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of them were from the committee, but I think it might have been in the nature of an investigation or vacation. I don't know.

The WITNESS. A group went?
Mr. DICKINSON. Four or five.

Mr. Hays. May I interrupt there? Was this testimony he bought 20 tickets for Miami to New York?

Mr. DickinSON. A block of tickets.

The WITNESS. I purchased a block of tickets. They were different

Mr. Hays. Different destinations? The Witness. New York to Miami, and Washington to Miami. There was a block of tickets.

Mr. DICKINSON. You said 20 to 30 and you didn't know how many. The WITNESS. That is right.

Mr. DICKINSON. As I recall your testimony, some were Washington to Miami.

The WITNESS. Yes; that is right.

Mr. DICKINSON. Some from Washington to New York to Miami, and some just New York to Miami?

The WITNESS. That is right.

Mr. DICKINSON. They all terminated in Miami and got back here somehow?

The WITNESS. That is right.

Mr. DICKINSON. You don't know the ultimate use they were all put to but you knew some were used and without going into that you said he directed you to put five specific names on all the tickets?

The WITNESS. That is right. Any of the names I put there were always at the specific direction of Mr. Powell.

Mr. Dickinson. Were there other occasions when you bought what you referred to as blocks of tickets, 10, 20, 30?

The WITNESS. No, sir. That was the only time, that one time.

Mr. DICKINSON. You don't remember any particular occasion for this purchase? The WITNESS. No. I was directed to make the purchase.

. Mr. DICKINSON. As far as you know there was no need on the committee for this particular number of tickets at this particular time?

The WITNESS. I don't recall any, sir.
Mr. DICKINSON. I have no further questions.
Mr. O'CONNOR. I would like to follow up.

Mr. Hays. Gentlemen, we have to get this over. I want you to move this along. I have to leave at 5:45 and so does Mr. Devine. There is no point in dragging this on.

Mr. DEVINE. Did I understand you correctly that the last time you have physically seen Mrs. Powell was in 1959?

The WITNESS. That is right.
Mr. DEVINE. Seven years ago?
The WITNESS. That is right.
Mr. DEVINE. That is all.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. On July 30, 1965, there was a group consisting of Representative Powell, Stone, Swann, Lewis, Himes, and Clark that were on the same plane from the District of Columbia to Miami?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you recall that trip?
A. No; I don't, sir. July of 1965?
Q. July 30, 1965.
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you ever make a trip yourself with that group of people?
A. No.
Mr. O'CONNOR. I have no further questions.
Mr. Hays. Thank you, Mr. Stone.
Mr. DICKINSON. Thank you.
Mr. O'CONNOR. May Mr. Stone be excused from the subpena?
Mr. Hays. Absolutely.
The WITNESS. Happy New Year, gentlemen.
Mr. Hays. Same to you, sir.
(Witness excused.)

Mr. O'CONNOR. We have one more item of business so far as the record is concerned, Mr. Chairman, and that is what was brought up before the luncheon recess, the number of the employees of the com- . mittee who had been contacted.

I would like to have Mr. Gray resume the stand to testify concerning that.

ROBERT E. GRAY having been previously duly sworn, was examined and testified further as follows:

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Under your direction, Mr. Gray, was an investigation conducted as to the Members whose names appeared on the payroll of the standing Committee on Education and Labor and on the Ad Hoc Committee No. 7 on Poverty of the Committee on Education and Labor?

A. Yes.

Q. During the period January 3, 1965, to September 30, 1965, how many names appeared on that payroll?

A. Eighty-three.
Q. Were all 83 persons contacted ?

A. No, sir. Sixty-nine were contacted-well, they were all contacted, or accounted for I should say.

Q. Would you explain to the committee how they were contacted or accounted for?

A. Sixty-nine were either contacted or accounted for by the investigators. One person was deceased. Thirteen were subpenaed, ten of whom appeared and three did not appear but we are satisfied that they exist.

Q. Who are the three that did not appear?
A. Miss Corrinne Huff, Cleomine B. Lewis, and James F. McCarthy.
Q. That accounts for all the names that were on the payroll?
A. Yes.

Mr. Hays. Perhaps the record should show that Mr. McCarthy is in the hospital and has been during the time of these hearings.

Mr. O'CONNOR. Yes.
I have no further questions.
Mr. Hays. That is all.
(Committee adjourned at 2:50 p.m. December 30, 1966.)

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