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office forgotten her tell you whace apparently,
A. Yes. Well, no, it doesn't. But this—this must have been paid for by me, but I won't say for sure, because this clears up a mystery, in any case, because this was my precise schedule.
Q. That was your precise schedule?
The WITNESS. Oh, yes, I do remember it now; yes.
A. Let me collect it in my mind, because I think I can piece this out.
Q. Maybe it would help you if we said that Congresswoman Mink and Congressman
A. Yes, this is exactly what happened.
A. Yes. I will tell you who made these purchases. Juanita-I have forgotten her last name-in Congressman Augustus Hawkins' office, made these purchases for the three of us; and it was under the special arrangements which we were under—I don't remember why we bought it this way. Perhaps it was because we were getting it for these other Congressmen. And I don't recall why we decided to do this, but I do remember it did happen, that we purchased the tickets through an agency. Now, I don't remember where the money came from. Mr. NEDZI. It could have been charged? The WITNESS. Pardon? Mr. NEDZI. It could have been charged.
The WITNESS. But I do remember now. Juanita will tell you about this
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Do you recall writing the check for that amount of money among your personal funds?
A. I don't remember this. Mr. Hays. Would it be possible—it may be common practice—that this was charged
The WITNESS. This one; no. Mr. Hays. Could it have been possible that when you got the check for that amount, you endorsed it over to this travel agency?
The WITNESS. Well, I don't remember that. Mr. Hays. Well, apparently Mrs. Mink and Mr. Hawkins were taken care of in exactly the same way.
The WITNESS. Yes, that is right. Mr. Hays. Now, I imagine the travel agency got paid one way or another. Mr. Nedzi. It might have been paid directly to them.
The WITNESS. But I will tell you who did all the arrangements for this. Since I was the staffman for these trips on the west coast, I was told to-because we had a great deal to do with the Elementary and Secondary Education Act on the floor—to get Juanita in Congress
man Augustus Hawkins' office to make these arrangements. She will remember this, because she is the one who selected this agency, you see.
And as to how it was paid for, I don't remember. She may, you see. Mr. O'CONNOR. Yes.
The W17 NESS. But if I had this sort of thing in my files I would have remembered it, but I didn't.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Well, is there any question in your mind about being reimbursed twice for this; in other words, somebody else paying for the ticket and you making claim for the $355?
A. I couldn't have been reimbursed twice, no.
A. Oh, I see. No, I wouldn't have been. And I would have remembered receiving that large an amount of money.
Mr. O'CONNOR. Yes. I have no further questions.
Mr. DICKINSON. Well, on this one item-you think it is likely that through Congressman Hawkins' office that all three of these were charged and you told them that you would put in a voucher and when the check came to you, you just endorsed it to the airline travel agency and you would have no record of it?
The WITNESS. I don't remember the transaction, but I do remember this much: that she arranged everything. I may have signed it but I don't remember explicitly doing so. However, if I did, that agency will most likely have the check in their files.
Mr. DICKINSON. Let me suggest this: Mrs. Mink and Mr. Hawkins are both on your Education and Labor Committee?
The WITNESS. Yes, sir, they were. They are. Mr. DICKINSON. Would you see if you can find out, go back through your records or—
The WITNESS. I wouldn't have them in my records.
The WITNESS. My records aren't that well kept. I never dreamed this thing would come about. But they will be well kept in the future.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. If you were paid by personal check you would have your canceled check, would you not?
A. I would have my canceled check, yes.
Q. Would you check your canceled checks for that period. What is the date of the travel? Mr. GRAY. March 26 through 31. The WITNESS. Yes.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. And if you do have a canceled check, if you would let us know so we could get a Xeroxed copy of it put in the record to clear this item.
A. All right.
Mr. Hays. Could it be possible, would this refresh your memory any, Mr. Anderson: Could it have been possible that this voucher was made out and the checks were collected by the committee and they
asked you to come in and endorse it and then they sent it down to the agency?
The WITNESS. I don't remember doing this, no. But I do remember this much: That after doing things this way, it was a very awkward transaction. We just decided not to do it that way again, and from then on I had charge of travel arrangements for much of the charges in the sense that I designated the cities for the poverty investigations and also discussed with the chief clerk the types of arrangements. That was to October 18, 1965. Then we didn't-we decided never to do it that way again. I remembered that instance because that was the wrong way to do it.
By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. All of your other travel was obtained apparently through credit cards of the committee?
A. Of the chief clerk, that is right. Q. And this is an unusual transaction? A. It was an unusual transaction. Q. That is the reason we are inquiring into it. Mr. O'CONNOR. Mr. Chairman, may these be admitted as exhibits into the record? (See Anderson Exhibit 2). Mr. Hays. Without objection. Did you have a question? Mr. WAGGONNER. Yes.
Earlier you made reference, Mr. Anderson, to a statement by Mr. O'Connor, counsel for this committee, that his statement clarified a mystery. What did you have reference to?
The WITNESS. Well, the primary mystery was the 14 trips. This is all I meani Fourteen trips without claiming subsistence, I am told now, some of which were made without claiming subsistence. And also this was a mystery, too, this particular voucher in which I was paid $355, apparently signed for. But now it is clear to, that once I saw the GO agency voucher, I realized what had happened. I remembered how that transaction may have-Juanita-I forgot her last name-made the purchases of this.
I don't know how, but she made the purchases for Congresswoman Mink, Congressman Hawkins, and myself.
Mr. WAGGONNER. Is this, then, the awkwardness and methods to which you have alluded?
The WITNESS. No. I meant that to go through an agency—I remember it was just a troublesome-the whole thing was troublesome. There was—I mean this particular, the whole trip was troublesome arranging, because we had to delay it several times. That meant that we had to call the agency. And it was because the Elementary and Secondary Education Act was on the floor; we had to call the agency, the agency was angry because it had to change the reservations for the hotels, change the tickets again and again. And so we just decided that that was the wrong way to do it.
Mr. WAGGONNER. I have no further questions.
Mr. O'CONNOR. You will furnish that canceled check if you find it
The WITNESS. I will look through my records and I will tell you i I can find it. Mr. Hays. That is all. (Witness excused.) Mr. Hays. Off the record. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. Hays. Is there any other business before we adjourn for lunch?
Mr. Dick)NSON. Before we adjourn, what do you have planned for this afternoon?
(Discussion off the record.)
(Whereupon, at 12:34 p.m., the committee adjourned, to reconvene at 2 p.m., the same day.)
Mr. Hays. Rise and be sworn.
GEORGE G. GRAYSON, having been duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows: Mr. Hays. Would you state your name? The WITNESS. George G. Grayson. Mr. Hays. Your address? The WITNESS. 6100 Southwest 29th Street, Miami, Fla. Mr. Hays. Your title? The WITNESS. Director of revenue accounting, Eastern Airlines. Mr. Hays. Would you state the name of your counsel?
Mr. RUSSELL. Mr. Chairman, I am Harold L. Russell, of Atlanta, Ga. Our firm is general counsel for Eastern.