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(The above-referred-to documents were marked "Derrickson Exhibit 1” and received in evidence.)

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Mr. Derrickson, can you account for the use of those tickets by someone else? Did you know whether your name was being used at the time that travel was being made?

A. No, I did not. I allowed use of the card in each case by direction of the chairman. I assumed that whoever purchased tickets

with that card would—the traveler would be noted, but I just assumed that, I don't know.

Q. You didn't know they were using your name in connection with the travel?

A. No, I did not. I have never seen an airline bill that came to the committee, I don't handle that, so I didn't know that my, that others traveled, I didn't know who traveled. I assumed it was Odell Clark who traveled.

Q. Have you been cognizant of a practice among the committee staff of purchasing airline tickets in other people's name for their own travel or for the travel of someone else?

A. No. I have been under the impression that the only people who had airline tickets other than the chairman and the subcommittee chairman were Mrs. Dargans, the chief clerk, Chuck Stone, the special assistant, and myself. And that these airline credit cards held by the chief clerk, Mr. Stone and myself were used by staff members whenever they traveled at the instruction of the chairman.

Q. Whenever you instructed a staff member to travel or approved bis travel on committee business?

A. I never instructed anyone to travel, or approved it. I only allowed the ticket to be used when I was directed to give another staff my ticket to purchase airline tickets.

Q. May I ask whether or not an authorization was signed by you whenever your ticket was being used before the ticket was purchased?

A. No, it was not. . Mr. O'CONNOR. I have no further questions. Mr. Hays. Mr. Waggonner? Mr. WAGGONNER. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Derrickson, you have stated earlier that on occasion you did make loan of the credit card in your name to Mr. Clark.

The WITNESS. That is right. Mr. WAGGONNER. Was this a frequent occurrence or was it an infrequent one. Could you estimate the number of occasions in the 89th Congress that this might have occurred ?

The WITNESS. I would say it was from time to time. I would estimate that it might have been 10 or 20 times. I do not recall.

Mr. WAGGONNER. No further questions, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. O'CONNOR. Was this card you had a “Q” card that anybody could use?

The WITNESS. Yes, sir, it was a "Q” card. Mr. Hays. Just a minute, now. I am not sure that statement ought to stand in the record. The person to whom a “Q” card is issued can use it to buy tickets for anyone. I am not sure how loose or how strict the airline is that anybody can use a “Q” card in somebody else's name. I think sometimes the airlines make the person identify themselves. Sometimes they do not. That is what I have heard. So in this case, however, they did use your “Q” card?

The WITNESS. They used my “Q” card. Mr. Hays. The airline obviously required no identification from them?

The WITNESS. Obviously.
Mr. O'CONNOR. His name was signed to the ticket.

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The WITNESS. It was my impression always that when these cards are used that the traveler's name appeared somewhere, but I did not know and I have not seen the airline bills.

Mr. O'CONNOR. I have no further questions.
Mr. Hays. Mr. Nedzi?
Mr. NEDZI. I have no questions.

Mr. Hays. Are there any further questions? If not, thank you, Mr. Derrickson, you are excused.

(Witness excused.)

Mr. TAYLER. Mr. Chairman, at this point in the record I would offer the deposition of Michael Schwartz to be inserted in the record at this point.

Mr. Hays. Without objection, it is so ordered. (The deposition follows:)

DEPOSITION OF MICHAEL SCHWARTZ [Given on the 16th day of December 1966 in H-329, U.S. Capitol, before C. William Tayler, special counsel to the Committee on House Administration, and Irene D. Stolman, notary public for the District of Columbia:)

Q. Will you state your full name for the record?
A. Michael Schwartz.
Q. What is your address?
A. 618 H Street, S.W., Apartment 204, Washington, D.C.
Q. What is your occupation?
A. A counsel for the Committee on Education and Labor.
Q. Where are you admitted to practice law, Mr. Schwartz?
A. State of Florida.
Q. And when were you admitted there?
A. Late in 1964.
Q. What is your present employment?

A. Associate counsel for Labor Management for the Committee on Education and Labor.

Q. How long have you been so employed?
A. Approximately 242 years.
Q. What was your previous employment?
A. Student.

Q. In connection with the performance of your duties as counsel to the Committee on Education and Labor, were you required to make trips outside Metropolitan Washington area?

A. Yes, sir.
Q. How frequently did you make such trips during the 89th Congress?

A. The frequency varied: Sometimes I would make trips almost back-toback. Other times, I would be in the Washington office for long periods of time without making any trips.

Q. At whose direction or instruction did you make such trips during the 89th Congress?

A. At the direction of the Members of the Committee on Education and Labor and its Chairman.

Q. Would you describe briefly the nature of the duties you performed while traveling for the Committee?

A. Usually, I would go into a city with one or more investigators to interview people connected with the poverty program in that city and also to analyze the strengths and weaknesses of that program.

Q. Was it regular practice on your part to file a report of the results of your trip after making each trip?

À. Yes, it was customary to file a report at the conclusion of a trip.
Q. To whom were these reports directed?
A. To the Chairman of Education and Labor Committee.
Q. Did you travel by air in every case where you made a trip?
A. To the best of my recollection I always travel by air.

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