Mr. HAYS. How many would you say you personally typed?
The WITNESS. I guess around 200.

Q. And you got there about 9 o'clock and typed until midnight? A. That is right.

Q. And you came back the next day?

A. That is right.

Q. Odell Clark and who else?

A. Goldie Baldwin and Charles Jackson.

Mr. O'CONNOR. I have no further questions.

Mr. HAYS. Mr. Waggonner?

Mr. WAGGONNER. You say there was a message calling a meeting at a specified time and place. Was the card signed by anybody? Was there any indication in the message as to who was sending the card making an announcement of the meeting?

The WITNESS. The chairman's signature was on the cards.

Mr. WAGGONNER. Did he sign it as chairman of the House Committee on Education and Labor?

The WITNESS. No; he just signed his name, "Adam C. Powell." Mr. WAGGONNER. That is all, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. HAYS. Mr. Nedzi?

Mr. NEDZI. Who is Goldie Baldwin?

The WITNESS. She has been with the committee for about 5 years. She is a secretary with the full committee.

Mr. NEDZI. Mr. Jackson?

The WITNESS. I do not know. I think he was a summer intern. He was from New York.

Mr. NEDZI. Did they drive back with you the following day?
The WITNESS. Yes; they did.

Mr. NEDZI. And Mr. Clark, also?

The WITNESS. No; Mr. Clark did not come back with us. I did not know what his business was, but he did not come back with me. Mr. NEDZI. Did they type?

The WITNESS. Charles Jackson and Goldie Baldwin did.

Mr. NEDZI. I have no further questions.

Mr. HAYS. Are there any further questions? If not, thank you very much, Mrs. Ellison. You are excused and are excused from the subpena.

(Witness excused.)

Mr. HAYS. Mr. Steinhauer, will you stand and be sworn?
Whereupon,

JAMES STEINHAUER, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

Mr. HAYS. Will you state for the record your full name, Mr. Steinhauer?

The WITNESS. James Steinhauer.

Mr. HAYS. And your tile?

The WITNESS. Regional manager, Western Union, Washington, D.C.

Mr. HAYS. Your address, please?
The WITNESS. My home address?

Mr. HAYS. Yes.

The WITNESS. 8105 Ashford Court, Springfield, Va.

By Mr. TAYLER:

Q. Mr. Steinhauer, are you appearing here today pursuant to a subpena served upon Western Union to produce its records relating to telegraphic service furnished the minority office of the House Education and Labor Committee for the period ending September 30, 1965? A. I am.

Q. Did the subpena specify any particular telegraphic message? A. No.

Q. I do not have a copy of the subpena here.

A. Not that I recall, sir.

Q. Did you bring with you the records that are specified in the subpena?

A. I brought the records that are available.

Q. Would you read what the subpena said and described as the records that are called for?

A. [Reading:]

Including copies of all telegraphic messages or other services represented by this charge.

Q. What precedes that?

A. Pardon me, maybe I should read the entire thing:

And bring with you all records of the Western Union relating to a charge of $4,136.85 as shown by Western Union bill for the period ending September 1965, directed to the Minority House of Representatives Education and Labor Committee, including copy of all telegraphic messages or other services represented by this charge.

Q. Very well. Did you bring whatever records you have in your files?

A. Yes; I did.

Q. Did you find in your files a copy of the telegraphic message that pertains to that subpena?

A. Yes; I did.

Mr. TAYLER. May this be marked "Steinhauer Exhibit No. 12"? WASHINGTON, D.C., July 21, 1965.

Hon. PAUL C. JONES

House of Representatives, Washington, D.C.:

Please check the Congressional Record and read carefully the remarks of the Honorable Al Quie. He was able finally to get a list of the people Sargent Shriver has hired as consultants and advisers to him in connection with the so-called antipoverty program. Suggest you review the list in the Congressional Record very carefully. You may find a constituent or a newspaper friend or someone who has been placed in a position to build his own political machine to run against you. If you have further questions regarding the 400 advisers and consultants, some of whom are being paid more than you, please call me at 5231. Furthermore suggest you be on the floor tomorrow to hear my explanation and to listen to our colleague Congressman Buchanan discuss his amendment in connection with the church-state issue. Thank you.

CONGRESSMAN AYRES.

(The above-referred-to document was marked "Steinhauer Exhibit 1" and received in evidence.)

Mr. JONES. Mr. Chairman, due to the brevity of the message, I wonder if it just could not be read so that the committee would have the opportunity to know the subject that we are discussing.

Mr. Hays. Without objection, the counsel will read the message. Mr. TAYLER. On a Western Union telegram form, dated 1965, July 21, 12:14 a.m., this particular copy is addressed to Hon. Paul C. Jones personal delivery only, House of Representatives, Washington, D.C.:

Please check the Congressional Record and read carefully the remarks of the Honorable Al Quie. He was able finally to get a list of the people Sergeant Shriver has hired as consultants and advisers to him in connection with the so-called AntiPoverty Program. Suggest you review the list in the Congressional Record very carefully. You may find a constitutent or a newspaper friend or someone who has been placed in a position to build his own political machine to run against you. If you have further questions regarding the 400 advisers and consultants, some of whom are being paid more than you, please call me at 5231. Furthermore, suggests you be on the Floor tomorrow to hear my explanation and to listen to our colleague, Congressman Buchanan discuss his amendment in connection with the church-state issue. Thank you. Congressman Ayre.

By Mr. TAYLER:

Q. Now, sir, do you have with you any record that indicates any other persons to whom that message was sent, if any?

A. No, I do not.

Q. Do you know, however, how many copies of that message were sent?

A. It is my understanding that the message was sent to each Member of the House, 435 Members.

Q. Did there come a time when Western Union submitted a bill to the Congress for the sending of that telegram, which is Steinhauer exhibit No. 1?

A. Yes. The bill was submitted originally in July of 1965.

Q. Do you have a copy of that bill with you?

A. No; I do not.

Q. I am going to show you a bill on Western Union billing form addressed to the Minority, House of Representatives, Education and Labor Committee, period ended September 1965. Under charges, it simply bears the figures 4,136.85. I ask you if you can identify that as the bill for the telegram that you just produced and identified? A. Yes, sir, I have a copy of this bill.

Q. You have a copy of that bill in your file?

A. Yes; I have.

Q. How do you relate that particular bill with the telegram that you have identified?

A. By taking the message itself and applying the telegram charges which were in effect at that time, multiplying the result by 435 you arrive at the figure of $4,136.85.

Q. There is not any other way you can relate the bill to the message, say, by some code number or symbol?

A. No, sir; there is not.

Q. Could you be a little more explicit in how you made the computation? For example, have you examined the telegraphic message at my request and computed how much it would cost to send that at the time it was sent, 435 copies, locally?

A. That is correct.

Q. What was the charge per telegram?

A. $9.51 per message.

Q. Then you multiplied that $9.51 by 435 and you arrived at the figure on the bill?

A. That is correct.

Mr. TAYLER. May that be marked "Steinhauer Exhibit No. 2," just the bill portion. It is attached to a voucher.

(The above referred to document was marked "Steinhauer Exhibit 2" and received in evidence.)

By Mr. TAYLER:

Q. How did it come about that the bill for that telegram, which was sent to 435 Members of Congress, was billed to the Education and Labor Committee of the House.

A. I understand from my predecessor that the bill was originally rendered in July to Congressman Ayres and at his request it was rerendered to the House of Representatives, Education and Labor Committee, in the month of September 1965.

Q. Are you saying that the original billing for this amount of $4,136.85 was made to Congressman Ayres personally?

A. Yes, sir.

Q. And that thereafter as a result of a complaint made by the Congressman the billing was changed to the Education and Labor Committee?

A. I do not think that I would phrase it in that manner.

Q. You phrase it in your own words, sir. I do not mean to put words in your mouth, certainly.

A. What happened is that we, of course, rendered the bill in the normal manner, which was to the Representative personally or to his personal congressional account. At his request, he requested us to rerender the bill to the House of Representatives Education and Labor Committee.

Q. Do you know whether the request from the Congressman to change the billing was made in writing or was it oral?

A. As I understand it from my people who handled this, it was made orally to our collection and credits manager.

Q. His name was Griggs?

A. No; the fellow who handled this was Bill Kaiser.

Q. How do you spell his name?

Q. How did you learn this, from Mr. Kaiser?

A. Yes.

Q. Do you know who it was that made the request for the change in the billing to Mr. Kaiser? Was it Mr. Ayres himself, or someone on his staff?

A. If my recollection is correct, he told me it was either a Miss or Mrs. Baker of his staff.

Q. As a result of the requested change of the billing, was the billing changed?

A. Yes; it was.

Q. Did whoever handle the transaction at the time indicate on any of your records that an adjustment had been made in the billing? A. Yes, sir. They did this on our customer's ledger sheet. You see, we do not normally carry an account for them, for the House of Representatives Education and Labor Committee, so this was penned in and here you see what appears to be an "Adu," but it should be an "Adj," indicating it covers an adjustment.

Q. That "Adu" which you say should be "Adj" appears in the second column of the ledger sheet, the column being headed "Amount of discount No. 2."

A. That is correct.

Q. Go ahead and describe what that initial represents on your records.