By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. I show you three tickets in the name of C. Lewis and three tickets in the name of O. Clark purchased the same date with your travel credit card and ask you if those are the tickets which you purchased for Miss Huff and Mr. Powell? A. I don't know. I just don't remember. Q. They were purchased on August 5, as you can see the date there. A. Yes. Q. Did you purchase any other tickets on August 5? A. I don't recall. I don't know. I don't remember whether I did or not. What tickets I did Q. You are certain that on August 5 A. No; I am not certain. If my card was used, I must have purchased them or given somebody else the card to purchase the tickets. Q. Is there anything else you might need to refresh your recollection? A. If I see things, they might help me. Q. What discussions did you have with Mr. Powell and Miss Huff, if any, prior ot your trip to Miami to meet them? Did you arrange to meet them in Miami or something? A. Yes. Well, now-let's see. Yes-I don't know if we went down there or not. We went down after and arranged to meet them—not in Miami. Meet them in Bimini on vacation. Q. No previous arrangement to meet them in Miami and go to Bimini with them? A. No. Q. Where did you stay at Bimini? A. At Brown's Hotel. Q. How long were you there? A. Three or four days. Q. Do you have the dates? A. No, I don't. It was about August 9, somewhere around there; around that time. Q. Can you tell us the purpose of the trip? A. Part business, part vacation. Q. What was the business nature? A. The business was an investigation of the site of picketing, construction trades discrimination in Miami, Fla. Q. This was an official trip? A. Yes; and for an investigation of the neighborhood legal services program. Q. Did you make that investigation in Miami? A. Yes. Q. Do you have a report of that investigation? A. I have it here. It was filed with the committee. Q. You did file a report on it? A. Yes, sir; I have two of them. Here is one on the migrants and the other on the picketing investigation. Q. Did you claim any per diem in connection with the official travel? A. I can't remember if I did or not. I don't know if I did on that trip or not. I can't remember. Q. But your presence in Miami was on official business? A. Yes, sir. Q. And your wife accompanied you and was not an employee? A. No; she was not an employee on the staff. Q. We have a substantial number of trips between here and New York in connection with travel allegedly performed by you in which Miss Swann was on the same trip. Have you ever traveled with Miss Swann on any trip whatsoever? A. No. A couple of trips I went with her where she Q. I beg your pardon? A. A trip she took to New York and took some materials up, but not as a rule, no. There wasn't any consistent travel. Q. If I said that you took nine trips with Miss Swann A. No. Q. You were not on a trip to Miami with Miss Swann in July of 1965? A. No. Q. Nor were you in Miami with Miss Swann in September of 1965 ? A. I don't think I was. Q. Well, I am certain A. I wasn't with-no. I mean I Q. A trip taking place on the same time, on the same plane, the same flight? A. No. Q. If she was on an airplane you were on, you would know it? A. Yes. Q. Particularly if it was in connection with committee business? A. That is right. Q. What explanation do you have to offer for the name of Swann being on a ticket which is on the same flight with you in these nine instances? A. The explanation is that I don't think I took those trips. Q. You don't think you took those trips? A. No. Those are to Miami and New York? Q. They are District of Columbia to New York; New York to District of Columbia; Miami to District of Columbia to Miami; District of Columbia to Miami; Miami to District of Columbia; District of Columbia to Miami; New York to District of Columbia; District of Columbia to New York. A. No. Q. Definitely? A. Yes, definitely. Q. Actually, Mr. Stone, what the committee would like to determine you being as close to Mr. Powell as you are is the practice in his office, and you at his direction, in obtaining tickets for persons not employed on the staff for use in connection with travel-now, can you tell us in how many instances this occurred to your knowledge? A. I don't know of any instances where that occurred. In other words, the tickets purchased with the staff members' name that was given to somebody else? Q. Yes. A. I don't know of any instance of that. Q. Well, your wife was one. A. Oh, yes, yes. The chairman reimbursed the committee for that though. Q. Did the chairman reimburse the committee? A. Oh, yes. A check for almost $1,000. You should have that. That should be a matter of record. Q. We found the committee was reimbursed to the extent of $541A. When was that, sir? Q. On October 28. A. This year? Q. Yes. A. It would be more than that. It was almost $900. Q. One check of $541. A. The amount he authorized for reimbursement was almost $900. Mr. O'CONNOR. We sent the check Mrs. Dargans left over to be Xeroxed and it is not back yet, I believe. What do you have there, Mr. Gray? By Mr. O'CONNOR: Q. Here is a note that you sent to Mrs. Dargans in connection with the reimbursement of the committee for certain expenses? A. That it right. Q. What items are covered on that that you have checked off there? 5? A. The personal trips. Q. Yes, I know, but aren't they the ones you purchased on August A. Yes, sir. It is $900. Q. $900, but let's get this August 5 trip squared away. There are two items of $112.50? A. Where are you now? Yes; I know my trip and my wife's trip he paid for and he paid for his trip. Q. Your trip and your wife's trip was paid for and a trip he and Miss Huff took were paid for? A. That is right. Q. I just understood you to say that you were down there on official business. A. I managed to combine some business-this was a continuum of an investigation I had been conducting. I just managed to do some work while I was down there. Q. Why would it be necessary to reimburse that? A. Because I don't think it was we had agreed I would go on vacation with him but I wanted to get some of this work finished while I was down there. Q. If it was official work of the committee, it would be a proper charge to the committee? A. That is right. Q. Why give up $112.50? A. You will have to ask the chairman that, sir. Q. Did the chairman actually mark up those vouchers? A. No, I did. Q. You are the one who picked those out; is that correct? |