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Q. Could you give us briefly your educational experience?
Q. In connection with your position as receptionist for Mr. Powell, do the duties of that office require you to perform travel?
A. No, it doesn't.
Q. Have you in fact performed any official travel since you have been employed in Congressman Powell's office?
A. No, 1yed in Cact perform
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Q. None whatsoever?
Q. The reason we have you here today, Mrs. Swann—we indicated this to you in the letter which was directed to you—that during the audit of the travel vouchers and the accounts of the Education and Labor Committee we have accounted for 16 trips between Washington and New York City, mostly on weekends, and 13 trips between Washington and Miami, Fla., of a duration from 1 to 10 days in which you are supposed to have made the travel.
We have also indicated that you made trips to Buffalo, N.Y.; Chicago; Knoxville, Tenn., during that period.
On these trips—which was strange to us—no claim for subsistence or taxi fares or airport transportation was made whatsoever. I take it from your testimony that you have made none of those trips?
Mr. Ellis. Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Ellis. Not an objection, but I think you will get to what you are doing if you permit the witness—she said she made no trips in connection with staff business. I think it is a little different.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. You say you have made none of these trips in connection with your duties in Mr. Powell's office?
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
Q. Now, being in the office there, were you aware that you name might have been used in connection with travel by others in the office?
A. No, I was not.
Q. Have you ever traveled on an airplane with Representative Powell?
A. Yes, I have been on an airplane with the Congressman.
Q. What trips did you take with Mr. Powell?
From Washington, D.C., to Miami?
To my knowledge he was on the plane.
Q. What other trips have you made where he was on the same plane?
A.. Well, I don't recall making any others with him on the plane.
No, I was not.
No, I had not.
I beg your pardon?
I shopped and I was sightseeing.
Did Mr. Powell give you the ticket each time?
A. No. In January I was alone and at no time was anybody with me. No.
Q. Nobody traveled with you?
A. They were made in 1965 and the months I cannot-I mean the date-I couldn't be specific. That is why I don't want to say. I really don't recall the exact date when I went.
Q. Now, when you went to Miami, Mr. Powell was on the same plane you were on? In January 1966?
A. Not in January. I know in January I was alone. I traveled alone.
Q. Was anyone else traveling with Mr. Powell?
Q. Did you see any other staff members or employees of his office with him at that time?
A. There was Mr. Powell, and on one trip I saw Mr. Stone and Mr. Clark but I couldn't say they were with Mr. Powell. They were on the plane.
Q. On one of the trips you took, Mr. Stone and Mr. Clark were on the same plane?
Q. In other words, there was Mr. Powell, Mr. Stone, Mr. Clark, and yourself on the plane?
Q. Were you traveling in the party with Mr. Powell, Mr. Stone, and Mr. Clark?
A. Well, I wouldn't say I was in the party with them. I was on the same plane, though.
Q. Well, were you on the same business that they were on, going to Miami?
A. I had no business. I was just going. Mr. Hays. Did you do any work while you were down there for anybody, like dictation or anything like that? The WITNESS. No; I didn't.
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
A. Well, Mr. Powell didn't physically hand it to me.
Q. Could you tell the committee how these trips came about, what discussion you had with Mr. Powell or somebody else in the office, how you were going to take these trips, and how they were going to provide you with the tickets?
A. There was no discussion. Mr. Powell gave me the tickets.
Q. Well, there had to be some arrangement as to your being away from the office.
A. Well, at that time he did give me a vacation time.
A. I had his permission to be away from the office. Let's put it that way.
Q. He provided you with travel tickets?
Q. Now, which time are we referring to there that you took this vacation? Which trip?
A.. Well, each time that I was gone I was gone for a period of a few days.
Q. Was each trip a vacation for you and did you have a discussion with Mr. Powell before you went away?
A.. He knew that I was going to remain away an amount of time; yes.
Q. Well, did you ask him for the travel ticket or did he voluntarily give you a travel ticket?
A. No; I did not ask for the tickets. They were given to me.
A. No; there was no discussion as to why. I was to use them. I mean I used them to go.
Q. Were there any other girls in the office that received tickets similar to this for vacations?
A. That I don't know.
Q. I have before me a summary of the travel for which no compensation was claimed by you. There is one trip in your name from Washington to Miami on April 30, 1965, returning Miami to Washington May 10, 1965. Can you tell us whether you took that trip?
A. I don't recall being in Miami in April.
Q. This would be the end of April. It would be actually almost May 1. April 30 to May 10. That is 2 weeks almost.
A. And I don't recall every staying away for 2 weeks. I have been out of the office from 5 to 8 days and that is to my recollection the best I can
Q. On a cross-check of the travel made by Mr. Powell, it indicates that he was also on the flight returning Miami to the District of Columbia on May 10. Do you recall whether he was—you actually don't recall being down there for this 10-day period?
A. At that particular time, no. Q. Let's go on to the next one then. Mr. Hays. Could we just clear up one thing there, please? Are you saying now, Mrs. Swann, that you didn't make this trip in May at this particular time?
The WITNESS. I cannot pinpoint that date. That is what I am saying, Mr. Chairman. The date I am really foggy on. I know that I made three trips to Miami. Mr. Hays. And no more than three. The WITNESS. No more.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. We have another trip, the District of Columbia to Miami on July 1, 1965, returning Miami to the District of Columbia, July 12, 1965. That would indicate a period of 12 days.
A. As I said, to my knowledge, I don't recall staying out of the office over 8 days at the longest.
Q. You know Miss Lewis in the office?
Q. If she had been on a plane with you, would you have known that she was on that plane?
A. Well, I don't know. I have never seen her on a plane. I mean
Q. The record here indicates that on the flight on July 1, Miss Lewis was on the same flight.
A. I don't ever recall to my knowledge being on a plane with Miss Lewis.
Q. Now, there is a flight on July 30, 1965, District of Columbia to Miami. On that flight are indicated Stone, Lewis, Clark, Powell, and Himes made the trip on the same plane that you were on. Do you recall that group being on the plane?
A. I remember seeing Mr. Stone and Mr. Clark and I presume perhaps that is the flight.
Q. That is July 30, 1965. Is that about the date?
A. That is possible. I do know that I did go down but as I just said, I hesitate to say a date because I really have not got the dates straight.
Q. If Miss Lewis and Miss Hime were on that trip, you did not see them?
A. I did not see them; no.
Q. So you believe that July 30, 1965, is the date for one of the trips?
A. It could be; yes.
Q. On September 3, 1965, there is a trip from the District of Columbia to Miami on September 3 returning Miami to District of Columbia, September 12.
A. Mr. O'Connor, to the best of my knowledge, I made three trips and I really cannot-I will tell you one date that I am sure of and I guess because it was the first of the year. It is January, and that is the only date I am really positive about.
Q. Let's see if we can identify that here. There is a District of Columbia to Miami, January 1, 1966.
A. That I am sure of because, I guess, the beginning of the year.
By Mr. O'CONNOR:
A. The dates of the other two trips that I did make, I really cannot pinpoint them as to the time.
Q. Without going into a lengthy discourse as to the number of trips that are here and the like, there is a number of trips indicated as having been taken by you in which Mr. Clark, Mr. Powell, Mr. Stone, were on the trip. Other trips where Miss Lewis and Mr. Clark were on the trip with you, where Mr. Powell was on the trip with you by himself, where Mr. Stone made the trip with you, on numerous occasions.
I would like to hand you what we will identify as "Swann Exhibit 1,” which is an inflight air shuttle ticket between New York and Washington on June 28, 1965, in which the names of Adam Powell and Emma Swann appear.
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