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of Adam Powell and Emma Swann appear and there is a notation here, "two fares, $36," the credit card of Adam C. Powell obtaining this ticket. I ask you if you made that trip with Mr. Powell.
A. No, sir.
AGGONNER. Mr. O'Connor, these exhibits, that this credit card was used, are they personal credit cards or Education and Labor?
Mr. O'CONNOR. They are Education and Labor credit cards assigned to Adam C. Powell.
Mr. Hays. I think the record might show at this point that the signature of Mr. Powell appears to be a signature. The name of Mrs. Swann appears to have been printed in, which I understand is customary if someone is traveling with another person and using a credit card. The person to whom the card is issued must sign for both tickets and put in the right sopt the name of the person to whom it was issued.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Mrs. Swann, have you been aware that your name has been used in connection with air travel by staff or employees of Congressman Powell's office?
A. No, sir.
Q. Does the presence of your name on these exhibits come as a surprise to you today?
A. Yes, I did not know.
Q. You had no conversation or no indication from anyone that your name was used in numerous references here?
A. No, sir.
Q. Has there been any discussion among the girls in the office about Mr. Powell or Mr. Stone using the girls' names in connection with the travel of other parties?
A. I have not heard any discussion.
Q. Have you ever been sent over to the Capitol airline office to pick up airline tickets for Mr. Powell?
A. No, I have not. Q. For Mrs. Dargans? A. No, I have not. Q. Mr. Derrickson? A. No, sir. Q. Or Mr. Stone? A. No, sir. Mr. O'CONNOR. I don't think I have any further questions, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Hays. Mr. Waggonner?
Mr. WAGGONNER. In the performance of your duties, were you ever given the responsibility at any time for arranging air travel for other members of the office staff or committee making reservations?
The WITNESS. I cannot recall making any reservations because as a receptionist, that, to my knowledge, has never been asked of me.
Mr. WagGONNER. Is the sum and substance of what you have had to say in answer to Mr. O'Connor's question simply this: That you recall having made three trips from Washington to Miami and back, two in 1965 and one in January 1966? You were provided airline tickets on these occasions and you have made no other trips either on official business or for other purposes?
The WITNESS. Outside of the three trips I have made no other trips.
Mr. WAGGONNER. No further questions.
Mr. DICKINSON. Possibly this is just nit picking, and I do not mean to be. When you say no other trips, you mean neither your own personal trips or any other purpose?
The WITNESS. I have not been given any tickets outside of those three.
Mr. Dickinson. I do not mean given tickets; I mean air travel.
Mr. Hays. I want you to appear in the record as being confused. She did testify that she had made trips to New York and had paid cash for them on her own.
The WITNESS. I thought you were talking about for the committee.
Mr. DICKINSON. I was trying to make sure I understand and we all understand each other.
The WITNESS. I am sorry.
Mr. Hays. I thought I understood you and I did not want you to have an answer in the record to a question which might have confused yoll.
The WITNESS. It did. I did not understand it that way.
Mr. DICKINSON. You say you have made three trips on committee tickets or tickets that were furnished to you through the Education and Labor Committee or Mr. Powell; you do not know who paid for them, I assume? These are the only trips you have made other than the cash trips that you made out of your own pocket?
The WITNESS. Yes, sir.
Mr. DICKINSON. Any other trips that show up with your name on a credit card someone made them other than you if they were in fact made, other than the three trips?
The WITNESS. I did not make them.
Mr. DICKINSON. I know you have said you did not make this, but I was wondering if this might refresh your recollection. There is a trip from the District to Buffalo, to New York and back to the District, a sort of triangle there. You never made any such trip as that?
The WITNESS. No, never.
Mr. DICKINSON. One other thing. On July 30, you say you did not see Miss Lewis or Vrs. Himes on a trip, that this was probably one of the trips you took?
The WITNESS. That is right. I did not see them.
Mr. DICKINSON. I was thinking about the same trip because it was put down as a group. I believe you said you did see Mr. Clark and Mr. Stone but you did not see the two other names I mentioned.
The WITNESS. That is correct.
Mr. DICKINSON. Was this possibly the trip that you saw Chairman Powell on, too? Was he on this same trip?
The WITNESS. That is possible.
Q. What trips did you take with Mr. Powell?
A. Well, I don't recall making any others with him on the plane.
you obtain your airline ticket?
A. They were made in 1965 and the months I cannot-I mean the date, I couldn't be specific. That is why I don't want to say. I really don't recall the exact date when I went.
Q. Now, when you went to Miami, Mr. Powell was on the same plane you were on? In January 1966?
A. Not in January. I know in January I was alone. I traveled alone.
Q. Was anyone else traveling with Mr. Powell? A. Well, I-no; not to my knowledge. Q. Did you see any other staff members or employees of his office with him at that time?
A. There was Mr. Powell, and on one trip I saw Mr. Stone and Mr. Clark but I couldn't say they were with Mr. Powell. They were on the plane.
Q. On one of the trips you took, Mr. Stone and Mr. Clark were on the same plane?
Q. In other words, there was Mr. Powell, Mr. Stone, Mr. Clark, and yourself on the plane?
Q. Were you traveling in the party with Mr. Powell, Mr. Stone, and Mr. Clark?
A. Well, I wouldn't say I was in the party with them. I was on the same plane, though.
Q. Well, were you on the same business that they were on, going to Miami?
A. I had no business. I was just going.
Mr. Hays. Did you do any work while you were down there for anybody, like dictation or anything like that? The WITNESS. No; I didn't.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. And for each of these trips you received you travel tickets from Mr. Powell or somebody else in the office?
A. Well, Mr. Powell didn't physically hand it to me. Q. Who physically handed them to you? A. Mr. Stone gave me the tickets. Q. Could you tell the committee how these trips came about, what discussion you had with Mr. Powell or somebody else in the office, how you were going to take these trips, and how they were going to provide you with the tickets?
A. There was no discussion. Mr. Powell gave me the tickets.
Q. Well, there had to be some arrangement as to your being away from the office.
A. Well, at that time he did give me a vacation time.
Q. Now, which time are we referring to there that you took this vacation? Which trip?
A. Well, each time that I was gone I was gone for a period of a few days.
Q. Was each trip a vacation for you and did you have a discussion with Mr. Powell before you went away?
A. He knew that I was going to remain away an amount of time; yes.
Q. Well, did you ask him for the travel ticket or did he voluntarily give you a travel ticket?
A. No; I did not ask for the tickets. They were given to me.
A. No; there was no discussion as to why. I was to use them. I mean I used them to go.
Q: Were there any other girls in the office that received tickets similar to this for vacations?
A. That I don't know.
Q. I have before me a summary of the travel for which no compensation was claimed by you. There is one trip in your name from Washington to Miami on April 30, 1965, returning Miami to Washington May 10, 1965. Can you tell us whether you took that trip? ?
A. I don't recall being in Miami in April. Q. This would be the end of April. It would be actually almost May 1. April 30 to May 10. That is 2 weeks almost.
A. And I don't recall every staying away for 2 weeks. I have been out of the office from 5 to 8 days and that is to my recollection the best I can
Q. On a cross-check of the travel made by Mr. Powell, it indicates that he was also on the flight returning Miami to the District of Columbia on May 10. Do you recall whether he was-you actually don't recall being down there for this 10-day period?
A. At that particular time, no.
Mr. HAYS. Could we just clear up one thing there, please? Are you saying now, Mrs. Swann, that you didn't make this trip in May at this particular time?
The WITNESS. I cannot pinpoint that date. That is what I am saying, Mr. Chairman. The date I am really foggy on. I know that I made three trips to Miami.
Mr. Hays. And no more than three.
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
A. As I said, to my knowledge, I don't recall staying out of the office over 8 days at the longest.
Q. You know Miss Lewis in the office?