee for their work in this matter. and distinguished gentleman, whom we all hold It is not a thankless work by any manner of means, , in so much respect, and that is that a joint quite the reverse.

resolution of the two Houses has not the efSo likewise in regard to these corrections. I am fect of law. Now, sir, I venture to offer my aware that they may be made, but that we are to small contribution by way of opinion in this House, wait until we get a resolution of all these questions i and in doing this I feel that I am supported by seveis impossible. We shall never have a Hymnal at all ral other gentlemen of the legal profession. I think if we do that. I do not expect to have my views that a joint resolution of the two Houses bas the carried out, but I have exainined this matter with force of law, as much so as a Canon : and, if I revery great care, and I am prepared to say, from my member rightly, one of the most important acts of knowledge and consulting with a great number of the Congress of the United States, which people, that I believe this book to be the best extant,


important bearing upon and I do not believe there are five men in this House the destiny of

this country than any who can get up and say that they can put their hand other in my time,

passed by joint on any one book equal to this which is now submit- resolution. I mean the admission of Texas into this ted to our consideration. Therefore, I think all we Union. It is certainly a novel proposition to me have to do now is to authorize the use of this book, that a joint resolution of the two flouses cannot and prohibit, by Canon, the use of all books not au- ' have the force of law. I think it is important that thorized by this Church. That seems to me quite this question should be met, so that we may undersufficient. As to the errors which have been pointed stand that when we again pass a joint resolution we out by the gentleman from New York, I think it is mean thereby to bind all those who come within the a very reasonable proposition that they should be power of the law of this body, corrected, and I doubt not the Committee will con- In reference to the Hymnal and the question of sent to take that matter in hand, and to make those finality, I do not think there is anything final in this few corrections, and we can pass upon them, if it is world until the final judgment. We certainly have done by that authority, before this Convention ad- no right to bind future conventions. But I suppose journs.

the only question here is this, whether we shall Mr. CORNWALL, of Kentucky. Mr. President, continue the Joint Commission with a view of I rise to say that I shall not support this Hymnal as amending from time to time our Hymnal. I do hope a finality; the reasons I need not adduce, for they that the Church is wiser than that, and that the very have already been given. The fact of the many in- resolutions sent down by the House of Bishops will accuracies which have been stated is quite sufll- be adopted. I cannot imagine what else we can do, cient.

if we do anything at all. I believe our hymns will continue to grow to the On the subject of the joint resolutions my learned




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