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Q. If she had been on a plane with you, would you have known that she was on that plane?
A. Well, I don't know. I have never seen her on a plane. I
Q. The record here indicates that on the flight on July 1, Miss Lewis was on the same flight.
A. I don't ever recall to my knowledge being on a plane with Miss Lewis.
Q. Now, there is a flight on July 30, 1965, District of Columbia to Miami. On that flight are indicated Stone, Lewis, Clark, Powell, and Himes made the trip on the same plane that you were on. recall that group being on the plane?
A. I remember seeing Mr. Stone and Mr. Clark and I presume perhaps that is the flight.
Q. That is July 30, 1965. Is that about the date?
A. That is possible. I do know that I did go down but as I just said, I hesitate to say a date because I really have not got the dates straight.
Q. If Miss Lewis and Miss Hime were on that trip, you did not see them?
A. I did not see them; no. Q. So you believe that July 30, 1965, is the date for one of the trips? A. It could be; yes.
Q: On September 3, 1965, there is a trip from the District of Columbia to Miami on September 3 returning Miami to District of Columbia, September 12.
A. Mr. O'Connor, to the best of my knowledge, I made three trips and I really cannot-I will tell you one date that I am sure of and I guess because it was the first of the year. It is January, and that is the only date I am really positive about.
Q. Let's see if we can identify that here. There is a District of Columbia to Miami, January 1, 1966.
A. That I am sure of because, I guess, the beginning of the year.
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
A. The dates of the other two trips that I did make, I really cannot pinpoint them as to the time.
Q. Without going into a lengthy discourse as to the number of trips that are here and the like, there is a number of trips indicated as having been taken by you in which Mr. Clark, Mr. Powell, Mr. Stone, were on the trip. Other trips where Miss Lewis and Mr. Clark were on the trip with you, where Mr. Powell was on the trip with you by himself, where Mr. Stone made the trip with you, on numerous occasions.
I would like to hand you what we will identify as "Swann Exhibit 1,” which is an inflight air shuttle ticket between New York and Washington on June 28, 1965, in which the names of Adam Powell and Emma Swann appear.
(The above-referred-to document was marked "Swann Exhibit 1" and received in evidence.)
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. You say you cannot identify that as either your handwriting or handprinting? A. No; I do not recall
. That does not look like my handwriting and I do not remember printing it.
Mr. Hays. Do you remember making such a trip with Mr. Powell?
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
A. I guess I have never been over once or twice on the shuttle, as I can think. Not often.
Q. You made possibly two trips on the shuttle to New York?
A. But not on official business or committee business. They were personal trips that I made.
Q. The two trips would be since January 3, 1965?
Q. All of my questions are directed to the period January 3, 1965, to the present. In other words, just the 89th Congress?
A. Have I ever been to New York during that period of time; is that what you are asking me?
Q. Yes; on the air shuttle.
Mr. Hays. Mrs. Swann, this question is an effort to be helpful. If you go on the air shuttle, as I understand it, and I have only used it a few times, you have to pay for the ticket on the plane either with a credit card or with cash. Do you recall when you went up on the shuttle how you paid for your ticket?
The WITNESS. Cash.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: This exhibit that I just showed you indicates that it had been by credit card of Mr. Powell.
A. I have never used the credit card.
Q. You have never had his credit card in your possession; is that correct?
A. No; never.
Q. Nobody ever loaned it to you and said you go here and use this card?
A. No, sir.
Mr. NEDZI. Were you ever issued tickets to any place else by the committee? The WITNESS. No, sir.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. I hand you another exhibit which indicates that you were on the air shuttle between New York and Washington on October 15, 1965, under the name "Adam Powell and Emma Swann" and the transportation was obtained on the credit card of Adam C. Powell, and ask you if you were on that shuttle flight.
A. No, sir.
(The above-referred-to document was marked "Swann Exhibit 2' and received in evidence.)
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. I hand you a similar flight receipt for October 18, 1965, the air shuttle between Washington, D.C., and New York, on which the name of Adam Powell and Emma Swann appear and there is a notation here, "two fares, $36,” the credit card of Adam C. Powell obtaining this ticket. I ask you if you made that trip with Mr. Powell.
A. No, sir.
Mr. WAGGONNER. Mr. O'Connor, these exhibits, that this credit card was used, are they personal credit cards or Education and Labor?
Mr. O'CONNOR. They are Education and Labor credit cards assigned to Adam C. Powell.
Mr. Hays. I think the record might show at this point that the signature of Mr. Powell appears to be a signature. The name of Mrs. Swann appears to have been printed in, which I understand is customary if someone is traveling with another person and using a credit card. The person to whom the card is issued must sign for both tickets and put in the right sopt the name of the person to whom it was issued.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q: Mrs. Swann, have you been aware that your name has been used in connection with air travel by staff or employees of Congressman Powell's office?
A. No, sir.
Q. Does the presence of your name on these exhibits come as a surprise to you today?
A. Yes, I did not know.
Q. You had no conversation or no indication from anyone that your name was used in numerous references here?
A. No, sir.
Q. Has there been any discussion among the girls in the office about Mr. Powell or Mr. Stone using the girls' names in connection with the travel of other parties?
A. I have not heard any discussion.
Q. Have you ever been sent over to the Capitol airline office to pick up airline tickets for Mr. Powell?
A. No, I have not. Q. For Mrs. Dargans? A. No, I have not. Q. Mr. Derrickson? A. No, sir. Q. Or Mr. Stone? A. No, sir. Mr. O'Connor. I don't think I have any further questions, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Hays. Mr. Waggonner?
Mr. WagGONNER. In the performance of your duties, were you ever given the responsibility at any time for arranging air travel for other members of the office staff or committee making reservations?
The WITNESS. I cannot recall making any reservations because as a receptionist, that, to my knowledge, has never been asked of me.
Mr. WagGONNER. Is the sum and substance of what you have had to say in answer to Mr. O'Connor's question simply this: That you recall having made three trips from Washington to Miami and back, two in 1965 and one in January 1966? You were provided airline tickets on these occasions and you have made no other trips either on official business or for other purposes?
The WITNESS. Outside of the three trips I have made no other trips.
Mr. WAGGONNER. No further questions.
Mr. DICKINSON. Possibly this is just nit picking, and I do not mean to be. When you say no other trips, you mean neither your own personal trips or any other purpose?
The WITNESS. I have not been given any tickets outside of those three.
Mr. DICKINSON. I do not mean given tickets; I mean air travel. The WITNESS. No airline travel. Mr. DICKINSON. A total of three. Mr. Hays. I want you to appear in the record as being confused. She did testify that she had made trips to New York and had paid cash for them on her own.
The WITNESS. I thought you were talking about for the committee.
Mr. DICKINSON. I was trying to make sure I understand and we all understand each other.
The WITNESS. I am sorry.
Mr. Hays. I thought I understood you and I did not want you to have an answer in the record to a question which might have confused yoll.
The WITNESS. It did. I did not understand it that way.
Mr. DICKINSON. You say you have made three trips on committee tickets or tickets that were furnished to you through the Education and Labor Committee or Mr. Powell; you do not know who paid for them, I assume? These are the only trips you have made other than the cash trips that you made out of your own pocket?
The WITNESS. Yes, sir.
Mr. DICKINSON. Any other trips that show up with your name on a credit card someone made them other than you if they were in fact made, other than the three trips?
The WITNESS. I did not make them.
Mr. DICKINSON. I know you have said you did not make this, but I was wondering if this might refresh your recollection. There is a trip from the District to Buffalo, to New York and back to the District, a sort of triangle there. You never made any such trip as that?
The WITNESS. No, never.
did not see Miss Lewis or Mrs. Himes on a trip, that this was probably one of the trips you took?
The WITNESS. That is right. I did not see them.
Mr. Dickinson. I was thinking about the same trip because it was put down as a group.
I believe you
did see Mr. Clark and Mr. Stone but you did not see the two other names I mentioned.
The WITNESS. That is correct.
Mr. DICKINSON. Was this possibly the trip that you saw Chairman Powell on, too? Was he on this same trip?
The WITNESS. That is possible.