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Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to C. Sumner Stone, special assistant to the chairman?

A. We have accounted for 40 trips between Washington and New York City, mostly on weekends, and 10 trips between Washington and Miami, Fla., from 2 to 9 days' duration for which no subsistence or related expenses were claimed. Eastern Airlines has reported the nonuse or refund of five trips to and from Miami or New York City totaling about $215. Also, Stone was paid $85.44 reimbursement for mileage by private auto from Chicago to Washington on March 24 and 25, 1965, but did not go on the committee payroll until April 1, 1965.

Q. Did you make specific findings with respect to Emma T. Swann, receptionist?

A. We have accounted for 16 trips between Washington and New York City, mostly on weekends, and 13 trips between Washington and Miami, Fla., from 1 to 10 days' duration. Miss Swann also made trips to Buffalo, N.Y., Chicago, Ill., and Knoxville, Tenn., during the period. She made no claim for subsistence or other related expenses for any of the travel during the period.

Q. Did you make specific findings with respect to Alfredo Vidal, administrative assistant?

A. Mr. Vidal was on the payroll for the month of April 1965 only. He flew at committee expense from Washington to New York City and return March 3 and 4, 1965, and on March 5, 1965, from New York to San Juan, P.R., on a round-trip ticket purchased by credit card. Since the travel was performed before he was on the payroll and the airline has no record of use or refund for the return portion of his ticket from San Juan, Vidal may not have been in Washington during the month of April 1965.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to John E. Warren, assistant clerk?

A. We have accounted for six trips between Washington and New York City and six trips of from 1 to 5 days' duration between Washington and Miami, Fla. This is the only travel performed by Warren and no subsistence claims were made.

Q. Did you make specific findings with reference to Representative Adam C. Powell?

A. We have accounted for 37 trips between Washington and New York City, most of which were made on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, or Mondays, including weekend travel. We also have accounted for 16 trips between Washington or New York City and Miami for from 6 to 20 days' duration and 6 trips to San Juan, P.R., from 1 to 6 days' duration. No subsistence or related expenses were claimed for the above travel. In addition, Eastern Airline has reported nonuse or refund of eight trips amounting to $214.

Q. Now, the summaries which you have just testified to relating to each individual, could you tell the committee what type of analyses were used on which you based your foregoing findings?

A. Well, first we prepared spread sheets detailing all travel performed by the full committee and Subcommittee No. 7, and from these spread sheets we prepared summaries then by individual travelers, and from those we have accumulated the questionable items of travel which are shown on a separate summary spread sheet for each individual.

Q. Do you have a copy of the spread sheet which you could make available to each member and explain in detail how they are set up so that in future testimony when we are referring to spread sheetsand I might inform the members, for each witness we have a spread sheet that you can follow and use in connection with the interrogation.

Perhaps you could explain the way they are made up.
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Now, would you explain to the committee what these spread sheets are that you have handed out and how we follow them.

A. Yes. Now, the only travel that is put on these sheets is the questionable travel.

Q. In other words, there could be additional travel but it is accounted for?

A. That is right. We have considerable additional travel for many of these people but we were able to find that they either claimed per diem for the travel or that there was no irregularity in their voucher or something like that. So we have eliminated that from sheets.

Now, we categorized

Mr. NEDZI. Did you eliminate them also from your summary then in your testimony as to the total number of trips?

The WITNESS. Yes.
Mr. NEDZI. So that these numbers that we are getting-

The WITNESS. I think we qualified that as travel that no per diem had been claimed.

By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. In other words, the numbers you read out before are questionable items?

A. That is right. Mr. Hays. The nonquestionable items you did not include in your totals that you read to the committee just now?

The WITNESS. By individual, no, sir. Mr. Hays. In other words, to be more specific, if you read out the name of Miss "X" and you said she appeared to make 10 round trips between New York and Washington, and she didn't claim per diem for any of those, you read those ?

The WITNESS. Yes.
Mr. Hays. If they did make a trip and did not claim per diem
you didn't include it?
The WITNESS. That is right.

By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. That wasn't included ?
A. That is right.
Q. You may proceed, sir.

A. Now, we categorized these possible irregularities here, and you will notice at the top we have “Travel for which claim for subsistence was not made," and that usually is the longest item. We have a considerable listing under that. Now the—we have accounted here for each ticket. There are brackets along the columns here which would indicate that that was travel purchased on one ticket. And the date

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