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few times, you have to pay for the ticket on the plane either with a credit card or with cash. Do you recall when you went up on the shuttle how you paid for your ticket?
The WITNESS. Cash.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: This exhibit that I just showed you indicates that it had been by credit card of Mr. Powell.
A. I have never used the credit card.
Q. You have never had his credit card in your possession; is that correct?
A. No; never.
Q. Nobody ever loaned it to you and said you go here and use this card?
A. No, sir.
Mr. NEDZI. Were you ever issued tickets to any place else by the committee? The WITNESS. No, sir.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. I hand you another exhibit which indicates that you were on the air shuttle between New York and Washington on October 15, 1965, under the name “Adam Powell and Emma Swann” and the transportation was obtained on the credit card of Adam C. Powell, and ask you if you were on that shuttle flight.
A. No, sir.
(The above-referred-to document was marked “Swann Exhibit 2' and received in evidence.)
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. I hand you a similar flight receipt for October 18, 1965, the air shuttle between Washington, D.C., and New York, on which the name of Adam Powell and Emma Swann appear and there is a notation here, “two fares, $36," the credit card of Adam C. Powell obtaining this ticket. I ask you if you made that trip with Mr. Powell.
A. No, sir.
Mr. WAGGONNER. Mr. O'Connor, these exhibits, that this credit card was used, are they personal credit cards or Education and Labor?
Mr. O'CONNOR. They are Education and Labor credit cards assigned to Adam C. Powell.
Mr. Hays. I think the record might show at this point that the signature of Mr. Powell appears to be a signature. The name of Mrs. Swann appears to have been printed in, which I understand is customary if someone is traveling with another person and using a credit card. The person to whom the card is issued must sign for both tickets and put in the right sopt the name of the person to whom it was issued.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Mrs. Swann, have you been aware that your name has been used in connection with air travel by staff or employees of Congressman Powell's office?
A. No, sir.
Q. Does the presence of your name on these exhibits come as a surprise to you today?
A. Yes, I did not know.
Q. You had no conversation or no indication from anyone that your name was used in numerous references here?
A. No, sir.
Q. Has there been any discussion among the girls in the office about Mr. Powell or Mr. Stone using the girls' names in connection with the travel of other parties?
A. I have not heard any discussion.
airline tickets for Mr. Powell?
Mr. Hays. Mr. Waggonner?
Mr. WAGGONNER. In the performance of your duties, were you ever given the responsibility at any time for arranging air travel for other members of the office staff or committee making reservations?
The WITNESS. I cannot recall making any reservations because as a receptionist, that, to my knowledge, has never been asked of me.
Mr. WAGGONNER. Is the sum and substance of what you have had to say in answer to Mr. O'Connor's question simply this: That you recall having made three trips from Washington to Miami and back, two in 1965 and one in January 1966? You were provided airline tickets on these occasions and you have made no other trips either on official business or for other purposes?
The WITNESS. Outside of the three trips I have made no other trips.
Mr. WAGGONNER. No further questions.
Mr. DICKINSON. Possibly this is just nit picking, and I do not mean to be. When you say no other trips, you mean neither your own personal trips or any other purpose?
The WITNESS. I have not been given any tickets outside of those three.
Mr. DICKINSON. I do not mean given tickets; I mean air travel.
Mr. Hays. I want you to appear in the record as being confused. She did testify that she had made trips to New York and had paid cash for them on her own.
The WITNESs. I thought you were talking about for the committee.
Mr. DICKINSON. I was trying to make sure I understand and we all understand each other.
The WITNESS. I am sorry.
Mr. Hays. I thought I understood you and I did not want you to have an answer in the record to a question which might have confused yoll.
The WITNESS. It did. I did not understand it that way.
Mr. DICKINSON. You say you have made three trips on committee tickets or tickets that were furnished to you through the Education and Labor Committee or Mr. Powell; you do not know who paid for them, I assume? These are the only trips you have made other than the cash trips that you made out of your own pocket?
The WITNESS. Y es, sir.
Mr. DICKINSON. Any other trips that show up with your name on a credit card someone made them other than you if they were in fact made, other than the three trips?
The WITNESS. I did not make them.
Mr. Dickinson. I know you have said you did not make this, but I was wondering if this might refresh your recollection. There is a trip from the District to Buffalo, to New York and back to the District, a sort of triangle there. You never made any such trip as that?
The WITNESS. No, never.
Mr. DICKINSON. One other thing. On July 30, you say you did not see Miss Lewis or Mrs. Himes on a trip, that this was probably one of the trips you took?
The WITNESS. That is right. I did not see them.
Mr. DICKINSON. I was thinking about the same trip because it was put down as a group. I believe you said you did see Mr. Clark and Mr. Stone but you did not see the two other names I mentioned.
The WITNESS. That is correct.
Mr. DICKINSON. Was this possibly the trip that you saw Chairman Powell on, too? Was he on this same trip?
The WITNESS. That is possible.
Mr. DICKINSON. Was Miss Huff with him on that occasion?
Mr. DICKINSON. Was she not on the plane? You did not see her? You do not know whether she was on the plane or not?
The WITNESS. No.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Were you aware that on August 5 Mr. Stone purchased an airline ticket for his wife in your name from the District of Columbia to Miami?
A. No, I was not.
Mr. DEVINE. Do you know whether you were on the Congressman's congressional payroll or some other payroll?
The WITNESS. I really do not know the payroll that I am on other than what I read in here. Mr. DEVINE. That is all.
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. On this trip that we talked about of July 30 that Mr. Powell was on and Mr. Stone and Mr. Clark were on, were their wives on that trip, Mr. Stone's wife and Mr. Clark's wife?
A. I do not know. I do not know whether they were there or not. I saw Mr. Stone and Mr. Clark because they came and talked with me.
Q. On any of the other flights that Mr. Stone might have been on, did you see his wife on the plane, also?
A. I never saw Mr. Stone but on that one flight to my knowledge.
Mr. NEDZI. In the course of your being a receptionist in the office, you have never seen her in the office?
The WITNESS. I have never seen her in the office when I was there, no.
Mr. NEDZI. I have no further questions.
Mr. Hays. Mrs. Swann, you are listed on the payroll as a receptionist, Subcommittee No. 7. Mr. Powell was chairman of the ad hoc subcommittee, that committee, or do you know?
The WITNESS. I am not positive whether I know he was chairman of the ad hoc subcommittee. I am trying to visualize the form in the office.
Mr. Hays. I am not trying to make anything out of this. The point I am going to make actually is that if he were chairman of it and you were receptionist, he might have run it out of his office instead of the committee. Is that possible?
The WITNESS. I did not understand that.
Mr. Hays. You are listed as receptionist to Subcommittee No. 7 and it is my understanding that Mr. Powell acted as chairman of that as well as chairman of the full committee; is that correct, do you know?
The WITNESS. I know Mr. Powell was chairman of one of the committees and I am trying to remember their letterhead. It could be the ad hoc subcommittee.
Mr. Hays. So if you acted as receptionist for that committee and he ran the committee out of his office, that is perfectly possible; is it not?
The WITNESS. They ran the committee out of his office?
Mr. Hays. If he were chairman of the subcommittee, he would not necessarily have that subcommittee physically located somewhere else, he might run it out of his office. I am chairman of a Foreign Affairs Subcommittee and I normally run it out of my office except when I come down here for hearings.
The WITNESS. You mean the people on the committee? Mr. Hays. No, I mean the business; letters might come to his office, people might come there to see him on committee business. Is that possible?
The WITNESS. Yes; people come into the office on business. I cannot differentiate what business they were on. I received all the people that came in.
Mr. DICKINSON. I have forgotten what your answer was, on three different occasions as a present or a gift, Mr. Powell gave you a ticket to go to Miami for a holiday. Is this in substance what happened?
The WITNESS. Yes; I was given the ticket to go to Miami.
Mr. DICKINSON. Was this something unusual or was this more or less standard office procedure in the office, that various ones in the office could on occasion be given a trip?
The WITNESS. I know of no one in the office.
understood or that was ascribed to this gift of a ticket to go to Miami for a holiday. What was the reason for this? I wouldn't just walk up and give one of my employees a ticket and not say anything.
The WITNESS. He gave me the ticket to go to Miami with the time off included and that is all.
Mr. DICKINSON. There was no purpose to it?